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November 3

im having issues finding my draft article

I tried to write an article "College Hockey Bluebloods" and it was pushed back to me to make further edits but I can't find it yet. Can someone help me find it? Jackmar1 (talk) 02:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:College Hockey Bluebloods. Folly Mox (talk) 03:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Help with transcluding a section to a new article

I recently have been editing the List of campus radio stations, which covers multiple countries. The United States section has grown to dominate the listing by at least a 4:1 ratio and could possibly grow another 50 percent. For this and other reasons, I believe the section warrants its own page, as is the case with the List of campus radio stations in Canada (a much smaller listing). Using the Talk page, I have alerted the most active editors to the possibility and only one has responded, expressing their support. Hence, I would like to proceed with WP:Splitting. Originally, I thought this would entail a simple procedure, but after reading through the main topics and help pages on the subject, I'm stymied. Is there admin or other assistance available for doing this? BTW, I also would like to use a slightly different name for the new page: List of college radio stations in the United States. Allreet (talk) 02:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Follow the instructions in WP:PROPERSPLIT (steps 1-5 should suffice in this case). Just transfer the US list to List of college radio stations in the United States, noting in the edit comment that this comes from the main list for attribution purposes. Then do a bit of cleanup and add a hatnote in List of campus radio stations like others already there. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Wonderful! I read this procedure before, and because some concepts are relatively new to me in terms of hands-on, the "headspinning" got in the way. With your assurance, I believe I can get over that. I'll follow the step-by-step as necessary and do the best I can. If I have any doubts about the end result, I'll ping you here. Many thanks. Allreet (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Pointer needed to guideline regarding adhering to established terminology and characterisation

Hello, after spending some time browsing and searching, I figured I'd better ask an expert who can point me to the editing guideline, or MoS article, which states that text of WP articles should adhere to established or universally adopted terminology and characterisation and avoid deviating from it or inventing something new.

Many thanks for helping out with this. 188.66.32.240 (talk) 10:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:No original research would be the place to go. Clarityfiend (talk) 11:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Attribution after splitting problem

Hi, following the WP:SPLIT procedure I added diffs and version IDs to Talk:Concorde histories and aircraft on display using Template:Copied. In both templates 'this version' is linking to the current pages and not the versions that were used. Hopefully an easy fix, thanks. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 13:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Fixed it by just using the 10 figure number from the URL. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 14:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Can I edit or write an article about a thing I made?

What if I do that, but don't do any self-promotion or other stuff like that? Gnu779 (talk) 13:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:31, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gnu779 Please read the whole of the box at the top of your Draft:Pelles C very carefully, including reading all the linked pages. Writing articles to Wikipedia standards is quite difficult and I think the main problem is that you will have difficulty finding independent sources. This essay is worth reading. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Uploading SVG replacement

I'm learning how to use Inkscape, so I figured I would practice on some WP images that have been flagged for vectorization. Vectorification? Anyway, this file seemed like an easy enough one to start with. I've created the SVG and am ready to upload. The instructions strongly imply that I should "improve" the file here first, then move to Commons. But when I go to "upload a new version of this file", I am stymied because it won't let me change the file type (or even the file name, which is also not great). So... what exactly am I supposed to do? And, thinking about this further, the current image looks like crap because it was shrunk as a non-free image. Well, that's great but my SVG could be expanded to the size of a billboard. So, which is it? Is it a non-free image that should be kept tiny and used under fair use - or should it be converted to a vector so it can be scaled up infinitely? Matt Deres (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Matt Deres If you now have a good .svg for that file, I'd be inclined to upload it to Commons via the Wizard, giving it a suitable name with file extension .svg. The existing file is a .gif and can't be renamed as an .svg. Once you have placed your new file into Cincinnati Celts, that old .gif can be marked for deletion on en:Wikipedia, as we don't need it any more. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd be inclined to do that as well, but I stupidly did the work before realizing that the file had been flagged as being fair use - Commons doesn't accept fair use images. I made the new file myself, but if the image is copyrighted, I don't have the authority to release it. Like, this is also an SVG file, but it's flagged as being copyrighted and so is not suitable for Commons. Don't get me wrong; I doubt anyone is going to come hunting down WP for infringement of a logo for a sports team that was defunct a century ago, but I want to do the right thing as well. Matt Deres (talk) 21:17, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

But the Image page uses {{PD-textlogo}}, which says that for reasons of simplicity, it cannot be copyright, and so is in the public domain. This means that you can upload it into Commons with the same justification. ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

question

how to create a page on wikipedia David.trajchevski4 (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

It is the advice of myself and many other editors not to create a page on Wikipedia until you are well-versed with such concepts as the Manual of Style, notability guidelines, and sourcing guidelines. Consider joining a WP:WikiProject, or otherwise doing suggested newcomer tasks to gain more experience. However, the bare minimum requirements to create a page are to have at least 10 edits, and an account age of 4 days; failing this, you can use the wizard at Wikipedia:Articles for creation to create a draft, which will be reviewed by more experienced editors before being published. Welcome to Wikipedia! Departure– (talk) 17:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Article cleanup help

This article from si.wikipedia.org si:උණවටුන මහා විද්‍යාලය, a school, looks more like a school website page rather than a wiki article. If this page was to be in the english wikipeia, what would be the changes done to this article? As in what will be removed based on what criteria and such. No guidlines regarding these exist on the si.wikipedia, so im trying to bring it upto en.wikipedia standards. Pls help VihirLak007^hmu!/_duh. 20:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm having trouble getting the page translated, but the list of subjects, the school song, and the vision/mission would all likely be removed from EN.wiki. The alumni would all need either a valid wiki-link or a reference to support notability. Matt Deres (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

In other words, a conflict of interest. That will need to be resolved beforehand. 2601AC47 (talk|contribs) Isn't a IP anon 22:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I need help to move 3 redirections i created and delete the 4th.

Move these 3 redirections from Kosovar to Kosovan (missspelled):

Category:Kosovar brands to Category:Kosovan brands

Category:Kosovar drinks to Category:Kosovan drinks

Category:Kosovar alcoholic drinks to Category:Kosovan alcoholic drinks

and

Delete this redirection , (NATO didn't bomb the whole balkans, lol) - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nato_bombing_of_the_balkans&redirect=no

If you can help, thank you. Leutrim.P (talk) 22:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Leutrim.P Hi, the first three are categories, you can use Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy, criterion C2E: Author request, possible requesting redirect rather than deletion of the old pages.

For the fourth you can use Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G7. Author requests deletion. TSventon (talk) 22:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Sice you dont want to help, thanks for the response and references you made. Leave it like that i dont have time to deal with a redirection for years. Leutrim.P (talk) 23:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

After looking at your talk page I noticed that you appear to have a great interest in anything Kosovo. And while it is great that you like your country, you need to remember that Wikipedia is only interested in information that can be found in reliable sources.

The three categories that you are talking about have been recommended for speed deletion. So I don't think that it would be wise to rename categories as they are being deleted. I would first deal with the speedy deletion before thinking about the renaming.

And as far as the NATO related request, just be cause they did not bomb all of balkans does not mean that they bombed it. It would be like saying Nazi Germany did not get bombed, cause not every inch of the land had a bomb land there. Do you see?

User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 22:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Correction, For the fourth you could use Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion, but other editors might disagree. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, there is another redirect NATO bombing of Republika Srpska, so perhaps Nato bombing of the balkans should be a disambiguation page, with Balkans capitalised. TSventon (talk) 23:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Actualy im totaly blind, where is the topic about reliability , i cant see it? can you?

If no one wats to help fix them, its totaly fine, i understand it.

Your vision is totaly unbased in this case, that redirection leads to the bombing of RF Yugoslavia (serbia and montenegro) which it doesnt have the whole big territory it had before 1990, so in this case you dont have a point, its a fraction of balkans only one country, so you cant pretend it bombed Europe if it bombed, Belgrade. You could say "Nato bombings in europe" not bombing of europe. It should be first lingualy correct, so it can be politically correct later.

I am an administrator in Albanian Wiki and contributions in there were related in similar topics in here, thats why. I have a big list of things to do and didnt have enough time to make good articles here, which i might do in the future. I dont think there is anything wrong in writing about Kosovo, Abkhazia or even Australia. Everyone can find a place in their best field where are better prepared for. Ex. Im not so good in physics.. Leutrim.P (talk) 23:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Leutrim.P I am trying to help by letting you know how you can get your issues dealt with. I am not an admin, so I can't delete pages myself. TSventon (talk) 23:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

You maybe an admin on a different wiki, but when you are on the English Wikipedia you need to follow the rules here.

Looking at some of your previous replies you appear to not be willing to follow the correct process. If you are unwilling to follow the correct channels you will not get very far without issues. And the editor that responded is trying to help, by telling you the correct way to do it. The Nazi Germany bombing was an example. You also have to remember that we don't have the same background of the topic as you may have. There is nothing wrong with you writing articles that you want as long as they are:

1. Written from a unbiased view
2. Are properly sourced
3. Are notable

User Page Talk Contributions Sheriff U3 23:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Sheriff U3, we often handle requests for querants at this venue, and using arcane processes has very little to do with follow[ing] the rules (for example, misplaced or malformed requests are often corrected by editors experienced in the relevant process). We usually only straight up refuse to help people directly if: it's something we don't want to do / think is a bad idea; or, it's Srbernadette asking for someone to fix trivial citation template parameter errors for the umpteenth time.

If fielding requests at the Help Desk, I'd encourage you to aspire to increased helpfulness. I feel your comment above comes off as condescending.

In this case, it looks like the OP has created the respelled categories, and emptied the misspelt ones into them. The misspelt ones are already tagged C1 so this should see resolution in a week's time. Folly Mox (talk) 12:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)