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Patrolling

If you patrol a page and then press back does the page still get marked as patrolled? Thanks, Rubbish computer 23:51, 1 August 2015 (UTC) I'm asking as I have been doing this in lists of new pages for a while. Rubbish computer 23:54, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: I have no evidence but I think it's very, very likely that it counts. I think I've done this when watchlisting pages for various reasons; I've definitely done it with edits which were saved. Pressing back may lead you to a cached version of a page, but I can't think of a situation where it would erase any of your actions. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 00:36, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Bilorv: Thanks. Rubbish computer 00:37, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Rubbish computer: I think it counts. --Human3015^{Send WikiLove}  00:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Help with AFD

Hello fellow Wikipedia editors! I (prematurely) nominated Mike Green and Sloan Thomas for deletion and then found out about WP:NGRIDIRON. However, I just read through Wikipedia's deletion policy for the 3rd time and found this statement: "Under Wikipedia policy, a newly created biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article."

Wouldn't both articles be deleted because there is nothing sourced? Thanks! MrWooHoo (talk) 04:47, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

• Hi MrWooHoo in principle I believe you are correct that you need at least one source to show that WP:NGRIDIRON applies. Although its not obvious and probably should be listed as a external link in the articles bodies as well both players have links at the bottom of the info boxes that would count as evidence for WP:NGRIDIRON. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 09:49, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

It would however help to have more references and more information in the articles. One place to ask for help in expanding the articles would be WP:Wikiproject National Football League. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

• MrWooHoo, to add to the answers above, and to answer your original question, newly created biographies of living persons (we call them "BLPs" for short) that are completely unsourced can be deleted, but we have a process for doing that: we add the template {{subst:Prod blp}} to the top of the article, and then we typically allow the page creator a 7-day grace period to add references to the article before we carry out the deletion. In order to utilize this process, the article has to contain no sources of any form, and that includes external links, and the article must have been created after March 18, 2010. In the cases of Mike Green (running back) and Sloan Thomas, both articles were created some time before March 18, 2010, so you couldn't have utilized the BLP proposed deletion process. See the page Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people for more information. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 05:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Username articles

How some users create a page which has / after their username?

User:Yunshui/portal test, User:Yunshui/Images for beginners, User:Kinu/Texas State Highway Loop 539. Aero Slicers 05:44, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Aero Slicers: Hi there, if you want to create a page or article like that here is an example simply search one you want to create I don't know what you want to create so if you could let me know I can help you more. Thanks TeaLover1996 (talk) 05:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Every article must be notable. If it is not notable, then Users can add /, as User:Aero Slicer/Planchet (novel)? As they did above. Those pages created by Yunshui and Kinu, they are linked to their Userpage. There are many such articles by experienced users.--Aero Slicer 06:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Aero Slicers. None of the pages mentioned above is a main space encyclopedia article. They are user pages, which may be early drafts of future articles, or drafts of possible additions to existing articles, or advice to other editors. Users are given great leeway in creating user pages for the purpose of improving the encyclopedia. Such pages are not held to the notability standards of actual encyclopedia articles. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:47, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Aero Slicer: I have one called TeaLover1996/Editnotice, basically search User:Aero Slicer/Put page name here, it will say that the page doesnt exist you can then create edit and save the page, but make sure what you create is necessary as there is a policy on creating pages, creation of inappropriate pages will lead to the page being deleted, frequent creation of the same page or different inappropriate pages may lead to loss of editing priveleges. Also please take the time to read Wikipedia's policy on speedy deletion and Wikipedia's deletion policy Thanks. TeaLover1996 (talk) 06:43, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Bots

Anyone know any bots written in Java? TeaLover1996 (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@TeaLover1996: I'm not too familiar with bot things, but if you're talking about Wikipedia bots written in Java, the following links to search results may be helpful:

• Search results for "java bot" in User and Category namespaces
• Search results for "bot java" in User and Category namespaces

CabbagePotato (talk) 06:54, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

User page need references????

I keep getting this message when I try to submit my user page: "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources." I have noticed that other users don't have references. Trainsofvictoria (talk) 05:21, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Trainsofvictoria. What you are calling a "user page" is something that you have been submitting for review as a main space encyclopedia article. You do not need any review of your user page. Your user page does not exist at this time, which is why your user name is a red link. Your user page is for the purpose of introducing yourself as a Wikipedia editor, and discussing your background, skills and interests as a editor. Just click the red link, type something, and save it. It does not need references.

The Articles for creation process is for review of draft encyclopedia articles. Such articles must be referenced and about notable topics. That process has nothing at all to do with user pages. I hope this clarifies things. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Trainsofvictoria (talk) 07:18, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Need Help

I am new to Wikipedia, Please help me on posting articles and other infos needed! Surya Sharma (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Xuryasharma, and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you be a little more explicit on what you want help with? I, or others here, would be happy to help. As for creating new articles, please read Your First Article and this summary. Then you could use the article wizard. DES ^(talk) 13:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Xuryasharma: Also check out the Wikipedia Adventure which leads you through a lot of the basics. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:08, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Quotations and Ellipsis

My questions concern a block quote in the New Deal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal#cite_note-214) under a sub-article called "Charges of Fascism." President Franklin D. Roosevelt is quoted as saying:

"[Some] will try to give you new and strange names for what we are doing. Sometimes they will call it 'Fascism', sometimes 'Communism', sometimes 'Regimentation', sometimes 'Socialism'. But, in so doing, they are trying to make very complex and theoretical something that is really very simple and very practical.... Plausible self-seekers and theoretical die-hards will tell you of the loss of individual liberty. Answer this question out of the facts of your own life. Have you lost any of your rights or liberty or constitutional freedom of action and choice?"

There are several problems with the quote. Fist of all, the sentences are reversed and contradict the source. Page 49 of the source contains the sentences after the ellipses. The material that precedes the ellipses is on page 51. Readers can go to the reference to check my statement here: https://books.google.com/books?id=HPYWKPEZIaUC&pg=PA51&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

The other problem is that the ellipses covers 2 pages and over 10 paragraphs. The subject changes several times.

Aren't quotations supposed to accurately reflect the source reference? Aren't ellipses supposed to be limited in the amount of material omitted?

There are other problems with the quotes. They are editorial in nature and defend a point of view. If the full quotes are provided they will be too long. See the full quotations in Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/New_Deal

The quotations are factually dubious. The Supreme Court ruled in 1935 that a New Deal law violated the Bill of Rights (Schechter v. United States, a decision cited as recently as 2011). Roosevelt wasn't a fascist at all but some scholars say that there were some similarities in economic programs. Roosevelt privately acknowledged some similarities. I think the block quote should be removed and replaced with a summary of his speech along with a summary of his private statements. LesLein (talk) 15:20, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Are there sufficient sources that discuss that aspect in particular to merit a stand alone article? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:06, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

This is a content issue. Discuss on the article talk page. If that is inconclusive, read the dispute resolution policy and select a dispute resolution mechanism. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Adding additional info on a US Naval ship.

I would like to find out how to add information about a US Naval ship Destroyer that would add to the history of the ship. Below is a summary of the information I have:

I served on the USS Chauncey DD667 during the Korean War. I have information on the USS Chauncey that is not covered in Wikipedia. Mainly it is the round-the-world cruise by the Chauncey starting in Jan. 1953 in Norfolk, VA. and completing in July, 1953. We left Norfolk, VA, continued through the Panama Canal then westward toward Hawaii and the battle location of Korea. We saw battle service off the coast of Korea during that time, afterwards continuing westward into the Mediterranean Sea and then headed back to our home port on Norfolk, VA. in July, 1953. We were written up in the Norfolk Virginian Pilot newspaper as the first warships to land in port in the US since the treaty was announced in July, 1953. I have a list of ports we visited and the dates and the article on the front page from the Norfolk Virginian Pilot newspaper with a picture of the four ships of DESRON 28 docked with the crowd of visitors welcoming us back home. I would like to submit this information to be added to the USS Chauncey portion of Wikipedia to make it a part of the Chauncey's Naval history. I would appreciate any help or assistance in accomplishing this matter. Thank You,

Walter A Brockway Storekeeper 2nd Class (SK2) USS Chauncey DD667

College Park, MD 71.191.189.195 (talk) 14:38, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Walter (I presume that you are posting this personally, rather than on behalf of someone else). One of the core policies of Wikipedia is that article material needs to be backed up with reliable sources (you can read guidance on this here). That generally rules out personal accounts and memories of events, unless they are published somewhere. The fact that you say that this account has been written up in a newspaper is therefore promising. If you want to edit the USS Chauncey (DD-667) article using that published material as a source, you might want to consult Wikipedia:Citing sources for instructions on how to reference it. If you need help making the actual edits, come back to me here and I'll see what I can do to assist. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:24, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll see what I can find. Anyone know how long I hav till the page is removed? Or can I place it in a sandbox or something for the time being? Melourn (talk) 21:33, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Oops, wrong convo... Melourn (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I do have a newspaper article backing up my information, and I do need help on adding this to the Chauncey site. Would you allow me to send the article and picture to you and for your perusal and let me know if you assist in adding the information.

Thank you, Walter "Wally" Brockway 71.191.189.195 (talk) 11:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Certainly. You can e-mail me using this form. I don't think you can attach a file there, but if you drop me a mail, then I'll reply and once you have my address you can send me it. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Incorrect graphic associated with article

How does one correct a graphic used in an article? The article's content is probably correct but the graphic is hideously incorrect.

Specifically in the article Almazán (Almaz%C3%A1n), the map indicates that the province Soria is south of the province of Madrid but in reality it is north-east of Madrid. This is verified on maps and even in other places in Wikipedia such as the Province of Soria (Province_of_Soria) article.KKPoschman (talk) 22:11, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi KKPoschman. I am not an expert on the geography of Spain, so take this with a grain of salt. I looked really hard at all of the maps on the pages Almazán, Province of Soria, and Community of Madrid and I am not seeing the issue you are seeing. The Almazán article has two maps in its infobox: the one on top is of the Province of Soria, with the Almazán municipality highlighted; the one on the bottom is the location of the Almazán municipality in relation to the entirety of Spain. Since only the bottom map contains Madrid, I only focused on that. The Almazán municipality is marked with a dot, and it does appear to be northeast of Madrid. Am I missing something? I apologize for the confusion; please feel free to leave a follow-up comment to clarify things.

To answer your question, however, the dot on the map can be moved by changing the geographic coordinates in the wikicode. They look like this:

| latd  =41  |latm  =21 |lats  =09 |latNS  = N 
| longd =2  |longm =31 |longs =59  |longEW = W

Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 22:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for correcting my understanding of the graphic. My interpretation was wrong.KKPoschman (talk) 23:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@KKPoschman: You're welcome! Thank you for asking! Mz7 (talk) 23:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia as a reliable source

Can you use a Wikipedia article as a reliable source Mahdi Akhtar (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Mahdi Akhtar
No, not in any circumstances - what you can do is look at another article and see what the references are. You can then check these references (do not assume that what the article says is what the reference actually says), and re-cite that reference in another article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:09, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Mahdi Akhtar: To add to Arjayay's comment, our policy is that Wikipedia should not be used as sources in Wikipedia articles, since it runs the risk of circular reporting. Wikipedia articles must also be based mostly on reliable secondary sources. Wikipedia is what is known as a tertiary source. With regards to using Wikipedia as a reliable source elsewhere, for example as a citation in a paper, I would strongly recommend refraining from it. Wikipedia is rarely considered an acceptable source in academia, and some teachers or professors may reject Wikipedia-sourced papers completely. Use your best judgement. The page Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia § A caution before citing Wikipedia has good advice on this topic. Best, Mz7 (talk) 23:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Your guidance please

I have substantially revised my submission (Articles for creation) based on reviews. Kindly let me know what more needs to be done at my end for its acceptance. Shyamelge (talk) 17:59, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

If you are asking about a specific article submission, it helps to provide a link to the article. Assuming that the article is Draft:Kavaljit Singh, you need to provide a reference to an article about him as well as to articles or books by him. (That is what the previous reviewers said.) Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, my article is about Kavaljit Singh. I have already given the online references and sources about him and books/articles by him. Shyamelge (talk) 18:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Help me to understand why the previous reviewer/s didn't accept my submission which contained several references to Singh's books and writings by credible sources.Shyamelge (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Needless to say, all sources are credible. Shyamelge (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

My previous three submissions about Kavaljit Singh (which were rejected) were longish in text with several sources and links listed there. I have substantially reduced the text and sources in the current submission on the assumption perhaps a shorter text may be acceptable.Shyamelge (talk) 18:38, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Kindly guide me how to proceed ahead with my submission as I am new to wikipedia. Shyamelge (talk) 18:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the teahouse, first you need to go Here then you will learn to to provide a reference something like this <ref name="S2005">{{cite book|author=Venkitaramanan S|title=Indian Economy: Reviews And Commentaries -|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=90F4-l5hNpQC&pg=PA47|date=31 August 2005|publisher=ICFAI Books|isbn=978-81-7881-573-2|pages=47–}}</ref> which is talking about your subject person. CV9933 (talk) 18:52, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Are you suggesting that my references should be submitted in that particular style?Shyamelge (talk) 18:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

That is the standard on Wikipedia. By putting your reference between <ref></ref> tags in the article right after the information you are referencing, you let readers and other editors know exactly where each piece of information comes from. Happy Squirrel (talk) 22:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Shyamelge, thank you for visiting the Teahouse with your questions about referencing. I have to admit, referencing was one of my biggest challenges when I began editing Wikipedia. I have helped format one of your references and hope that it gives you an idea on how to do it. Your references should be placed in-line, right after the statement that the reference supports. I, unfortunately did not know the correct place to put the reference that I formatted for you so you may have to move it. If you open the edit window for your article, you will see how the reference was formatted. Some editors think that they should put the reference into the reference section, but instead the reference is written in the article and the wiki software puts the reference at the end of the article if the reference is formatted correctly. In addition, I use a 'tool' that does most of the formatting for me. It can be found here. This tool will take a bare url and turn it into a partially formatted reference. The tool leaves out the <ref> and </ref> tags, access date, date of publication and publisher but it speeds up the process of formatting the reference. Let me know if you need any more help placing your references in-line so that they appear in the right place in the reference section. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  10:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

My page edits have vanished?!

Hi TeaHouse, I recently made lots of updates to our company wiki page, using this new account. These edits included updates in almost every section of the page and a new picture. This all seemed fine and stayed that way for a couple of days however this morning we've noticed the page has reverted back to the way it used to be (very out of date!) - please can you help us figure out what happened here? Have these edits gone forever (as they took rather a long time)? Many thanks, the Donmar Warehouse Marketing Team (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donmar_Warehouse)DonmarWarehouse (talk) 09:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@DonmarWarehouse: please read our conflict of interest guidelines—: Wikipedia is not to be used for promotion or advertising, must remain neutral and its pages are not owned by anyone, not even the article's subject. Your changes were undone by Mean as custard in this edit. Taking a quick look at your changes, they are far from neutral. Sentences like "We are committed to sharing our work with an ever broader audience and, through innovative and exciting education work, engaging audiences of the future" are a big problem because they (a) imply that Wikipedia has some affiliation with the subject and (b) contain blatant promotional phrases ("innovative and exciting" are not facts). This is why we discourage people from editing pages about themselves or their companies; it is very difficult for them to remain neutral. Your changes are still in the article's page history, but they are not appropriate for Wikipedia. Unless there is a specific factual error with the page, I would recommend you stay away from this article; however, you are free to remove any obvious vandalism on the page or request changes on the article's talk page.

I have added one of your contributions back, though: the picture you added was more recent and seems like an improvement on the old one. Thank you for uploading it. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 10:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Help

I am creating an infobox directly from Template:Infobox. However, some "label" and "data" lines I am imputing in are not showing up in the final visual product. It appears that they are the same as the other lines that are showing. I am not sure why. Matthewshill (talk) 00:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Matthewshill, welcome back to the Teahouse. It appears you have worked it out by yourself. Template:Infobox#Main data says:

"Note: for any given value for (n), not all combinations of parameters are permitted. The presence of a |header(n)= will cause the corresponding |data(n)= (and |rowclass(n)= |label(n)=, see below) to be ignored"

If you still have problems then please be more specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I figured out my problem shortly after sending this message. I did have the same problem you mentioned above. Next time I do it, I will know better. Thanks again for your help! Matthewshill (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

how to know if a website is official + watching teahouse

I would like to add an external link to the article Heather Barnett on English Wikipedia. The link would be to her official website. But how do I really know it is her official website, it certainly seems as though it is. This is what I think it is: [[1]]

Also, is there a way to watch "Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions" on my watchlist? I don't see a "Watch this page." Thanks Greg Dahlen (talk) 21:02, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh, looks like I have to submit the question, then I can "edit" and watch this page. But I still would appreciate answer to first question Greg Dahlen (talk) 21:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Greg Dahlen. The website is linked at both [2] at [3] so it's clearly official. With default settings, pages have a tab with a star you can click to watch them. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. Some more questions? First, any articulations on how one would know the university sites/pages that link to Heather Barnett's site are official?

Also, if I'm looking at a website such as Heather Barnett's, is there a way of knowing what other sites/pages would link to it, one way of doing it would be to make educated guesses about what sites/pages would link to it and then go and check, but is there a way for example to say to Google "Tell me all the sites/pages that link to this site/page," and have Google do it, literally find a complete list of the links?

Also, what if no other pages/sites linked to a site in question, then how one might discover if the site in question is official? Greg Dahlen (talk) 11:27, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: There is no general way to determine whether a page is official. Just look for clues and use common sense. The top of [4] has a link sequence "University of the Arts > LondonCentral Saint Martins > People > Teaching Staff > Fine Art". That strongly indicates it is an official staff page at the university and can be trusted to link to the official site of the subject. [5] has a similar sequence but with a vertical layout: "About us", "Our people", "Academic directory". Unless you have a good reason to doubt it, http://www.heatherbarnett.co.uk/ can be assumed to be the offical site. Many websites like Facebook and Twitter are open to anyone and include unofficial pages so be careful there. https://twitter.com/heatherabarnett is probably official but it doesn't have the "Verified account" checkmark to the right of the name like for example https://twitter.com/barackobama. In such cases you should look for links from other sites you have good reason to believe are official or would only link to an official site. The Google search www.heatherbarnett.co.uk -site:www.heatherbarnett.co.uk looks for pages saying "www.heatherbarnett.co.uk" outside the site itself. It may not find pages using a link text like "Heather Barnett". Google has a link: operator to supposedly search links but for some reason it usually gives few results like link:http://www.heatherbarnett.co.uk. If she had an offical website elsewhere then it might have shown up in a Google search on her name. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:39, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

persondata template per RfC

Hi, What does this edit summary mean (cats, remove deprecated persondata template per RfC)...I saw this in the Recent changes feed by an experienced editor using the same ? Thanks! Peppy Paneer (talk) 06:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Peppy Paneer! The RfC (Request for Comment) that the edit summary mentions is probably this one. I might be wrong, but I believe {{Persondata}} became deprecated because it didn't always categorize information properly, and that the data it provided is now in Wikidata (or is in the process of being moved there). CabbagePotato (talk) 06:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Correct, that is the relevant RfC.--ukexpat (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Use Names Containing swear words.

Hi teahouse, can you advise me on whether it is appropriate, more to the point acceptable I.e with in the guideline to use swearwords containing as User Names???--ThanksDominoooo's (talk) 07:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Dominoooo's! According to WP:U, usernames that contain profanity (swear words, etc.) are considered offensive and inappropriate. If you find such a username, you can report it to Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention. CabbagePotato (talk) 07:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but it isn't quite as simple as that. Many real names include or seem to include profanity. For example, the town in the UK "Scunthorpe" was, at one time, blocked by many online filters because it contains the string "cunt". If someone registered User:Scunthorpe, IMO it should not be blocked for that reason, and as someone who regularly patrols WP:UAA and issues username blocks, I think I should know. Similarly many invented names can be parsed as including profanity, but can also be parsed differently, and in such cases are often not blocked. But where the intent seems to be to offend or disrupt, a block may be issued, and a report to WP:UAA is a good way to get an opnion and any needed action taken. @Dominoooo's:, @CabbagePotato: DES ^(talk) 17:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Will we receive a notification or alert if someone tries to edit our page?

74.219.14.114 (talk) 15:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

No. But, you can create an account and start a watchlist; if a page on your watchlist is changed, it will appear on a list only you can see. You can even opt-in to be emailed when a page on your watchlist is edited.

You say "our page". no-one owns a page on Wikipedia, not even the article subject. If you're talking about a page about your company, organization or about you, please read our conflict of interest guidelines. If you're talking about a page you created, releasing your contributions to Wikipedia means your work may be edited mercilessly, deleted or altered beyond recognition. There is no way to stop someone from making productive changes. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 15:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not disallowed to create an article for your own company if it's notable and if you could conform to both conflict of interest, neutral point of view policies, and avoid puffery. But like Bilorv said, you can't explicitly claim ownership for articles you create. After you create the article, other editors can do whatever they want to that article as long as its constructive. -- Chamith (talk) 17:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

To add to what Chamith said. In COI cases, it is better to use the Articles for Creation process rather than creating the page directly. Happy Squirrel (talk) 18:01, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

How to appropriately edit an organization's page when I have a conflict of interest

Hi I am a volunteer for the non profit Partners in Health and would like to edit the section of the Partners in Health page regarding their work in Mexico because it is outdated and does not accurately explain what the organization does. I am new to editing Wikipedia and am trying to follow the guidelines of editing articles with a conflict of interest. However, there seems to be many rules and guidelines regarding how to go about this. How do I begin this process?. Thank you for the help. Aaron Levenson (talk) 20:46, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Aaron Levenson. You have made a good start by disclosing your conflict of interest. Please continue following the relevant policies and guidelines.

As for the section on the group's work in Chiapas, Mexico, it is unreferenced and now has several "citation needed" tags. I recommend that you find reliable sources describing the Mexico work, and post them on the talk page. Also, post your suggested wording changes on the talk page as well.

I have not done an in-depth review of the article, but a quick overview shows signs of a promotional tone, and large amounts of unreferenced content. Please be aware that unreferenced material can be removed at any time. So, I would devote a lot of attention to resolving that issue. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:29, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Location of the talk page tab

@Aaron Levenson: To add to Cullen328's answer, I would also strongly recommend raising your concerns on the talk page of the article you want to change. If you want to request specific edits to the page on the talk page, put {{request edit}} at the top of your request to indicate your conflict of interest and ask for the edits to be done for you. See Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects for more guidance. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 23:04, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your answers and help. I will begin to gather sources and post them on the talk page.Aaron Levenson (talk) 18:16, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

How (and if) to disambuguate (and help with article)?

Hi I created an article E. Roy John. It's only my 2nd article and only my 18th day here....

Two things: 1) I notice there is also a Roy John. That one is a Welsh rugby player. Mine is an American neuroscientist. But E. Roy John was known as Roy. So, do I need to disambiguate and, if so, how? I looked at WP:DISAM but didn't fully understand what to do.

2) Any other help with the article is appreciated. -- PeterLFlomPhD (talk) 20:45, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Actually, there are two existing Roy Johns, one in association football, one in rugby. That further increases the need for disambiguation. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

 Done - It is sometimes easier to ask an editor who is familiar with disambiguation pages to create one and for the editor to create one than for the disambiguation editor to explain how it is done. Look at Roy John and its source to see how it is done, or just ask again next time. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

How do I cite this news article?

http://www.dawn.com/news/48802/support-systems-take-care-in-small-communities Wasickta (talk) 20:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Copy and paste that, and put the related information into the spaces.<ref>{{cite web |title= X |url= X |publisher= X |date=X/X/X}}</ref> --Bobtinin (talk) 20:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Above the edit box is a row of tool buttons. If you select the "cite" button and then "news" and plug the URL into the box and press the green arrow "fetch" you will get this as a citation"

If you do some extra work and plug in some additional information manually, you can get

(DH appears to be "Dawn Herald Editorial Staff"? and so this is not a "news article" but an "editorial" and needs to be presented accordingly) -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 20:44, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

References

TheRedPenOfDoom, It may be by the "editorial staff" but that does not make it an editorial in the sense of an opnion piece. I would call it a "feature story" and cite and treat it as any newspaper article.

IMO the cite tool bar, like the reflinks tool, while producing a result far better than a bare URL, is not nearly as good as a human editor can do. DES ^(talk) 21:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

My text has been deleted again, but I am the webmaster and I got the rights :-(

I copied a text from our website sutoma.eu and pasted in wiki as a new article but it was deleted because of copyright issues. I am the webmaster of sutoma.eu and I got the rights to take any text from the site for publish on other online places. What should I do to create a wiki article about sutoma-project. Take a look on home-page on sutoma.eu. Could you please help? Thank you all. ArturJo (talk) 15:04, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Please take a look at the requirements for licensing content appropriately. But note that that's only one issue. Content taken from a company's website is rarely if ever of the neutral tone required for Wikipedia.--ukexpat (talk) 15:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, ArturJo. I will explain in a little more detail what Ukexpat has said. As the webmaster for that site, you are strongly discouraged from editing or creating any article about it, because you are likely to find it difficult to write in an appropriately neutral tone. If the site is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense - which means that several people with no connection whatever with the website have written about it and been published in reliable sources) then somebody may write an article about it based almost entirely on those independent sources. Material from the website itself, as well as being probably unacceptable for copyright reasons, is almost never appropriate in tone or content, and should not even be cited except for uncontroversial factual data. If you decide to try to create an article nevertheless, please read the links Ukexpat has given you, as well as conflict of interest, and then use the article wizard to create it. --ColinFine (talk) 23:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, new here!

I am coming across great difficulty on applying the required acceptable format for photo insertion and display upon a profile.😭 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xhanetab (talk • contribs) 18:10, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Xhanetab, welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, to prevent disruption, we typically require accounts to be at least 4 days old and have made at least 10 edits before they are able to upload images locally to Wikipedia. While your account has made more than 10 edits, it still less than 4 days old. Consider waiting a few days and trying the File Upload Wizard. Alternatively, if the photo you want to upload is your own work or is freely licensed, try uploading your photo to the Wikimedia Commons, one of Wikipedia's sister projects. Another option is to use to Wikipedia:Files for upload process. Before uploading images, please make sure you understand our image use policy—Wikipedia takes copyright concerns very seriously, and it is important you know whether you have permission to upload the photo. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 23:16, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Xhanetab. Your question is somewhat unclear. Do you wish to post a photo of yourself on your userpage? Or are you trying to add a photo to an article? We do not have "profiles", per se. This is not a social media site. John from Idegon (talk) 23:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

reliable sources

My draft about Ernst K. Zinner still in its formative stages has citations to Nature, the AAAS, the National Academy of Sciences, the Meteoritical Society, the NAS annual reviews etc. I hadn't gotten around to putting in all the footnote numbers, but it got knocked out for unreliable references. These are unreliable references?????Dlutz1542 (talk) 19:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello. I think the issue is independence of sources. Anything written by the subject cannot be used. However, the subject is clearly notable. I have improved and accepted the draft. Happy Squirrel (talk) 20:27, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and congratulations on the article. Sorry if my first response was a bit terse but some Real Life time constraints were starting to impinge. :) Happy Squirrel (talk) 23:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Redirecting

Hi, National Institute of Cardiovascular Diseases is redirecting to karachi. I found it on the article Lutfor Rahman and tried to Wikilink "National Institute of Cardiovascular Diseases" but got redirected to karachi. Is that ok ? Thanks! Peppy Paneer (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Peppy Paneer. It is an odd one - the National Institute of Cardiovascular Diseases is mentioned in Karachi, so I can see why somebody might redirect it. But because it has such a non-local name, it's quite likely that somebody who goes to that page will have a different NICD in mind, so it could be confusing. I would suggest requesting deletion of the redirection, at WP:MFD; but there may be a better solution I haven't thought of. --ColinFine (talk) 18:07, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

If there are multiple National Institutes of Cardiovascular Diseases, then a disambiguation page would be in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Ok... Thank you ColinFine & Robert McClenon... I would request deletion of the redirection, at WP:MFD Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

I retargeted it myself to List of hospitals in Pakistan. I think this is more relevant to the topic of the hospital in question than just the city in which it is located. Everymorning talk 00:23, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Help with wikicode in a table?

Hi, a friend and I are working on a table at User:Minfremi/sandbox#Syllabary and can't get the code to do what we want. We want a cell to span multiple columns and rows. Is this code correct? | colspan="11", rowspan="8" | Thanks. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 02:22, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sturmgewehr88, welcome to the Teahouse. There should be no comma. I have removed it in the table. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Moving an autobiographical article to user space

Hi, I tried to follow the guideline under this heading Page creation, illegitimate under WP:VANDTYPES section of Wikipedia:Vandalism for this page created recently - Lavender Shi, which is more of a personal information/introduction by the editor itself and I moved it to user - User:Lavender Shi. After that I tagged the original article in the main space Lavender Shi for speedy deletion under WP:R2. After that I went ahead to place {{welcomeauto}} on users talk page User talk:Lavender shi. The problem that I feel is User talk:Lavender shi should be the talk page of User:Lavender Shi. But that's not the case. Did I do something wrong ? Thanks!Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:02, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

• Just a thought, is it because of "s" and "S" in the letter "shi" ? Thanks! Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:05, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Yep - usernames are case sensative. I've put it in the correct place - User:Lavender shi. Yunshui ^雲_水 08:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Yunshui:, Yes got it...just saw the log. Thank you Peppy Paneer (talk) 08:18, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Need help with article creation

Hello, I've been referred to come here for help with my article. Basically I've set mine for review and it keeps getting denied, despite the fact that any issues with my articles have been fixed. The last person to review my article got a bit confused with the situation of my article, so he told me to come here. Anyways, I need to know if this article is suitable for creation Draft:PULSAR: Lost Colony. Thank you for any help, I'm just curious why I get denied even though the article is better sourced than articles of similar nature that are poorly sourced compared to the one I'm trying to create. --Bobtinin (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Bobtinin. When I look at your sources, they all look like blogs, YouTube videos, company generated announcements, Kickstarter pages and the like. None of them appear to be the kind of significant coverage in independent, reliable sources needed to show that this game for is notable, as Wikipedia defines that term. Since we have nearly 5 million articles, I am not surprised that you found some poorly sourced articles. We delete poor quality articles by the hundreds every day. However, we do not approve new poorly sources articles just because other poor articles exist. If and when your draft article has high quality references, it will then be approved. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:10, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hello, Bobtinin, and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft has multiple problems. First the tone is promotional. Text like: "Since then they have added an immense amount of features." should go. The sources are inconsistent. Remove the kickstarter links, they only show announcements by the developer, and do nothing to establish notability. Remove the Steam Greenlight FAQ, it has nothing about PULSAR. The Tom's Guide mention is a single sentence, it does little for notability. Double check the youtube links, probably most should go. Don't argue "X has worse sources, but it is a live article". At best this will cause someone to delete X. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Remember cites should be to reliable sources, and should mostly be to independent sources. see the golden rule and Your First Article. I hope this helps. DES ^(talk) 20:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Cullen:, several of the cited sources, like "Rock, Paper, Shotgun" and "Co-Optimus" seem to be legit review sites, not blogs, and probably reliable. DES ^(talk) 20:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback, I will remove that sentence (it did seem a bit dodgy to me, but I thought it right since it's had a lot of updates since release) and like DES said, those sites are legititmate, and the Steam Greenlight FAQ is essential to the article, because it shows that the game will later be put on the Steam Market because it was greenlit. Thanks for your help. --Bobtinin (talk) 20:21, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I had declined his submission on notability grounds, as stated. He asked me on my talk page why I had declined his submission. (I did agree that his comments about other articles were Other Stuff Exists.) There is a Help page for Articles for Creation to discuss such issues, but it is poorly watched, so I advised him to come here, where the Decline messages say to come anyway (and almost half of the notes here are questions about why AFC submissions were deleted). I thought that opinions of other editors would be helpful. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:24, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

This draft is about a game which has not yet been released. It therefore seems unlikely that reliable independent sources have written about it. Maproom (talk) 09:16, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Auto Ed and Auto Wiki browser

I can't use Auto Wiki Browser right now with less than 500 edits. Are both the tools same? Aero Slicer 05:37, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

No. Not at all. AutoEd usually makes small changes which often don't change the layout of pages. AutoWikiBrowser is very complicated and I've seen it used for everything from fixing typos to replacing categories. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual should give you an idea of what it can do. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 09:26, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Welcome committee

Hi TeaHouse, I have a new dilemma for you :) LoL. I'm trying to create a welcome committee template but am confused that it is asking me to make a Parameter but I don't know what to do.--Thanks. Dominoooo's (talk) 18:15, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, Dominoooo's. I am not at all clear on what you want to do with Draft:Subpage. We already have several welcome templates, and I don't think we need another. DES ^(talk) 19:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

yes hello again Des, so what I wanted to do was use a current welcome committee template which is {{Welcome to Wikipedia}} it is currently Automatically coming up with the person I welcomed like 10 welcomes ago. to stop this I had to keep pasting:- [Template:Welcome_to_Wikipedia Welcome Committee template] but then when it say's "Alternatively, leave me a message at my talk page" I am unable to put in a link to my Talk Page. I therefore thought I would have to create a parameter for this Template.--Dominoooo's (talk) 19:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Comment moved to correct section and <nowiki></nowiki> brackets added by Bilorv at 19:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Dominoooo's, What you should use is {{subst:Welcome to Wikipedia}} with the subst prefix. That will fix the template's effects on that page for good, and it will not change later. There is no need for a new page or a new parameter. DES ^(talk) 20:25, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dominoooo's, you are using Template:Welcome to Wikipedia incorrectly. Just write {{subst:Welcome to Wikipedia}} on a user's talk page as the documentation says. Then the correct name of the user and the link to your own talk page will automatically be added. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dominoooo's: I have now replaced your code and posted correct welcome templates with {{subst:Welcome to Wikipedia}} to all users you incorrectly called Candymon421. The new post names me instead of you and links to my own talk page since I posted it. That's OK. Please don't try to change the posts. I think you are too new here to post welcome templates. The template says the user can contact you if they need help but you haven't learned enough yet to help other new users. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:31, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, thank-you kindly for all the help.--Dominoooo's (talk) 10:59, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Changing company logo

Hi. I am trying to change my company's logo and have been able to upload the new file but it always reverts back to the old file no matter what I try.,.

I am a member of the group authorized to make such a change.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Tadiran2015 (talk) 07:42, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tadiran2015. You appear to have managed it, but please note there is no such thing as a "group authorized to make such a change" and you have a conflict of interest in editing that page at all. Please read and follow our advice here - Arjayay (talk) 08:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tadiran2015, welcome to the Teahouse. By "authorized" I guess you mean your account is autoconfirmed and therefore has permission to upload new versions of files. You are right about that. But when a new version of a file has been uploaded, articles already using the file may continue to show the old version for some time unless they are edited or "purged" (see Wikipedia:Purge). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

thank you for your response.

Yes, I did manage to change the logo, but it resulted in the rest of the page being deleted.... My question is - are there no marketing managers who are maintaining their company pages on wikipedia? In order to have the rest of the content (which really wasn't much and was fact, not opinion) restored, what do i have to do? What do other small to mid size companies do about this? I appreciate your in put. Tadiran2015 (talk) 08:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The material was deleted because it was too promotional in tone. And no, marketing managers are not supposed to maintain "their company pages". In fact they are not "their" pages, they are Wikiepedia's articles about their companies. Because of your inherent conflict of interest, please use the article's talk page to suggest further edits. Thank you.--ukexpat (talk) 12:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Why was I blocked on the Indonesian Wikipedia?

So, I was repairing some double redirects, and in the process, I went on the Indonesian Wikipedia, and that created an account. Later, I was checking my global account info, and apparently I'm blocked indefinitely because my username was not approved. I don't know Indonesian, so I used Google Translate, and I'm wondering if I was blocked because my name was reminiscent to the name of a vandal. Is there a vandal on the Indonesian Wikipedia that has a name similar to mine? I'm confused. TVShowFan122 (talk) 14:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

While we do have editors here who are competent in Indonesian (pinging @Crisco 1492: in case he can help), the editors and admins here at en-wiki don't have any control over what goes on at the Indonesian version of Wikipedia. Your best bet would be to ask someone there, thought I appreciate that's difficult when blocked; presumably you still have talkapge access there, though? Yunshui ^雲_水 14:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

It's OK if you don't know. Maybe if Crisco notices this he can help. TVShowFan122 (talk) 14:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

I am confused. The OP says that they don't know Indonesian, but they went to the Indonesiann Wikipedia anyway to use Google Translate, and then created an account and discovered that they were blocked. If they have a global account, why did they create an account? I don't know what the policies of the Indonesian Wikipedia are, but, on this English Wikipedia, creating an account when you have a global account would have to fall within the permitted exceptions about sock-puppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Special:CentralAuth/TVShowFan122 shows it was the OP's main account. It was created automatically when they viewed an Indonesian page, and then blocked without making any edits. They used Google Translate afterwards to try to find the reason for the block. The block links to id:Wikipedia:Nama pengguna#Nama pengguna yang dilarang which based on Google Translate is a general list of reasons a username may be disallowed. @TVShowFan122: id:Pengguna:Stephensuleeman says the blocking admin knows English so you could try asking at id:User talk:TVShowFan122 with a signed post including [[Pengguna:Stephensuleeman]] (a userpage link) to alert the admin. But consider whether it's worth the time if you have no plans to edit there. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:46, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: That was exactly what I meant. I have no plans to edit there, but it felt a bit weird, so I asked. I also feared that I may be blocked on my main account. I think I was fixing User:6ahodir, which was a redirect to another username, which itself was a redirect to an Indonesian page, which was, again, a redirect. I corrected both English wiki versions. Thank you all. I don't think I'll ever return to that account. TVShowFan122 (talk) 17:47, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Oops, that was not User:6ahodir, it was another page. TVShowFan122 (talk) 18:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

how do i respond to the page MFD Miscellany?

how do I respond to User:Guy Macon regarding Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Edna Marie O'Dowd (2nd nomination)? Ftomberlin (talk) 18:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ftomberlin. Draft:Edna Marie O'Dowd appears to have been nominated for deletion by Guy Macon. The best way to respond to the nomination is to add a comment at the deletion discussion page, which can be found at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Edna Marie O'Dowd (2nd nomination). Simply head to the link I bolded, read the comments there, and, if you wish to do so, submit your own comments by editing the page, as you would on any discussion page. If you are still confused, please ask a follow-up question here and we'll be glad to clarify anything. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 19:30, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, it was closed as speedy keep. Read it anyway though, it will give you a nice example of discussion. Happy Squirrel (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Happysquirrel: The last MfD closed as speedy keep, there's now another one at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Edna Marie O'Dowd (2nd nomination). Joseph2302 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

My bad. I guess I should have looked more closely. Thanks! Happy Squirrel (talk) 19:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Received tag that article has multiple issues

I was wondering if you could help me identify where this article needs secondary source material, as it pertains to notability. I also see a note about “fluff or self-serving citation”, can you help me identify where the editors may feel that exists in this article as everything stated in here is based on fact and cited in the footnotes. Most all from a secondary source. Thank you. Article name Lori St John Galaxygirl0505 (talk) 13:50, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello Galaxygirl0505, welcome to the Teahouse. First and foremost, the Lori St John article is currently nominated for deletion—please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lori St John for discussion, feel free to add your own comments to that page. The question that notability asks is whether or not secondary source coverage about the subject exists. Those who are saying that the article should be deleted are arguing that secondary source coverage does not exist. In general, Wikipedia articles require significant coverage in independent, secondary sources. While some of the sources you've provided in the article may be secondary source, to show notability, the source have to be about Lori St John. Sources which discuss another topic, such as wrongful conviction, and only mention Lori St John in passing do not contribute as much to notability. A lot of the sources currently in the article appear to be like that (but it should be said that I only made a cursory glance). I hope this clarifies a few things. If you feel that there are good reasons why the page should be kept, I would encourage you to voice them at the deletion discussion, but be aware that the outcome of the discussion is judged by the merits of the arguments, so be sure to back up any claims with links to evidence, such as notability-showing sources you find or Wikipedia policies and guidelines. For an overview of the Wikipedia deletion process, check out Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask them here. Best of luck, Mz7 (talk) 19:57, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Help others

How can i get a permission to help others create userboxes , or help shaping user's pages. Work as CreatorElf?

Ras Benjih/^RasTalk 06:57, 16 August 2015 (UTC)