I think the first photo should be delisted and Alt 1 is still in pretty bad quality so oppose both, and the 2005 explanation that "it is old, but so is the Colosseum" being poor reasoning which would definitely not pass in 2024. However, I think the photo has great potential and if a higher quality photo like a scan from Google Arts Project ever comes out, there is a chance it could be restored and I would support it. Wcamp9 (talk) 00:01, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I say Keep. FP criteria 1, 2, 3 have exceptions for historic photos, also criterion 5 says "A picture's encyclopedic value is given priority over its artistic value". This being a 1849 photo of a very notable person qualifies I think. I would support a "delist and replace" when a better version becomes available. Bammesk (talk) 02:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Rectangular version has long been extant and is widely used in publishing internationally. (Note: Chopin, one of the most prolific & influential of composers, was only 39 when he died of TB. Also, the bookcase in Alt. 1 is distracting.) – Sca (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delist — Below the current pixel target on both axes and blurry up close. As the alt shows, these aren't artifacts of the original photo, this is just a poor transfer. I'm not impressed by the alt, either, it's also a crop and I think the contrast is too much. This version shows a more complete version of the photo than either, but it's too dark and much too small. Moonreach (talk) 18:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Possible second photo-portrait of Chopin
Delist and Replace with Alt 1: Considering its historical value, I believe the poor quality can be excused. However, I believe it is worth mentioning that a second photo exists which likely shows Chopin.[1] ―Howard • 🌽3318:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have issues with that one, too. Firstly, the metadata page has a claim that it's not a photo at all but a crop from a painting, with a link to the alleged painting. Secondly, our copy doesn't match the one in the CBC article and has many strange details that make me wonder if it's been AI-upscaled from this copy. Moonreach (talk) 21:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now, I think. Many of the quality issues mentioned (grainy and blurry) are to be expected from an 1849 daguerreotype--this is not the era of Mathew Brady a decade or so later when there were nice standardized glass plates. There are other issues with the scan and crop, but those would best be addressed with a d&r, and there needs to be another version that can get consensus, which there doesn't seem to be yet. I am hoping that a better scan of this photograph (the other possible photos of Chopin are all of contested authenticity as well as lesser quality) will emerge, and then perhaps a restored version can be brought to FPC for a delist and replace. For now, I don't see a strong need to delist this one, which is of obvious historical importance. blameless05:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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