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Merge WikiProjects back into this project

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion was to merge to regional taskforces. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 03:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

There are a number of cricket-related WikiProjects that I believe would be best suited as taskforces of this project, which would enable collaboration whilst also understanding that articles on these tournaments need to follow guidelines of WP:CRIC. This was previously mentioned in 2021: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 90#Creation of task forces. Would be good to get a firm consensus on whether or not to implement this. These breakaway WikiProjects have caused numerous problems over the years including:

Frequent MOS:COLOR violations on articles and templates
Misunderstanding of how article ratings work, by rating categories as "high importance"
Violation of the WP:CRIC standard to only add teams to a player's infobox once they make an appearance (Allah Mohammad Ghazanfar being an example who was in IPL and LPL squads but did not play)
Creating clutter on article talkpages as if someone plays one match in one of these tournaments, they get added to the WikiProject
IPL project created templates for every match (60 per season), which led to a massive template clean up project a few years ago

All of these WikiProjects are for franchise T20 tournaments that run for 1-3 months a year, and their WikiProjects are dormant for the rest of the year, or are permanently inactive. They are as follows:

Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh Premier League - looks permanently inactive
Wikipedia:WikiProject Lanka Premier League - been inactive for around 2 years, despite only being created in 2021
Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian Premier League - looks to be inactive
Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan Super League - looks to be inactive

In addition, I have separately nominated the recently created Wikipedia:WikiProject Women's Premier League (cricket) for deletion, but would be okay with this becoming a task force here too (but no merge is required as there is no history to keep). This post aims to satisfy Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Merging WikiProjects#Establish consensus for a merger by getting a consensus for or against this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:52, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 02:00, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

These seem sensible. I had hoped when I revamped the project page, that these would be started by new recruits from r/cricket and other cricket platforms, but I never really found the time. AA (talk) 22:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)

Comment would be good to get a few more thoughts on this proposal, as only 3 unique editors have posted opinions. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:46, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
I get the feeling there aren't many of us left... AA (talk) 17:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
@AssociateAffiliate not at all, there are editors; I feel like no one is aware about the existence of this talk page. I'll try tagging some editors from the above WikiProjects. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 12:53, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
@CptViraj, Fade258, Kirubar, ClogWolf, CRICKETMANIAC303, MNWiki845, Vestrian24Bio, Kpddg, Wowlastic10, and Spinin: from WP IPL.

@Human, Wiki.0hlic, Hamza Ali Shah, Badsaad10, CreativeNorth, Tahaaleem, Fade258, Shah Fahad️, USaamo, and Wallu2: from WP PSL.

@CAPTAINRAJU, ASimpleHuman, ANKAN, MahirM, ShahidulHasanRoman, Imtiazahmedrifat, Fade258, ACricketPremi, and Spinin: from WP BPL.

@DTTruth, Randeepa, Fade258, Abishe, Tahaaleem, Kirubar, RishikaPrabashana, ClogWolf, Cricketsudda21, Janeesh22, Spinin, and KjjjKjjj: from WP LPL.

Forgive me if I had mentioned anyone more than once. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Agreed per nom. Task forces are a much better option in my opinion. Easier to manage and work within. As already said if people aren't interested than why have four-five different projects and leave them dormant. Wikibear47 (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nom. I think task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.

KjjjKjjj (talk) 13:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nom. task forces are much better than having a single WikiProject. For example, WikiProject Japan has many task forces under a single project which makes it easier to handle.

Spinin (talk) 03:09, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nom. Task forces would probably work out better than the inactive Wikiprojects currently, and it might become easier to manage the never ending increase in T20 leagues. Hamza Ali Shah ^Talk 23:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Support per nom. The WPs are all inactive and will likely remain such. Clog Wolf _Howl 09:58, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nom. Better to amalgamate and standardise approaches, particularly with the prospect of ever-more leagues popping up. CarnivalSorts (talk) 10:20, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nom. Ankurc.17 (talk) 07:46, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree per nominator. In my opinion and as per other members creating task forces is far better than creating a single Wikiproject. Fade258 (talk) 15:36, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks like we do have a consensus to merge this WikiProjects back into Cricket WikiProject. Instead of creating taskforces for Full members how about ICC regions... So, it could also cover associate nations as well.

Additionally,

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/ICC cricket task force or a similar name to focus on the events administrated by ICC itself such as WTC, World Cups, Qualifiers, Champions Trophy, Rankings, Awards etc. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Ankurc.17, AssociateAffiliate, Bs1jac, CarnivalSorts, Clog Wolf, Fade258, Godknowme1, Goodknowme, Hamza Ali Shah, Joseph2302, KjjjKjjj, Kumarpramit, MNWiki845, PEditorS10, Pkr206, and Sush150: What are your thoughts on this...? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:17, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me.Godknowme1 (talk) 15:31, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I can definitely get behind with this. My only main concern is that some of the task forces might be inactive most of the time due to little coverage. KjjjKjjj (talk) 09:06, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Both options seem Ok to me. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:19, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Both options are fine with me, though continents are less likely to be inactive than country task forces (since they cover multiple countries). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:41, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Seems alright to me. Hamza Ali Shah ^Talk 16:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This merge has been managed incorrectly so far, wiping out useful pages with no links to their history, and creating pages with unattributed content. Please see this discussion for a few details. There are probably more pages that have been processed incorrectly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I have recovered all the discussions and put them in the archives of Asia tf. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

CricketArchive

Some scorecards link to Cricinfo and some to Cricket Archive. I've got no issue with Cricket Archive except it doesn't allow you to see the card. I don't imagine this is a new issue. What was resolved previously? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

They pay-walled their content 5-odd years ago, so the links are probably from before then. Liberal use of the escape key whilst the page is starting to load will let you see most stuff on there! Spike 'em (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Spike 'em! Should we switch over the links to cricinfo? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing inherently wrong in using WP:PAYWALLed references, though it's obviously easier to verify using non-paid content such as Cricinfo. There are 100s of pages linking to CricketArchive so would be quite an undertaking to replace them all. Spike 'em (talk) 10:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Just in case if someone is thinking about switching,

List scorecard links to cricketarchive.com - thousands of them.
List scorecard links to cricketarchive.co.uk - 587 of them.

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

If switching from Cricket Archive to Cricinfo, editors need to be careful that we're not using verifiability. Cricinfo does not list all women's domestic cricket tournaments, whereas I believe Cricket Archive does- so for many women's cricketers, Cricinfo is not a valid source for all of their infobox statistics. e.g. Nat Sciver-Brunt has Women's List A stats listed in her infobox, and those stats are not on her Cricinfo profile, as that only lists a handful of domestic T20 tournament stats and no List A (50 over) stats. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)