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The article was '''delisted''' by [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] via [[User:FACBot|FACBot]] ([[User talk:FACBot|talk]]) 4:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC) [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=1075958481&diff=1076631141&title=Wikipedia%3AFeatured_article_review%2FJabba_the_Hutt%2Farchive1]. |
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===[[Jabba the Hutt]]=== |
===[[Jabba the Hutt]]=== |
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{{Featured article tools|1=Jabba the Hutt}}</noinclude> |
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:<small>''Notified: [[User talk:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]], [[User talk:TAnthony|TAnthony]], [[User talk:UpdateNerd|UpdateNerd]], [[User talk:David Fuchs|David Fuchs]], [[User talk:Treybien|Treybien]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film|WikiProject Film]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Star Wars|WikiProject Star Wars]], [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fictional characters|WikiProject Fictional characters]], {{dif|1010038915|diff for talk page notification 2021-03-03}}''</small> |
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:::::::::{{ping|Chompy Ace}} and {{ping|The helper5667}} what do you gys think of the article now? Anything that jumps out to you that I can fix? ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 03:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC) |
:::::::::{{ping|Chompy Ace}} and {{ping|The helper5667}} what do you gys think of the article now? Anything that jumps out to you that I can fix? ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 03:22, 8 February 2022 (UTC) |
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* Further improvements have either slowed down or stopped for at least a week or two. Also, one of editors whom Kaleeb18 pinged hasn't responded yet. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 02:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC) |
* Further improvements have either slowed down or stopped for at least a week or two. Also, one of editors whom Kaleeb18 pinged hasn't responded yet. [[User:George Ho|George Ho]] ([[User talk:George Ho|talk]]) 02:51, 27 February 2022 (UTC) |
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* Delist, sample, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jabba_the_Hutt&oldid=1072851134#Potential_film_project five-year-old] speculative content, and no one is working on the issues raised. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC) |
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*:'''Done''' and y’all aren’t telling me what the problems really are. ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 13:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC) |
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*::Hey {{ping|SandyGeorgia}} I think I might have fixed the issues now. Do you still see things I can fix. ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 16:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
*::Hey {{ping|SandyGeorgia}} I think I might have fixed the issues now. Do you still see things I can fix. ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 16:18, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*:::I will catch once others have finished their reviews; sorry to be running behind. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 16:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
*:::I will catch once others have finished their reviews; sorry to be running behind. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 16:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC) |
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* https://carnegiemuseumnaturalhistory.tumblr.com/post/184620311591/is-jabba-the-hutt-a-slug is flagged by {{u|Headbomb}} as unreliable (I don't know where to figure out why, but it appears to be a museum employee blogging). If lots of sources think Jabba the Hutt is a slug, surely a better source can be found. If not, the information may be [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
* https://carnegiemuseumnaturalhistory.tumblr.com/post/184620311591/is-jabba-the-hutt-a-slug is flagged by {{u|Headbomb}} as unreliable (I don't know where to figure out why, but it appears to be a museum employee blogging). If lots of sources think Jabba the Hutt is a slug, surely a better source can be found. If not, the information may be [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*:It's tumblr. Social media is as reliable as the account owner.  <span style="font-variant:small-caps; whitespace:nowrap;">[[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {[[User talk:Headbomb|t]] · [[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|c]] · [[WP:PHYS|p]] · [[WP:WBOOKS|b]]}</span> 00:36, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*: In fact, [https://www.starwars.com/databank/jabba-the-hutt here is Lucas Films] on slug, which is cited in the body of the article, so a) no need to cite it in the lead at all, b) it is not controversial, and c) no need to source to a marginal blog. That said the entire first para of the lead needs to be rewritten anyway. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
*: In fact, [https://www.starwars.com/databank/jabba-the-hutt here is Lucas Films] on slug, which is cited in the body of the article, so a) no need to cite it in the lead at all, b) it is not controversial, and c) no need to source to a marginal blog. That said the entire first para of the lead needs to be rewritten anyway. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:00, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
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* None of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jabba_the_Hutt&oldid=1075273985#Works_cited these are cited in the article]; unclear why they are there. |
* <s>None of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jabba_the_Hutt&oldid=1075273985#Works_cited these are cited in the article]; unclear why they are there.</s> |
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*: What was "Further reading" in the FA version, was incorrectly moved to "Works cited", and have now been deleted entirely. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:31, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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* Why is [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jabba_Desilijic_Tiure this in External links]? |
* Why is [https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jabba_Desilijic_Tiure this in External links]? |
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* What makes https://www.consumerfreedom.com/about/ a reliable source, and even if it is, it cannot be used to cite the sweeping statements that are sourced to it (sample: Outside literature, the character's name has become an insulting term of disparagement. To say that someone "looks like Jabba the Hutt" is commonly understood as a slur to impugn that person's weight or appearance.) |
* What makes https://www.consumerfreedom.com/about/ a reliable source, and even if it is, it cannot be used to cite the sweeping statements that are sourced to it (sample: Outside literature, the character's name has become an insulting term of disparagement. To say that someone "looks like Jabba the Hutt" is commonly understood as a slur to impugn that person's weight or appearance.) |
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* The lead is disorganized ... the first paragraph tells us who developed a language, which is surely not one of the most important things to know here. This is found in the lead: |
* The lead is disorganized ... the first paragraph tells us who developed a language, which is surely not one of the most important things to know here. This is found in the lead: |
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** The character has incorporated prominently into Star Wars merchandising beginning with the marketing campaign corresponding with the theatrical release of Return of the Jedi. |
** The character has incorporated prominently into Star Wars merchandising beginning with the marketing campaign corresponding with the theatrical release of Return of the Jedi. |
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I remain at Delist, as stated above; edits are being made but the article is not heading towards FA status. This was not even a comprehensive look; the glaring deficiencies here stand out on a cursory look; this article will be better served if delisted, with a return to FAC if it is rewritten. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
I '''remain at Delist''', as stated above; edits are being made but the article is not heading towards FA status. This was not even a comprehensive look; the glaring deficiencies here stand out on a cursory look; this article will be better served if delisted, with a return to FAC if it is rewritten. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:14, 4 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|SandyGeorgia}} I have done all that you stated (I think). I didnt remove Wookiepedia from external links as that is pretty normal for a star wars character. See [[The Mandalorian (character)|The Mandalorian]], [[Luke Skywalker]], and [[Han Solo]] as references. |
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:: You [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jabba_the_Hutt&type=revision&diff=1075319847&oldid=1075273985 addressed almost nothing that I mentioned], and even if you had, I provided only samples of the prose issues. A top-to-bottom copyedit is needed; the prose is not at FA standards. There is no need to ping me again, until/unless an independent copyeditor, experienced with FA standards, has been through, and reliability of sources has been checked. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:27, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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:: Here is a sample of prose from the first paragraph in the lead: |
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::* . He was originally supposed to first appear in Star Wars (1977) as a stop motion character with Declan Mulholland as his stand-in ... |
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:: We can't get there from here ... this FAR needs to be shut down. [[User:SandyGeorgia|'''Sandy'''<span style="color: green;">Georgia</span>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 03:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*The article is significantly improved from where it was when I dropped off my comments on the talk page (and I want to credit [[User:Kaleeb18|Kaleeb18]] for the work they have done), but I agree with Sandy above it's still significantly distant from modern FA standards for an article of this type. The main issue is that the real-world reception and impact seems incredibly thin. A quick search on my local library's database and scholar.google.com picks up a lot of potential coverage for the thematic use of the character, but I feel like there's also got to be more general reception (perhaps going back to look at contemporary reviews so see how the character was received at the time?) [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 11:45, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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*:Thanks {{U|David Fuchs}}. Maybe I’ll try to work on this article some more later, when I become a more experienced editor. I just hate to see an article like this get delisted because we all know it’s likely this article wont be touched much for a while. ― [[User:Kaleeb18|<b style="background:#000;color:#f07b3a;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Kaleeb18</b>]][[User talk:Kaleeb18|<sup>Talk</sup>]]<sub style="position:relative;right:20q;margin-right:-15px;">Caleb</sub> 13:03, 5 March 2022 (UTC) |
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**Sometimes that's just the best outcome; going through another FAC in the future will make a better article. Whether or not it retains featured quality doesn't really relate much to how much attention it gets; most Wikipedia articles are just one or two dedicated editors from being substantially better, and your efforts have still made this article improved over the one viewers were reading a few months ago, so I don't think it's been a net negative. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 15:46, 8 March 2022 (UTC) |
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** '''Delist''' for now, per David Fuchs; hopefully this one will be back at FAC some day. [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 15:52, 8 March 2022 (UTC) |
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{{FARClosed|delisted}} [[User:Nikkimaria|Nikkimaria]] ([[User talk:Nikkimaria|talk]]) 04:01, 12 March 2022 (UTC) |
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