Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewel and Esk College

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jewel and Esk College

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There are no references and the college no longer exists after merging with two other colleges over 10 years ago to former Edinburgh College.

I don't believe it meets WP:GNG

I see Two Options, Deletion or Merge with Edinburgh college 1keyhole (talk) 04:49, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. 1keyhole (talk) 04:49, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:00, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I left a notification at Talk:Edinburgh College. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG. Note the former name for the same institution "Jewel and Esk Valley College". This is one of those community schools with hundreds upon hundreds of news articles over many years, most short. (Search proquest, for example, for the phrase "Jewel and esk valley college").
- 800+ words of SIGCOV in Management Services Journal which is a trade magazine with relatively standard practices [1]
- MSP visit, 187 words [2]
- 600+ words about shuttering a small campus [3]
- A bit of history in this obit [4], about 120 words.
- Some coverage in Nursing Times, paywalled [5]. Not sure how deep this coverage is.
- This list is not close to being exhaustive, as, again, there are hundreds of articles in total.

Given that notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY, and sigcov exists across several years, deletion would not be the best outcome here. A merge might be ok at some point, but Edinburgh College is not in the best of states at the moment either, so I don't necessarily recommend rushing it as part of an AFD. Long term this would slide nicely into a History of Edinburgh College article. —siro χ o 06:48, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The number of words spent on a subject is irrelevant towards notability. It is the depth of the coverage that counts. The Banner talk 12:01, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Banner, The number of words, while an imperfect measure, provides some "depth perception". While six words is not likely to provide sufficient depth, 600 very likely does. Many thanks to Siroxo for providing this useful information. — Jacona (talk) 00:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have to disappoint you in this matter. The Banner talk 09:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Banner, Indeed. — Jacona (talk) 15:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I know, but lots of words spent on insignificant issues does not help notability but a limited text about a significant issue can do so. The Banner talk 18:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

visits by Members of Parliament and Members of the Scottish Parliament to schools, colleges, and universities are quite common, and such visits do not necessarily augment the significance of these institutions. 1keyhole (talk) 06:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:02, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Appears to meet WP:GNG per above. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:29, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to meet the requirements per Siroxo, however no strong opinions between keeping it and merging into Edinburgh College or making a History of Edinburgh College article. Those references need to be added to the article by someone though. - Indefensible (talk) 04:47, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I'd like more evaluation of the sources found and, hopefully, the decent ones added to the article. I'm reluctant to close as Keep a completely unsourced article. Also consider the nominator's suggestion of a Merge to Edinburgh College.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:22, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I've added references and improved the article, the article looks good now! Tails Wx (they/them) 06:10, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Edinburgh College. Half of the present article is about the campus (i.e. the buildings) and not about the institute. On the other hand Edinburgh College is missing a history section and info about it predecessors. The Banner talk 19:23, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.