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Proposals, July 2011

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People from Buskerud

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The result of the debate was create types for politicians & mayors, not for general bio.

I propose the following:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:32, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

As below I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Ditto as below. Yes to the politicians and mayors, but not the general bios. Grutness...wha? 03:55, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Support as below. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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People from Aust-Agder

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The result of the debate was create types for politicians & mayors, not for general bio, until further notice.

I propose the following:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:28, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Again I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Me neither. The politicians and mayors, yes, but not the general bio types. They're probably better by nationality then profession. People move around way too much. Grutness...wha? 03:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Support - I am in favor of splitting biographies by subregion, and have wanted to do so with US states for some time. (I know this is controversial, but I think it would be quite useful.) Regardless, the politician and mayor stubs would be good. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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{{Spain-history-stub}}

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I feel this would be very useful for articles on battles and events etc of which there is a massive amount missing.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:11, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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European rail station stubs

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Category:European rail station stubs is undersorted, but by CatScan the following should be viable (categories only if 60 which I think will apply to Spain and Latvia):

{{Ireland-railstation-stub}} has passed 60 so Category:Irish railway station stubs as a speedy. SeveroTC 14:13, 29 July 2011 (UTC) +{{Italy-railstation-stub}} (Category:Italian railway station stubs) SeveroTC 05:18, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:22, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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People from Akershus

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The result of the debate was create types for politicians & mayors, not for general bio..

I propose the following structure for this category:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm not sure about these, I don't particularly like splitting bios by subregion. Waacstats (talk) 06:42, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Given that Category:Norwegian people stubs is very big (over 2 pages), and Category:Norwegian politician stubs currently needs to be split by century of birth in order not to be, I think that this will make things easier. Note also that we already have similar stub categorization in other sub-national level places, uch as the states of the United States and the provinces of Canada. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:27, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes to the politicians and mayors, no to the general bios. As WS says, we don't generally split standard bios by subnational region - far better to split them by profession unless there's a distinct tie to a location (as there usually is with politicians - constituencies, etc). People just move around far too much. Grutness...wha? 03:54, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Norwegian mayor stubs

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I propose creating Category:Norwegian mayor stubs/{{Norway-mayor-stub}} - a quick scan shows 479 stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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Antarctica VIII: Ross Dependency

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Some good news and some bad news. I've just finished sorting the Ross Dependency stubs, and there were a lot of mis-stubbed articles, so it's down to around 900 stubs. This can easily be split into three roughly equal loads by making the following:

The bad news is that a lot of the stubs that were removed have gone into Category:Victoria Land geography stubs, which has now blown out to 1900 stubs. That's the last section of Antarctica to deal with. One section of it already looks worthwhile:

Note the plural, this is for the region of the valleys, not just for valleys per se. Grutness...wha? 00:58, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:21, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:British mayor stubs

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I propose the following:

How's that? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:59, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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Poland road stubs

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Upmerged {{Poland-road-stub}} will take 30. SeveroTC 09:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:27, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
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Some splits of Category:English people subs

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At 900+, this is a pretty large category. A brief scan suggests that the following may at the very least get close to stand-alone cat size:

Grutness...wha? 13:32, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - they can always be pumped up a little, if need be. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually, skip the historian one - it looks to be much smaller than I originally thought. Grutness...wha? 00:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Next time, you could try doing category scans like the ones I always do, which can give you a good idea of the sizes. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah - I normally do. Guess I've been working with the Antarctica stubs too long (most of those I've had to add permcats as I go...) Grutness...wha? 01:26, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
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Ice hockey stubs

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Two upmerged templates for ice hockey:

SeveroTC 06:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Sports event stubs

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Category getting largeish, suggest some templates and categories iff 60-article threshold is met:

SeveroTC 06:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Barbadian sport stubs

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Another speedy proposal. This will gather:

Dawynn (talk) 23:51, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Support speedy. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Speedy Waacstats (talk) 21:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
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Antarctica VII: Graham Land

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I have just sorted all of Graham Lands articles. Not just the stubs (though they make up 95% of the 1500 articles...) Graham Land is now comprehensively divided up into categories by landform and by its nine named coasts. But there are still 1360 stubs in Category:Graham Land geography stubs. So... stub types for the following three coasts will beat it down to a better size:

...leaving 700-odd stubs in the "rump" Graham Land category. That will mean that all of Antarctica except the messy Ross Dependency/Victoria Land area are at comfortable stub category sizes! Grutness...wha? 14:15, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Support, though I'm sure I remember someone saying they were staying well away from antartica for awhile! We'll get you onto those asteroids yet. Waacstats (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Nowt quite - I said I was going to take a wikibreak once Antarctica was finished. Which it nearly is, thankfully... Grutness...wha? 01:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Heh - "get you on those asteroids" - heh. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:28, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Update - note that - because the main source used for the articles was the USGS guide (which ignores accents) - I've had to hastily change Fallieres to Fallières. The permcat is still at Category:Fallieres Coast, but I've put it up for CFR. Grutness...wha? 12:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

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Category:Barbadian sportspeople stubs

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Speedy proposal. To pick up the following templates:

I would also like approval for the following new template:

Because the vast majority of articles tagged with the sport-bio template for Barbados are cricketers. Dawynn (talk) 15:06, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Death metal album stubs / {{death-metal-album-stub}}

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Speedy proposal. Proposing this as a natural parent, since we already have:

Dawynn (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Support headbanging. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Split of Category:Insect stubs by order

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The following orders of insects do not have individual stub tags. Basing the name off of the permcat name. Few (if any) of these will be large enough for a full category at this time. But will use these for exploration:

Dawynn (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Support exploration. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:41, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. A little concerned about the mix of common and scientific names, but if that's the way the permcats do it, then it seems OK. Grutness...wha? 10:48, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{Translator-stub}} and Category:Translator stubs

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I know this is somewhat nebulous - there are a number of famous writers who have also performed translations (Pushkin, anyone?). Still, a CatScan suggests that a template and related category would be viable. Thoughts? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:59, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

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Category:Sports team stubs by country

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Proposal for parent-only category to ease viewing of subcategories in Category:Sports team stubs. Similar to Category:Sports stubs by country, this would be a strictly parent-only category allowing only categories (no upmerge templates). Dawynn (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Worth noting: there is a perm cat already: Category:Sports teams by country Dawynn (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
May also be worth doing a Category:Sports team stubs by sport (permcat Category:Sports teams by sport); Category:Sports team stubs by country as a subcat of Category:Sports stubs by country and Category:Sports team stubs by sport as a subcat of Category:Sports stubs by sport. SeveroTC 13:57, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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Australian mayor stubs

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I propose Category:Australian mayor stubs/{{Australia-mayor-stub}} - a quick scan finds 106 stubs here. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:39, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks good - support. Three countries down, 180+ to go ;) Grutness...wha? 10:58, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Beleive it or not, I'm actually working on it, and finding clear systemic bias - there are typicly few mayor articles for any country in Africa, for example. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:18, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Support --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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Canadian mayor stubs

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I propose the following structure for Canadian mayor stubs:

How's that? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - that's how that is. :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:23, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Support - hope you don't mind but I slightly amended the name of the Alberta one (You'd forgotten the hyphens :) Grutness...wha? 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
Oops - just noticed another slight glitch - the one with the long name should just be {{Newfoundland-mayor-stub}}, with (if you wish) a redirect at {{Labrador-mayor-stub}}. Saves a lot of typing! Grutness...wha? 11:00, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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Split of Category:American mayor stubs by region

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Category:American mayor stubs, when the relevant stub tags are all created and in use, will have (based on current scans) a total of 780 articles and 40 stub tags (in addition to 10 subcats - including Virginia and Wisconson). I think that such a large category is too big - we should probably split it by region as we have Category:United States building and structure stubs, for example. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{Germany-magazine-stub}}

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Is it mag or magazine? Anyway I wish to stub List of German magazines...♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - but might not a language-based template be better, perhaps? --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:57, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Actualy, I don't think we currently have any stub categories or tags for magazines by language, only by country. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
supprt. Mag-stub seems to be the main stub, so {{Germany-mag-stub}} would make sense - but so would a redirect. Grutness...wha? 00:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Support a {{Germany-mag-stub}} as a tag, and {{Germany-magazine-stub}} as a redirect to it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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American mayor stubs

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Given that we already have 3 stub categories for mayors from specific states, and a proposal below to create more, I think we should probably have a Category:American mayor stubs category, and a template {{US-mayor-stub}}, to contain all these. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:44, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - I think this could be most useful. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:58, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Support - but as a parent-category only, with no US-mayor-stub template, as the proposal awaiting closure at the beginning of this month would make it redundant. Grutness...wha? 00:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Squash stubs

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Permcat: Category:Squash. Originally proposed back in December 2009. Rejected at the time, because {{squash-stub}} contained only 7 articles, despite the existence of Category:Squash biography stubs. The biography category still exists, and {{squash-stub}} now contains 20 articles. Propose making this category to provide a natural structure. Dawynn (talk) 12:20, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:59, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 10:18, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Sports team stubs

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Looking at some of the larger sport stubs by country categories, the following should be useful; cats only if 60 are reached; upmerged templates only upmerged to the country cats:

Template # Category Existing cats/templates
{{Austria-sport-team-stub}} 24 Category:Austrian sports team stubs {{Austria-footyclub-stub}} (14)
{{NewZealand-sport-team-stub}} 37 Category:New Zealand sports team stubs Category:New Zealand association football club stubs, {{NewZealand-basketball-team-stub}} (7), {{NewZealand-rugbyunion-team-stub}} (14)
{{Portugal-sport-team-stub}} 73 Category:Portuguese sports team stubs Category:Portuguese football club stubs
{{Slovenia-sport-team-stub}} 18 Category:Slovenian sports team stubs {{Slovenia-footyclub-stub}} (26)
{{SouthAfrica-sport-team-stub}} 31 Category:South African sports team stubs {{SouthAfrica-rugbyunion-team-stub}} (10) {{SouthAfrica-footyclub-stub}} (15)
{{SriLanka-sport-team-stub}} 51 Category:Sri Lankan sports team stubs {{SriLanka-footyclub-stub}} (5)
{{Switzerland-sport-team-stub}} 26 Category:Swiss sports team stubs Category:Swiss football club stubs

SeveroTC 08:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:02, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. Would suggest redirects at Foo-sports-team-stub, given that "sports team" is a fairly universal name. Grutness...wha? 00:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{Ottoman-bio-stub}}, Category:Ottoman people stubs

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Category:Ottoman Empire stubs has almost 400 articles, and some half of them (all these Pashas etc) are biographical articles. Given how the coverage of Ottoman-related articles is still low and most of the new ones are stubs, both numbers are likely to rise much further. Constantine ✍ 11:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - I think this works. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
There seems to be no opposition, so I'm creating these now. Thanks for the votes. Constantine ✍ 01:14, 21 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Buprestidae stubs

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This would pick up the 549 articles in Category:Beetle stubs currently there via {{Buprestidae-stub}}. Is this a speedy? -GTBacchus(talk) 00:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - I think it is, yes. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:10, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
Support speedy. However, it sure would have been nice if whoever tagged the stubs into the family would have also changed the category. Most of these are perm catted at the superfamily level, with only 23 in the permcat. Dawynn (talk) 22:42, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
Question I changed a lot of these from {{Beetle-stub}} to {{Buprestidae-stub}}, but I don't understand most of what you said. What do you mean by "permcat"? It was my impression that the template was created in order to tag things and then create the category once there were enough of them. Is that not right? -GTBacchus(talk) 00:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
I think I figured it out. Permcat means the ordinary kind of category, not the stub one, and you're saying that a lot of those pages are in Category:Buprestoidea. I see that now. Hmm. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:32, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, sorry. "Permcat" is a stub-sorting project term. In this case, Category:Buprestidae and Category:Buprestoidea are perm(anent)-cat(egorie)s. With these taxonomy categories, if there's enough reason to have a stub category (that is, sufficient articles), then there's probably reason enough to have an accompanying permanent category with the same (and hopefully more!) articles as the stub category. Dawynn (talk) 02:26, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
After reading through my earlier post, I can see much room for confusion. Again, my apologies. As you deduced, I was just wishing that the Buprestidae articles had been moved into Category:Buprestidae instead of continuing to sit in Category:Buprestoidea. As far as following the guidelines of the stub-sorting project, you've done everything right in this case, as far as I can see. Dawynn (talk) 02:31, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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Subfamilies of Pterophoridae

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The category: Category:Pterophoridae stubs currently contains about 1,330 articles. They're about moths. I suggest creating templates and categories for the following subdivisions of the family:

I hope I've included all relevant information. The numbers are rough estimates, except for the first one, which is precise at time of counting. Please let me know if you've got any further questions. -GTBacchus(talk) 00:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{Hockey-season-stub}}, Category:Hockey season stubs

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Someone has recently been creating a lot of short articles relating to seasons in European hockey. I'm not sure how many off the top of my head, but I'm sure there are enough to warrant creating a stub tag and category. Speaking of which, this weekend I'm going to start trying to work on the European hockey team stubs - there's potential room for some work there. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:22, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Field hockey, ice hockey, or a combination? If only for one it should either be {{icehockey-season-stub}} or {{fieldhockey-season-stub}}. Grutness...wha? 00:43, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
*smack*Ice hockey. Of course - I should remember things like this. I don't even know what's up with the field hockey stuff, but it would be for ice hockey. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 16:12, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Russian newspaper stubs

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Requesting speedy build. To pick up {{Russia-newspaper-stub}}. 63 articles. Dawynn (talk) 13:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Support speedy, tovarish. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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And now for something completely different...

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A proposal, but for a change, something other than a stub type. I'm putting it here because it's more likely to get actioned here than a simple comment on the talk page. {{Stub}}'s talk page starts with two very useful templates - {{WikiProject Stub sorting}} and {{WPSS-talk}}, which read:

" This {{pagetype}} is maintained by WikiProject Stub sorting, an attempt to bring some sort of order to Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can choose to improve/expand the articles containing this stub notice, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks."

and

"Most of the discussion relating to this and other stub categories occurs at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting. You may wish to consider leaving a note there rather than here."

How often have we seen, at WP:SFD or elsewhere, someone say "this was discussed on the category's talk page"? I think it would be a very good idea if a bot could be used to put these on the talk page of every stub template and category, preferably run regularly so that we ensure it's on all new stub types too.

Any thoughts? Grutness...wha? 07:52, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

This isn't a bad idea - I think it would be a great help. Doesn't even need to be a separate bot - AWB can probably do it just as well. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:57, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm for it. Just be careful with the bot. Not everything that has 'stub' in the name has to do with our project. For instance, Category:Steubenville Stubs players keeps showing up in several of our lists of all stub categories, even though it has nothing to do with our project. Evidently, the Steubenville Stubs were some kind of baseball team back in the early 1900's or so. This category should not be tagged with any WPSS-related templates. (At this time, this and Category:WikiProject Motorcycling stubs are the only non-WPSS "stub" categories that I'm aware of). May have to somehow blacklist such specific instances to make the bot ignore them. Dawynn (talk) 23:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{England-newspaper-stub}}/Category:English newspaper stubs

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I propose creating these - Category:United Kingdom newspaper stubs has nearly 400 stubs, and this split would take 170 of them. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:43, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
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Category:Portuguese composer stubs

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Should be just at 60; if not, I'm going to add a couple more tonight so that it gets there. (Shouldn't be more than one or two away.) This will help take care of some of the bloat at Category:European composer stubs. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:02, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

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Category:American children's television series stubs

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For speedy approval. To pick up {{US-child-tv-prog-stub}}, 78 articles. Will subcategorize under:

Dawynn (talk) 18:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Support speedy. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 22:01, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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Antarctica the sixth (Revenge of the bride of the son of Antarctica)

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Category:Queen Maud Land geography stubs is still fairly swollen at about 1200 stubs. QML is divided into five regions, and the best-explored two, Princess Astrid Coast and Princess Martha Coast, will probably account for about 400 stubs each. Therefore:

...will finally remove it from the oversized category list! Grutness...wha? 14:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Support anything that will keep the Queen from being swollen. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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Missing Category:Television stubs splits

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These already exist:

Propose the following for speedy approval:

Support - yes. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
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{{textile-artist-stub}}

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Might be useful - as opposed to {{designer-stub}}, it could be used for fiber artists, mostly. A cursory glance at Category:Textile artists suggests that it should be viable. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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Taming the Category:Beetle stubs

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Looks like the beetle stub category has been growing at an alarming rate. Propose approving family-level templates for all remaining beetle families. Will use the family templates to explore which families could become full categories.

Not all families have separate permcats, or even articles. All of the family names were pulled from List of subgroups of the order Coleoptera:

Proposed beetle family templates
Header Template Perm Cat Article
{{Acanthocnemidae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Acanthocnemidae
{{Aderidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Aderidae
{{Agyrtidae-stub}} Category:Staphylinoidea Agyrtidae
{{Alexiidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Alexiidae
{{Amphizoidae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Amphizoidae
{{Anthicidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Anthicidae
{{Anthribidae-stub}} Category:Weevils Anthribidae
{{Archeocrypticidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Archeocrypticidae
{{Artematopodidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Attelabidae-stub}} Category:Weevils Attelabidae
{{Belohinidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Belohinidae
{{Biphyllidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Biphyllidae
{{Boganiidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Boganiidae
{{Bolboceratidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Scarabaeoidea
{{Boridae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Boridae
{{Bostrichidae-stub}} Category:Bostrichidae Bostrichidae
{{Bothrideridae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Bothrideridae
{{Brachypsectridae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Brachypsectridae
{{Brentidae-stub}} Category:Weevils Brentidae
{{Byrrhidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhidae
{{Byturidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Byturidae
{{Callirhipidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Caridae-stub}} Category:Weevils Caridae
{{Cavognathidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cavognathidae
{{Ceratocanthidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Scarabaeoidea
{{Cerophytidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Cerophytidae
{{Cerylonidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cerylonidae
{{Chaetosomatidae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Chaetosomatidae
{{Chalcodryidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Chalcodryidae
{{Chelonariidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Ciidae-stub}} Category:Ciidae Ciidae
{{Clambidae-stub}} Category:Scirtoidea Scirtoidea
{{Cleridae-stub}} Category:Cleridae Cleridae
{{Cneoglossidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Corylophidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Corylophidae
{{Crowsoniellidae-stub}} Category:Archostemata Crowsoniellidae
{{Cryptophagidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cryptophagidae
{{Cucujidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cucujidae
{{Cupedidae-stub}} Category:Archostemata Cupedidae
{{Dascillidae-stub}} Category:Beetles Dascilloidea
{{Decliniidae-stub}} Category:Scirtoidea Scirtoidea
{{Dermestidae-stub}} Category:Dermestidae Dermestidae
{{Derodontidae-stub}} Category:Beetles Derodontidae
{{Diphyllostomatidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Diphyllostomatidae
{{Discolomatidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Discolomatidae
{{Drilidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Dryopidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Elmidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Endomychidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Endomychidae
{{Erotylidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Erotylidae
{{Eucinetidae-stub}} Category:Scirtoidea Eucinetidae
{{Eucnemidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Eulichadidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Geotrupidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Geotrupidae
{{Glaphyridae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Glaphyridae
{{Glaresidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Glaresidae
{{Gyrinidae-stub}} Category:Gyrinidae Gyrinidae
{{Haliplidae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Haliplidae
{{Helotidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Helotidae
{{Heteroceridae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Heteroceridae
{{Hobartiidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Hobartiidae
{{Hybosoridae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Hybosoridae
{{Hydraenidae-stub}} Category:Staphylinoidea Hydraenidae
{{Hydrophilidae-stub}} Category:Hydrophiloidea Hydrophilidae
{{Hydroscaphidae-stub}} Category:Myxophaga Hydroscaphidae
{{Hygrobiidae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Hygrobiidae
{{Ithyceridae-stub}} Category:Weevils Ithyceridae
{{Jacobsoniidae-stub}} Category:Bostrichoidea Jacobsoniidae
{{Jurodidae-stub}} Category:Archostemata Jurodidae
{{Kateretidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Kateretidae
{{Laemophloeidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Laemophloeidae
{{Lamingtoniidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Lamingtoniidae
{{Languriidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cucujoidea
{{Latridiidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Latridiidae
{{Lepiceridae-stub}} Category:Myxophaga Lepiceridae
{{Limnichidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Lutrochidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Lutrochidae
{{Lycidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Lycidae
{{Lymexylidae-stub}} Category:Beetles Lymexylidae
{{Megalopodidae-stub}} Category:Chrysomeloidea Megalopodidae
{{Melandryidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Melandryidae
{{Meloidae-stub}} Category:Meloidae Meloidae
{{Melyridae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Melyridae
{{Micromalthidae-stub}} Category:Archostemata Micromalthidae
{{Monotomidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cucujoidea
{{Mordellidae-stub}} Category:Mordellidae Mordellidae
{{Mycetophagidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Mycetophagidae
{{Mycteridae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Mycteridae
{{Nemonychidae-stub}} Category:Weevils Nemonychidae
{{Nitidulidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Nitidulidae
{{Nosodendridae-stub}} Category:Bostrichoidea Nosodendridae
{{Noteridae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Noteridae
{{Ochodaeidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Ochodaeidae
{{Oedemeridae-stub}} Category:Oedemeridae Oedemeridae
{{Omalisidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Omethidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Ommatidae-stub}} Category:Archostemata Ommatidae
{{Orsodacnidae-stub}} Category:Chrysomeloidea Orsodacnidae
{{Passandridae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Cucujoidea
{{Perimylopidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Perimylopidae
{{Phalacridae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Phalacridae
{{Phengodidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Phengodidae
{{Phloeostichidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Phloeostichidae
{{Phloiophilidae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Phloiophilidae
{{Phycosecidae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Phycosecidae
{{Plastoceridae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Pleocomidae-stub}} Category:Scarabaeoidea Pleocomidae
{{Podabrocephalidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Prionoceridae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Prionoceridae
{{Propalticidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Propalticidae
{{Prostomidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Prostomidae
{{Protocucujidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Protocucujidae
{{Psephenidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Psephenidae
{{Pterogeniidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Pterogeniidae
{{Ptiliidae-stub}} Category:Ptiliidae Ptiliidae
{{Ptilodactylidae-stub}} Category:Byrrhoidea Byrrhoidea
{{Pyrochroidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Pyrochroidae
{{Pythidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Pythidae
{{Rhinorhipidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Rhipiceridae-stub}} Category:Beetles Dascilloidea
{{Rhysodidae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Rhysodidae
{{Ripiphoridae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Ripiphoridae
{{Salpingidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Salpingidae
{{Schizopodidae-stub}} Category:Buprestoidea Schizopodidae
{{Scirtidae-stub}} Category:Scirtoidea Scirtoidea
{{Scraptiidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Scraptiidae
{{Scydmaenidae-stub}} Category:Staphylinoidea Scydmaenidae
{{Silvanidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Silvanidae
{{Smicripidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Smicripidae
{{Sphaeritidae-stub}} Category:Hydrophiloidea Sphaeritidae
{{Sphaeriusidae-stub}} Category:Myxophaga Sphaeriusidae
{{Sphindidae-stub}} Category:Cucujoidea Sphindidae
{{Staphylinidae-stub}} Category:Staphylinidae Staphylinidae
{{Stenotrachelidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Stenotrachelidae
{{Synchroidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Synchroidae
{{Synteliidae-stub}} Category:Hydrophiloidea Synteliidae
{{Telegeusidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Telegeusidae
{{Tenebrionidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionidae Tenebrionidae
{{Tetratomidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Tetratomidae
{{Throscidae-stub}} Category:Elateroidea Elateroidea
{{Torridincolidae-stub}} Category:Myxophaga Torridincolidae
{{Trachelostenidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Trachelostenidae
{{Trachypachidae-stub}} Category:Adephaga Trachypachidae
{{Trictenotomidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Trictenotomidae
{{Trogidae-stub}} Category:Trogidae Trogidae
{{Trogossitidae-stub}} Category:Cleroidea Trogossitidae
{{Ulodidae-stub}} Category:Tenebrionoidea Ulodidae
{{Zopheridae-stub}} Category:Zopheridae Zopheridae

Dawynn (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 19:26, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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South Sudan stubs II

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{{SouthSudan-geo-stub}} is now on use on about 80 articles, so Category:South Sudan geography stubs should be speediable. Also looks like the following templates only would be useful:

Grutness...wha? 01:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Support speedy. Dawynn (talk) 18:13, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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Polish sport team stubs

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New template should take around 72 (currently tagged with {{Poland-sport-stub}} and something in Category:Sports team stubs), plus {{Poland-basketball-team-stub}} to upmerge and Category:Polish football club stubs as a subcat. Speediable. SeveroTC 11:32, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Support speedy. The football club subcat provides the article numbers, and the basketball team template, and precedence from other countries provides justification for the grouping category. Dawynn (talk) 17:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 15:07, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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split of Category:European football competition stubs

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Oversized, already have templates by country and three templates have passed 60, I propose

The other one would leave the other parent Category:Soviet sport stubs with about three articles so I'll wait to see if I can find a few more articles for there before proposing that. and anyway the two above will be enough to get it below the 800 mark. Waacstats (talk) 13:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Support - Waacstats, maybe there is scope for a separate UEFA competitions template other than just the Europe template which can be used for countries which don't have their own national templates? SeveroTC 15:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 05:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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South Sudan stubs

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Per previous discussion: South Sudan is now officially independent, and I think it's time we start considering the creation of stub tags. These four for starters, perhaps?

I've been using {{SouthernSudan-stub}} for a stopgap, though it's no longer accurate. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 01:12, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. Dawynn (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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Antarctica, part V

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Great God - this is an awful place! Finally got this continent just about sorted, though - there are only five categories of Antarctica geo-stubs with over 800 stubs, and of those only two have over 1200: Ross Dependency (1600) and Graham Land (1700). The following should hopefully reduce them considerably:

Two of the other three over-large categories (Victoria Land and Queen Maud Land, about 1150 each) aren't easy to split, but South Shetland geography stubs (currently 1020 stubs) can be easily subdivided:

...should each remove about 300 stubs from it. With any luck, that will be just about it for Antarctica, unless I can work out some other Graham Land split! Grutness...wha? 12:35, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Congrats on getting these down to size. I think anyone who can get the Antarctica cats down to this level can do anything in stub sorting, next stop sorting out Category:Main Belt asteroid stubs ? Waacstats (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I've left that one for you, WS ;) Next stop for me will be a short wikibreak. Grutness...wha? 01:36, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Update - the Edward VII one isn't going to be particularly useful (only about 40 stubs), so it's not really worthwhile. Grutness...wha? 08:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
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More sport stub templates

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With this proposal, every nation of at least 150,000 people will have an approved {{foo-sport-stub}} and {{foo-sport-bio-stub}}. Just in case its decided that its unnecessary for smaller nations, I've broken it down a bit by population. :

Dawynn (talk) 18:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support, and all the other listed sports stub typoes. You're doing good work on sorting the sport stubs, D. Grutness...wha? 01:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

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Sports venue templates

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With this proposal, all countries with at least 300,000 people will have an approved template for sports venues:

Dawynn (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Support all. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 21:39, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

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Another round of sports categories

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The following should be speediable:

Dawynn (talk) 13:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Support speedy away. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
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More sport categories and templates

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Propose the following new categories:

Also, propose the following exploratory templates:

Dawynn (talk) 14:27, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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Antarctica IV

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A few more Antarctica stub types. Just about got East Antarctica licked now (it tastes icy). These three should clear the bulk of what's left:

Grutness...wha? 11:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ach - to hell with it. Add in the final few to complete East Antarctica - these will probably remain upmerged, but they might as well go in for completion:
The last one is a problem. Believe it or not, there doesn't seem to be any name for the wedge of Antarctica between about 35° and 80°W further south than the base of the Antarctic Peninsula. Most of it is covered by the Filchner-Ronne Ice Shelf, though, so this seems the most appropriate name.
I also made {{AdelaideIsland-geo-stub}} as a redirect to the Graham Land template, thinking it might get enough to be useful. IThere are over 100 stubs marked with it, so I'd like to turn that into a full template and category.
If all of these are done, everywhere on the Big Ice will have a specific subtype of East or West Antarctica. There may still be one or two very large sections that will need paring down (Graham Land is likely to have a couple of thousand stubs) but other than that, this will be just about it. Grutness...wha? 11:40, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Support the whole thing. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 13:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
UPDATE - the Filchner-Ronne category has been renamed to Category:Edith Ronne Land geography stubs Grutness...wha? 01:27, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
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Missing sport categories

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Propose speedy approval of the following:

Note that all of these either already have, or can support, a valid sportspeople sub-category. Dawynn (talk) 13:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Support each and every one. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Support all, with two minor tweaks I'd change that "Dominican" category to "Dominican Republic" if I were you, and it's probably better to stick with "Trinidad and Tobago" rather than having one category at "Trinidadian". Grutness...wha? 11:12, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Grutness. Corrections made to proposal. Will build new templates and categories when time permits. Dawynn (talk) 16:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
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Mayors?

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Just a thought for discussion rather than a firm proposal - is it would having stub templates for mayors for each of the US's states, as subtypes of the politician stubs? The thought came to me while SFD'ing a Montclair-politician-stub which we seem to have inherited. Would a NewJersey-mayor-stub, for mayors of cities/boroughs/towns in New Jersey be useful, and the same for the other states? Grutness...wha? 00:49, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Support. We have precedent (Category:New York mayor stubs) and permcats (subcategories of Category:Mayors of places in the United States). Dawynn (talk) 01:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Support. In fact, I believe we already do this for some states (CF Category:California mayor stubs). --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 20:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
A scan shows that we have for California, Massachusetts and New York. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
And a different scan confirms that there are plently of articles in the Category:Mayors of places in New Jersey category tree to justfy a stub category. Not all of the states, though - Alabama has only 26. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
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