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Wikipedian Vaoverland (aka Mark Fisher)

New talk page, older messages archived

Once again, older messages from my talk page have been moved to an archive. I DO NOT believe in censorship except in extreme cases, such as when someone is using foel language excessively. Generally, I remove No TALK messages even when some show me in a bad light. So, we have a track record in my archive directories of virtually everything that was ever said or done and covered there. Depending upon your perspective, these archive directories collectively are either valuable history, a collection of nonsense, or perhaps a combination of both extremes. Please do not delete, however.

Archive directories

• Message about my admin election are at Archive 1.

• Messages prior to 4/2/2005 are located at Archive 2.

• Messages 4/2/2005 to 8/1/2005 are located at Archive 3.

• Messages 8/2/2005 to 11/1/2005 are located at Archive 4.

• Messages 11/2/2005 to 9/24/2006 are located at Archive 5.

• Messages 9/24/2006 to 12/16/2006 are located at Archive 6.

• Messages 12/17/2006 to 5/27/2007 are located at Archive 7.

• Messages 5/27/2007 to 6/28/2008 are located at Archive 8.

• Messages 6/29/2008 through 6/30/2010 are located in this archive directory (Archive 9).

NOTE: Images: Message from Vaoverland

New Wikipedia policies are causing many images uploaded correctly in this past to be revisited, and many notices to me which imply that I must act. I do not intend to spend time defending most of these, as I think other Wikipedians can do a better job with images, and I prefer to work on content, where I think I have more to contribute. Thanks to anyone who wants to help justify or replace images I uploaded in the past, all of which I feel were done properly copyrights-wise at the time. Mark Vaoverland 01:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Image request

Hello again Mark,

Don't know if you saw this image request. I thought that might be close to your neck of the woods - do you happen to have any shots of the hall?--Kubigula (talk) 05:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My bad. I didn't read the article carefully enough - I thought it was closer to you.--Kubigula (talk) 18:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

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USRD Newsletter, Issue 5

Apologies for the late delivery; here is the June edition of the newsletter.

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New Member, Interested in Improving the Petersburg article, & possible other

Hi Mark--

I am a new member--at least I think I am--interested in improving the Petersburg article, & afterwards very likely others.

I have been actively involved in research on the history of Petersburg for a number of years now, and I am an activist in Petersburg regarding downtown development, urban design, the arts, and preservation.

Recently I discovered how important the Wikipedia city articles are for a person comtemplating visiting a place, & by extension for a person contemplating moving to a place or investing in a place. Therefore, I have challenged myself to bring the Petersburg article and all related articles up to the highest Wikipedia stadards I can.

As a person formally trained in scholarship in the humanities, I am always highly conscious of the need for attributions, citation of sources, etc., and for balanced discussion. At the same time, as a scholar, I am used to citing original material. Since most that has been published about Petersburg's history is greatly flawed, this is a problem for me. Nevertheless, I expect that on the level of the history section of the Petersburg article, it shouldn't prove a terribly big problem.

However, I'm struggling with how on earth to make edits. The very most basic pages of the tutorials say "make edits" then "preview" the--but not how to make the edit. When I go into trying to change the text in the sandbox, I cannot figure out how to do it. Must be getting slower in my old age.

I'd appreciate some help getting started, & conversation as I go as well.

Dulaney Ward (talk) 17:47, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Ward: I am replying to you here on my WP Talk Page because I can see you haven't been using yours, yet. I am going to make a couple of comments and suggestions to respond to your message.

1. Start using your TALK page ASAP for messages. I am going to open it up for you and put on that page and your user page what we call a talk box to make it a little easier.

2. My first thought was that you have to bring to Wikipedia is very much desired and valuable. On articles like Petersburg, Virginia, we very much need people who know what history is accurate (and which isn't) and have a grip on what should be presented in an article, AND can properly attribute sources (since you need to show something other than your own knowledge, even if you are the official city historian (not trying to be sarcastic, although I assume you aren't).

3. The nuts and bolts of actual working the WIKI format for editing is something I have become real familiar with myself, but instructing others on stuff like that is not my strong suit. However, I think we can access better help for you than you have found so far. I shall seek some more along those lines.

4. If you are using MS Internet Explorer, I highly recommend the free ieSpell program. The link is IeSpell. I have a mild disability which makes typing correctly a little more challenging for me than for some people, and it is a lifesaver for me.

5. Please join Wikipedia:WikiProject Virginia. You will find some like-minded individuals who I strongly suspect will agree with Item 2 in particular, and will embrace your contributions. In particular, I am going to copy your message also to User:No1lakersfan who has family in Petersburg, has worked on history and local area articles, and can probably assist you in some areas I am not-so-strong.

6. Not everyone would agree with what I will say next, but, I think that content is paramount, so if you have good content and sources to add, getting it into the article is a part of WP work that others will gladly help you with. Adding internal links, etc, is called Wikifying, and lots of people can help with that sort of thing.

Please feel free to communicate with me and I hope we can open your lines to do so with other Wikipedians as well. Lastly, your name seems familiar to me; I worked with the school buses in Petersburg from 1981 to 1989. Does that ring any bells?

That's all I have time for right now, but I hope you are on the way to joining us in this great venture. 02:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Mark:

Thanks for responding so swiftly. I arrived in Petersburg as tourism director in 1984, so yes that rings bells. It's a small world. I thought somehow that I recognized your face. By the way, I was a long-term friend of Howard Brown, who has now passed away, although his widow is still living, & of Howard Brown, Jr., and his wife Darleen. Howard Jr. has inherited his dad's large collection of Petersburg images, & is taking a keen interest in it. Howard, Jr. & Darleen might well be interested in participating in this project. I have already recruited one friend, Michael Vaughan of Alexandria, who says he intends to retire in Petersburg shortly.

Since writing you, I tried simply to begin editing the text of the Petersburg article, & seemed to be having a great deal of success, before I had to go on a family mission this evening, which took until after midnight--so I haven't gotten beyond a preview, But I have little question now that I can do some rudimentary editing. I feel confident in working with the article in the manner you suggest in #6, writing & then running down the sources & entering them in the article, or "Wikifying" it. But of course I would appreciate any help with that I can get.

I believe I have joined WikiProject Virginia, & I shall probably join WikiProject City as well. Apparently it takes a couple of days for a new member of the project to have his/her name listed on the Wikipedians in Virginia page. But perhaps there is something I don't know about that I haven't done.

I have read the general guidelines for articles, & the guidelines for a city article, & will try to work the article out to the highest standards of these guidelines. I am almost anal about entering references, as I have read altogether too many histories that have no references at all, & seem to have been written off the top of the author's very fuzzy head.

Since I work for the City, many people bizarrely refer to me as the city historian, but I wince every time I hear that, because 1) it's only part of what I do, 2) there is of course not only much I do not know, but much I have not even thought of asking about. History is not something one recieves as from a priest, but something that has to be arduously wrested from the past on an absolutely continuous basis; it is exploration.

The flaws I have discovered in Petersburg's history are substantially found in the received history of the periods before 1800, and after 1865. But there are strange omissions even in the story of Petersburg during the Civil War, even in the story of the Battle of Old Men and Young Boys, the quintessential Petersburg story. But, again, I do not expect that I'll have much trouble writing the history with substantial attributions for what I say. And I'll find a way to keep it to ten paragraphs, as recommended, even that will be the hardest thing for me. (I see on the discussion page for the Paris article that the article had been knocked out of GA status, in part, because the history is somewhat more than ten paragraphs--although who on earth would complain about the history section on Paris of all places being too long? But I also see that New York's article, which has a history that does not exceed ten paragraphs, is ranked FA.)

Thanks again for your response. I'll take your suggestions to heart & begin implementing them immediately, beginning with trying to copy this entire string & place it on my talk page. Is it the custom to talk on one's page and to seek responses on the pages pf others?

Thanks again--Dulaney66.93.244.22 (talk) 09:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggested Revision of the History Section of the Petersburg Article

I have posted the following suggested revision of the history section of the Petersburg article on the talk page for the Petersburg site, & am anxious to hear your comments:

Here is a brief history of Petersburg that I wrote a while back for the City's Comprehensive plan, & I have over the years revised down to this size--this version for the R/UDAT application two years ago. I am placing it here for comment, since I kept finding myself in need of drastically revising the history as it now exists. There are no footnotes here, but I can easily provide them. I can see several ways in which I can improve this article, but, for now, comments, anyone?

Petersburg was not established as a town until 1748, but had been the site of Native American occupation and settlement for more than ten thousand years. Europeans first explored the area in the early days of May, 1607, prior to the settlement at Jamestown on 13 May 1607. The Appamattucks, who occupied the Petersburg area, were one of the most important peoples of the Powhatan super-chiefdom, because of their location at the southwestern corner of the Eastern Algonquian and Powhatan world, with Siouan speakers to the west and Iroquoian speakers to the south. European settlement occurred before 1620, then was pulled back until the 1630s, after the Powhatan uprising of 1622. By the 1640s, Bristol Parish was established along the Appomattox, and Fort Henry established on the south side of the river at the falls in 1646. Fort Henry became the center of Virginia’s most important trade with the Indians to the south and southwest of Petersburg, a trade which lasted into the 1720s, when the Carolina Colony finally succeeded in cutting Virginia off from the trade. By then, the entire south side of Virginia to the west and south of Petersburg, as well as the northern counties of North Carolina, had been opened to settlement, and Petersburg became the tobacco entrepot for this vast region, in effect the center of the North American tobacco trade, with fully one third of America’s exported tobacco flowing through its inspections. (As a corollary to this, the bay at the confluence of the Appomattox and the James became the principal Chesapeake entrance point for slave ships, at the end of the Middle Passage.) An important staging center for American troops in the French and Indian War, and then again in the Revolution, Petersburg saw the war come to it in 1781, when an invading British army led by Phillips and Arnold defeated American militia led by von Steuben and Muhlenberg on April 25. Cornwallis joined his army to this one in Petersburg in May (the third largest British army of the entire war) and launched the campaign that would prove decisive in the Revolution. ending with Cornwallis's surrender at Yorktown.

After the Revolution, Petersburg was chartered as a town in 1784, merging the former towns of Petersburg, Blandford, & Poachontas, as well as several suburbs. However, Virginia's trans-Atlantic tobacco trade was slowly but surely taken over by New York merchants (Archibald Gracie for example left Petersburg to live in New York for this reason), but transportation improvements (roads, canals, steamboats, and then railroads), commission merchant and auction activities, and manufacturing enterprises (flour mills, tobacco factories, cotton mills, and iron foundries) kept Petersburg in a leadership role, economically and culturally. In 1860 Petersburg’s population of 18,500 had been far exceeded by many northern cities, but was the second largest in Virginia, seventh in the Confederate states, and Petersburg was the Confederacy’s second most important industrial city. The first Petersburg rail line (the Petersburg Railroad), extending to Weldon, North Carolina, was the first interstate railroad in the nation. By the time of the Civil War, Petersburg had rail lines running to Lynchburg (and thence to the great southwest); to the east to City Point and Norfolk; to the north to Richmond; and to the south to Weldon and thence to Wilmington.

Petersburg played a major role in the debates about slavery and secession leading up to the Civil War, and its importance as a trading, manufacturing, and transportation center led to its designation as headquarters for the military department of Southern Virginia and North Carolina throughout most of the war. For that reason also, the war came to Petersburg’s gates in May and June of 1864, and Petersburg suffered the longest Siege in North American history, a long struggle between the armies of Robert E. Lee and Ulyssses S. Grant that not only effectively ended the Civil War but also effectively ended the institution of slavery in the northern hemisphere (with the exception of Cuba). That is certainly how Abraham Lincoln viewed it in the days after the fall of Petersburg on 3 April 1865, when he paid two long visits to the city on April 3 and April 7.

Petersburg came out of the Civil War damaged far beyond the norm of Southern communities—a larger percentage of her men killed and wounded, 800 buildings struck by shells, many savaged by fire, all business and banking and industry come almost to a complete halt. To make matters worse, Richmond as capital of the Confederacy rather more than doubled in population in the 1860s, and many of Petersburg’s leading citizens left for the now much larger population center, where all the action was. Billy Mahone, who had built the Norfolk & Petersburg Railroad on the eve of the war, and was one of the Confederacy’s most effective general officers during the war, stayed in Petersburg afterward and consolidated his railroad with the South Side and the Virginia and Tennessee. The last Virginia owner of a major railroad, Mahone had to involve himself with Virginia politics in order to effect the consolidation, and after he lost the railroad anyway in 1877, he led the Readjuster movement that allied itself with Republicans and black Virginians and took control of the state. This resulted in two major black state institutions coming to Petersburg, Virginia State University and Central State Hospital, and made Petersburg somewhat of an anathema to the Conservative elite of the state, with long-lasting results. Mahone served a term as U.S. Senator, and his Petersburg ally William E. Cameron as governor. But by the 1880s, the Bourbons were firmly in control, effected Jim Crow laws, and got rid of the back vote, in fact most of the white vote, putting the state’s government in the hands of a business oligarchy.

Part of this movement was an effort to develop professional, businesslike operation of the government, free of interference (or involvement) by the uneducated public. One feature of this in Virginia was the invention of the council/manager form of government, created in Staunton early in the 20th century, and adopted by Petersburg very early, in 1920.

The first three decades of the 20th century saw several other major developments. First, the advent of the automobile brought new demands for easier turning radii, smoother roads, and filling stations, resulting in the demolition of a great deal of historic fabric. Second, the automobile and trolley together brought suburbs to the north and south of the city. The suburb to the north evolved by 1950 into the independent City of Colonial Heights; Walnut Hill, to the south, was eventually annexed by Petersburg.

Finally, World War One brought Camp Lee (now Fort Lee), sleazy red light districts, and fluctuating but very important employment. The Petersburg National Battlefield was largely carved out of Fort Lee in the 1920s, and the fort was revived in the Second World War. The most recent BRAC will nearly double the base population at Fort Lee by 1911, and will perhaps add two more Army museums.

The second half of the 20th century has seen the construction of I-95 and I-85, running directly through Petersburg; abandonment and then revival of interest in the old Petersburg Harbor; rampant suburbanization; construction of first one and then another mall, costing the inner city most of its retail business; loss of most of the city’s tobacco manufacturing business, so long the centerpiece of Petersburg’s industrial base; and a very strong local Civil Rights movement that provided national leadership, leading locally to integration and then rapid resegregation.

Today, while Petersburg’s school system has reached a nadir, there are many signs of revival, powered in substantial measure by history, preservation, and the arts.

R. Dulaney Ward, Jr. (talk) 23:25, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Petersburg%2C_Virginia"

Thanks very much, Mark--
R. Dulaney Ward, Jr. (talk) 18:39, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Virginia Capital Trail DYK

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World less Petersburg equals a lesser world

Thank you for finding the time to write these articles. The encyclopedia is evolving, and is better than a simple search engine result. You have been in Petersburg and so know the story, that it has a place in an encyclopedia and for it your credits are well deserved. Sswonk (talk) 02:48, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Image source problem with Image:Pc5268 venetian islands.jpg

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• • corrected with cc-by-sa-3.0,2.5,2.0,1.0|GFDL Vaoverland (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

The map in Virginia Capital Trail looks great, and thanks for the tip about User:Hlj. The bureaucratic aspects of the VA Wikiproject are pretty weak, but we are very fortunate to have a great group of editors - veteran and newcomers alike - adding some very strong content.

I've been doing more admin stuff over the last several months, but I think I'm going to try to do more actual writing. I like to do a mix of things, but the article building is definitely the most rewarding part of contributing here.

It was good to here from you, and I hope we bump into each other soon.--Kubigula (talk) 03:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(P.S. Did you ever decide what you wanted to do about the Jamestown article? There seems to be general support for a split)

There are no bots that I know of, but there are some editors who seem to have a good system for starting lots of stubs. I made a request to User:AlbertHerring, who did an awesome job starting a whole bunch of stubs on unincorporated communities in VA.--Kubigula (talk) 04:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Maps

As I work on various articles about Virginia, I seem to frequently come across Civil War related content and often encounter your outstanding maps. I find the detail and quality to be inspirational in my own efforts. Having just had another such an experience as I plodded through some less-than-exciting work about some of our smaller communities in the mountain region, I just wanted to pause and take a moment to thank you again for your energies in sharing your talent. Thanks. (now back to work!) Mark Vaoverland (talk) 07:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome, Mark. Thanks for the compliment. Hal Jespersen (talk) 22:42, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

HI (sorry 'bout the spammy note),

- DYK updates have been a bit slow and there's a bit of a shortage of admins actively involved. We are asking folks who listed themselves on Wikipedia:Did you know/Admins to update details on this page - User:Olaf Davis/DYKadmins, so we can grade everyone's involvement (and who, knows, someone may want to get involved more :) ).Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

First Families of Virginia

Hello, I was trying to do a bit of tinkering on the FFV piece. Would much appreciate if you could let me finish before making changes. Many thanks.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Also, I think the Wyndham Robertson book needs mention in the piece, as it's the first genealogy of Pocahontas, a seminal figure in Virginia history, particulary of First Families of Virginia.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake: it looks like my work on the FFV piece was eliminated by another user, to whom I have directed my comments. Thanks.MarmadukePercy (talk) 21:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Yes, I can see that you do your best to honor the contributions of others. Much appreciated. As a Virginia native and former journalist, I enjoy contributing what I can when it comes to 'God's country.' :-) I hope we can work on other pieces together in the future. Regards, MarmadukePercy (talk) 22:16, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, I reverted that person's edit (and left them a message questioning it). But because he began editing before I was finished, the end product is now a bit jumbled. Sorry. I'll try to get it straightened out later this evening. Best,MarmadukePercy (talk) 23:42, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

USRD Newsletter, Issue 6 (FINAL ISSUE)

—Rschen7754bot (talk) 03:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

RE:Northern Virginia

No problem, I am also glad that we are improving the article. By 'Virginian portion' I am referring to the geography and population of the Washington and Baltimore-Washington areas, since I'm also not entirely sure about this usage I'll change it to 'Virginia portion'. I deleted the list of counties and cities in the area from the lead section because they seem to be included in both 'Defining "Northern Virginia"' and 'Demographics', and to make it less cluttered.--Old Guard (talk) 22:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The College of William and Mary

Per the instructions at WP:FAC, were you consulted about Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/The College of William & Mary? Do you feel it is ready to go forward? I see enormous WP:MOS cleanup needs, including complete formatting of all citations. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Shawn Hornbeck

You have to be kidding me. AniMate 09:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Now being discussed on AN/I. Bidgee (talk) 09:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for resolving the matter so quickly. No harm done. Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Glad this was resolved. AniMate 11:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Re:Virginia Beach

Thanks for that. -- MISTER ALCOHOL ^{T C} 16:11, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Spell checker

Thanks --Doc James (talk) 17:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Northern Neck

Hello again, how goes it? I was just looking over the Northern Neck entry and noticed that the history portion needs some work. I'll try to have a go at it when time permits. Take care and regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 20:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

William Nelson Page FAR

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Virginia Highways Member

Hello, as the new member of the Virginia Highways WikiProject, I looked for the userbox to add to my page. I couldn't find one, so I made one. As a member yourself, I figure you would like to have the userbox as well, so here ya go:

Code	Result
{{User:Neutralhomer/Userboxes/VAHighways}}	User:Neutralhomer/Userboxes/VAHighways

Take Care...NeutralHomer • Talk • October 11, 2008 @ 01:13

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Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel as One of the Seven Engineering Wonders of the Modern World

Mark,

I am fact checking an article about the CBBT and whether it was ever deemed one of the seven engineering marvels of the modern world. According to the ASCE site, it seems that the ASCE did not select seven engineering wonders until 1994. (CBBT did not make that list.) In 1965, the ASCE did name CBBT as an “Outstanding Civil Engineering Achievement”

I suspect that someone confused the two honors and that the misstatement has propagated to many websites.

Are you able to shed some light on this, or perhaps point me to a resource who can?

Charlie Mitchell CFMWiki1 (talk) 17:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The due date for this article is Friday October 24. Have you had any luck investigating this? Charlie CFMWiki1 (talk) 03:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

help or advice with Doc James

Hi Vaoverland, I'm at the point where I see nothing but a dead end in the Doc James med cab/adhd article. I've been compiling diffs of behaviour which could be used in an WP:RFC. What do you believe should be done? I've never filled an RFC and it looks to be a daunting process. If you feel that we have hit a dead end with no other options, I'd like to ask you if you would take part in the RFC. Let me know one way or another. Thanks--scuro (talk) 01:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

copied from User:Scuro's talk page

I think all efforts have been made and the attitude still has not changed. The RFC sure makes sense. I do not have experience with the process either, but will do whatever I can. --Vannin (talk) 02:02, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a lot more to add beyond what you have been seeing/reading from me in this issue up to this point in time. Despite the fact that I am a WP:admin, by choice I have no experience with RFC. Having retired from a high pressure job, as much as I can now, I find myself wanting to not have to deal with conflicts. Rather, I have tried to focus my WP energies on other areas. From my contributions list, you may quickly see that I work in a wide area of many articles. In doing so, my contact with contributors has been similarly very diverse. However, this is one of the more flagrant instances of an editor pursuing conflicts and what I label the "ownership" and "my way" behaviors I have come across. As I see it, with regards to our new editor, the "ownership" and "my way" approach he persists in using is in serious conflict with the the spirit of WP collaboration under which we ALL should be operating, whatever our professional or amateur credentials may be. I believe a major aspect of Wikipedia is our many and diverse, joint efforts. However, I think he dismisses that completely, and instead, seems to be thriving on the conflicts. Despite many suggestions, often presented very diplomatically, I see no improvements from him in that regard, none. This is probably because he doesn't feel that there is anything wrong with his approach. As long he is factually correct or not on any particular point, it is fairly clear that nothing else really matters to him. That makes him, in my opinion, unbalanced in an aspect which is essential to be a good Wikipedian. Sadly, I do not foresee any easy resolution. Vaoverland (talk) 08:09, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as I can tell it is a fairly stringent process requiring a lot of supporting documentation, validation of other supporting editors, and finally external scrutiny. In a nutshell, exactly the type of process I don't want to get involved in! Yet, I see no other choice beyond succumbing to manipulation which for me would mean quitting Wikipedia. Knowing your preference to avoid conflict, I'm asking if I go forward with the process and documentation will you validate the claim, in what looks to be fairly formal process?--scuro (talk) 11:33, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as the specifics of each reference you guys have had conflicts over and so forth, I haven't followed that part closely enough to be credible. However, the point I feel so strongly about isn't that, anyway. Not to be repetitive, what I find even of more serious concern at least to me is an editing style which rolls right over anyone else, and tosses verbal and functional snowballs while doing so. I think the record pretty clearly shows that, as well as lack of response to gentle nudges and even not so gentle nudges from many of us who have hoped to resolve this diplomatically. You aren't always right, of course. But I believe you, like most Wikipedians, are working in good faith, including demonstrating reasonable consideration of the feelings and interaction of others. I see that lacking, perhaps deliberately, in the editor we are so frustrated with. I am willing to participate in that regard, although it isn't hard to see, which I believe is why others who have attempted to mediate are also not having any success. Thanks goodness this sort of thing is rare (at least in my experience) on Wikipedia. Vaoverland (talk) 12:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

help needed to certify James's RFC

Your help is need to certify Jame's RFC. This can not happen without your support and must be done within 47 hours of this post.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/All#Uncertified_user_RfCs
• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Request_comment_on_users

That would be done on the RFC page, link bellow. Simply edit this section add your name and sign.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/jmh649#Users_certifying_the_basis_for_this_dispute --scuro (talk) 15:24, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

An RFC will discontinue if you don't validate it in 48 hours from the time it was started

Hello Vaoverland,

This is not at all a perfect process. When reading about RFC's they tell you that those judging have a short attention span since they go through so many. So I simply laid all the transgressions down and made it as accessible as possible. Yes you are right in your observations about DJ. Just the sheer volume of edits, deletes, and citations make it hard for even the most diligent contributors to keep up. Mix that with a host of behaviour transgressions and you just want to throw your hands up in the air. It could be a very sophisticated form of censorship or simply manic editing. But how do you show that to others who really are not going to invest a lot of time into this? They would have to read threads and look at edit summaries and spend a lot of time trying to understand exactly what went on. Instead I simply focused on the transgressions that were easy to document. Is it a bit one sided...sure, but there are obvious things that happened on that article that shouldn't have happened. By shining a light on this, in the end I hope that we will get the same end result as if someone actually full understood what was happening. Do take some time to look at the filed RFC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/jmh649#Users_certifying_the_basis_for_this_dispute

You will see that I quoted you directly from DJ's med cab opening statement. That is under the Cause of concern section, subheading ownership issues. It sums up the whole problem pretty good in a few words. But now, without your certification, this RFC will closed down in about thirty hours from now without anyone actually considering the RFC complaint or what happened. That would be a shame because things can't stay the way they are.

All you simply need to do is click on the link below. And sign (put the four tiles down ) under Vannin to certify the RFC. Two other contributors are needed to file an RFC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/jmh649&action=edit&section=5

It would be much appreciated if you certified the RFC.--scuro (talk) 05:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, a few things, very brief, I am at work and busy. My job is so pesky when I'd rather spend time on WP. <gr>

• 1. Thanks for the second wake-up call heads-up, somehow missed your message 1st time.
• 2. Seems well written and kept brief, goals you mention.
• 3. You may have to keep me alerted like you just did if I should do something.
• 4. This guy could actually bring a lot to Wikipedia if he would be a team player. I also think he is enjoying tweaking your nose, and if he enjoys that type of "fun", he should seek it outside Wikipedia.
• 5. Lastly, if all this continues to be finding no resolution, you may want to consider backing off for a while, put your energies into something else on WP. It is likely your conflict is currently fueling him. No fun fighting alone, maybe he will lose interest and/or grow up, and we can all work to fix stuff as needed later. You may have noticed I am limiting how much of my time I spend on this single article/conflict, look at my contributions if you want to see what I mean. But, I always watch ones I step back from, and often revisit later. I shouldn't speak for others, but I beleive KAT also uses such a philosophy, and gets good long-term results.
• 6. BONUS: If you like my TALK box (see my page) I a can easily make one for you and put it on Your talk page, really help me keep my new messages moving to where they belong on my talk page. (It was a a gift to me from a fellow Wikipedian a while back. I am just offering to share that gesture of friendship and convenience with you). Its real easy for me to do.

Good luck on all this. That's all for now, gotta get back to work on my paying job. PS I copy stuff like this onto my talk page for archive purposes. Vaoverland (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your thoughts and yes, hook me up to the box.--scuro (talk) 05:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Re the Jmh649 RfC and Scuro

Vaoverland, Jmh649 called my attention to the RfC and I've reviewed it and what preceded it to some degree. I've been watching Scuro off and on for roughly a year, and looked back into his contributions to the ADHD articles. He's a single purpose account and it is ironic to see him accusing another editor, who only recently began contributing, of WP:OWN. He has steadily pushed those articles in a certain direction, over a long time, and it's done damage. He's been particularly hard on clinicians, i.e., on those who are expert on the topic, compared to the general public and most Wikipedia editors, I have in mind User:Ss06470, Dr. Simon Sobo, who is also a published author. Experts, as you may know, often have trouble on Wikipedia because they encounter disrespect for their knowledge that they are not accustomed to; often they become uncivil. I'm concerned about the behavior of Jmh649, to be sure, he came in like gangbusters, though I'd agree with his assessment that the article was in poor shape (though I hadn't looked recently and wasn't following his edits), but don't see him as the only problem here, nor do I see RfC as the way to deal with him, at least not this early on. He's a very new editor, and could be a very good contributor, with proper guidance. The RfC contains material that I consider will rebound to Scuro's harm should this matter proceed up to ArbComm. I'd be happy to discuss this; but my purpose here is to suggest that you encourage Scuro to withdraw the RfC while, at the same time, concerned editors and administrators such as yourself help keep these editors within guidelines and working collaboratively. --Abd (talk) 04:38, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I am giving thought to your comments. We are in sync on several aspects. I am very much for collaboration and respect, and both these editors have fallen far short of what I would hope to see. I don't know either of these editors, nor had past contact. I do not wish this to escalate or continue. Be assured, I have not suggested or encouraged Scuro in initiating a Rfc against Doc James nor vice versa. I agree with you inasmuch as I strongly suspect that a close look by the arb comm may result in some criticism of each of them. What I would like to see is an end to all the wasted energy and damage to Wikipedia that has gone into this squabbling. I would also like to see Doc James mature with Wikipedia and grow out of what I perceive as an WP editing style that would translate to an abrasive and arrogant "bedside manner" in his work setting. Perhaps (and I hope this is so), what I am seeing is his reaction to this particular conflict and not his normal pattern. In a medical setting, a professional would back away if possible, and let someone less emotionally motivated handle things. He could still take that step. I already urged Scuro to do so. Sadly, neither has, at least up to this point. Vaoverland (talk) 06:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Abd, is not a neutral party at all here. He used to control the page like Jmh has done recently. I'm surprised that he stepped into the middle of this and didn't find a more suitable person to intervene. I disagree with his characterizations and judgments, and rightly or wrongly, I see him as a new disruptive element. It would probably be better if others advocated for me on my behalf at this time and that I step aside. Let me know what you think, and what should be done.--scuro (talk) 06:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Vaoverland, inasmuch as I have a "case," I'll rest it, based on the comment above. (I'm certainly not neutral in anything other than intention, were I an admin, I'd not touch those buttons in respect to him, because I'm involved.) It's odd that Scuro describes my activity with ADHD as "control." That's what he's done for a very long time, as an SPA. However, Scuro, if he follows up on what he just said he will do, is acting rightly. Since he wrote that, he's only edited his user Talk page, see cumulative diff of his Talk from then until now. His no-contact request of me is typical; indeed, I think he's requested this before, and I'd have been more reluctant to comment on his Talk if I'd remembered that. I noticed yesterday that he's got a reference to me on his user page, I'm almost certainly the one who pointed out that he is a single purpose account (not "single account user" as he seems to have remembered it). His response to that is, as well, diagnostic. In any case, I hope you can provide him with some guidance, he's certainly not open to taking it from me, and now he wants to vet another editor, User:Una Smith, who is also offering him good advice, which I can infer means that he's looking at the situation in terms of sides, and he wants to make sure that she's on the right side. It shouldn't matter. Good advice from an enemy is still good advice. (A glance at Special:Contributions/Una Smith and User:Una Smith shows that Smith has an interest in medical topics and would have the WP medical project, where Doc James asked for help, watched. So Smith is a neutral editor who is trying to help. Not just James, the project. Smith intervened neutrally, with similar posts to both Talk pages, Scuro and Doc James'.) --Abd (talk) 16:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Sigh. Now this. I was asked to look at the RfC by Doc James. I'm certainly not stalking Scuro. I wish I'd been, in fact, i.e., paying more attention to his edits, I might have been able to head much of this off, that's what I'd done in the past, and that could be why he's so much interested in keeping me away, though, I'm sure that there are other, more personal issues. --Abd (talk) 17:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

ADHD mediation

Vaoverland

Many thanks for taking an interest in the ADHD related pages. Mediation would be very helpful. The primary issue is about weather or not ADHD is controversial and if there are other views other then the bio-psychiatric one that deserve to be discussed / commented on.

The second issue is one of referencing. If something is say published in the British Journal of Psychiatry can the authors work be discounted just because some call him a member of anti psychiatry? The final one is the insults on both side. Two of the editors have insulted my University aswell as a number of my friends. They all make numerous subtle insults of me. I have unfortunately responded in kind and also with a fair bit of sarcasm.

I am happy to change my behavior but regardless of the first two issues are dealt with. We need to have a discussion about weather or not ADHD is controversial, which if you look back have been dealt with a number of times before.

If any editor involved in this process then goes against this consensus and continues to remove well referenced source or tag them then their ability to edit on Psych pages should be banned.

Let me know what you think. Doc James (talk) 08:22, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

I'll comment here, with Vaoverland's permission, I assume. There are two kinds of issues here: content issues and behavioral issues. Scuro is a single purpose account, with a narrow focus, and an agenda, fueled by his childhood trauma, see permanent link to his user page as of today. His agenda and zeal can make him useful to the project, but it also can make him dangerous if he's allowed to wear away other editors. With a little attention and cooperation among more neutral editors, it's not hard to resist that and to, thus, channel his energy into what is productive: he will restrain efforts to imbalance the article toward fringe or minority views. The problem, of course, is that he can go too far. For example, in his zeal, he treated the views of Dr. Simon Sobo, a psychiatrist in private practice, as if they were fringe, when, in fact, they represented internal criticism within the mainstream. Sobo, like many, is concerned with the overprescription of drugs for ADHD patients. I have ADHD myself, take controlled substances to ameliorate it, and share the concerns. Sobo prescribes those drugs when he considers them appropriate, and not merely for convenience, As should any doctor.

The content issues can be resolved with only a few editors paying attention and resolving disputes, heading off edit wars. Do not edit war, never treat a minor imbalance in a Wikipedia article as an emergency. In general, you have made too many changes too rapidly, this creates a bias toward mass reversion by editors who can't digest that much so quickly. Slow down. Try to focus on one change at a time. If you want to massively restructure an article, do so cooperatively, in a draft, which can be placed in your user space, for example, or in the user space of some neutral editor, I'd be happy to host it.

The behavioral issues can be resolved, again, through the attention of neutral editors, or sometimes even of involved editors (I'm clearly involved, I've been accused of attacking Scuro in the past and at one point it seemed he was preparing to file an RfC on me; as I recall, I advised him, through an editor he considered friendly or neutral, that it might be suicidal, and he backed off.) In general, he backs off when skillfully warned. You may not be the best person to assert behavioral problems on the part of Scuro, I'd advise, for the moment, avoiding that entirely. WP:NPA essentially advises blowing off insults. Let others who are neutral deal with them. And this should include insults to your "friends," as you have alleged have taken place. I haven't followed much of this, yet, but I assume that represents the dismissal of what should be reliable sources as insignificant. Again, that's a content issue and the incivility involved is minor and really moot. It was probably preposterous, i.e., wouldn't stand for a day if asserted in the presence of experienced editors and in connection with a content issue. Hence the advice both you and Scuro have received: focus on the edits, not the editors. "Edits" means article edits. Use Talk to explain yourself or to question others regarding edits, but don't get stuck in it.

My own interest on Wikipedia has often been editorial process and this necessarily requires me, from time to time, to comment on editorial behavior. Increasingly, I do this only when I consider an editor must be restrained to avoid damage to the project or the community that manages it. When necessary, I can't block anyone, I don't have and don't want admin privileges, but I know how to get it done; except it is rarely necessary with registered editors, and when it is necessary, it will not be only my own task; Don Quixote, here, gets himself blocked quickly for damaging the windmill blades. This is not a place to be the Lone Ranger, standing alone against the forces of deception and bias. That, indeed, is a rough characterization of how Scuro views himself (he's free to disagree, but he's pretty much admitted it on his user page as cited above), and is how he gets into trouble. Turns out, there can be more than one Lone Ranger, with different ideas of truth, justice and the American way, to mix metaphors all over the place. Let it go. Trust the community, and learn how to communicate effectively with the community. You've got a lot of it right. I see that you are responding to criticism, seeking help, avoiding escalation of personal disputes (now, not necessarily then), etc. Keep it up. To mangle a quote from a friend, actually she was an M.D., "And the reward of patience is ... patients." Fix the spelling. Enjoy. --Abd (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Back to editing

1)Will work on the spelling. I enjoy editing much more than conflict and hope we can all move back to editing.

2)Would be great to get one of those talk page boxes.

3)With WhatamIdoing and Abd paraphrasing my concerns hopefully they can be resolved.

4)Many thanks for your patience on with these matters.

--Doc James (talk) 09:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Next step

Looks like Jhm and I are on the same page and ready to move on. Check the last few posts on the rfc. Your input is needed at this point.--scuro (talk) 12:03, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Michael Vick

Welcome to the ranks of those of us who have been working on this article for 18 months or more. I must respectfully disagree of the characterization of the lead as a "meandering mess." Per WP:MOS, with an article of this size, the purpose of the lead is to summarize it, not include any information which is not covered in equal or greater depth within the article. It should be comprehensive but not go into too much depth either.

As it is currently written, it flows logically and chronologically, although we may be coming up short on that final criteria, too much depth. However, we cannot accomplish the other goals with this lead in a single paragraph. That has been the result after numerous edits in the past. We have frequently had to re-edit for greater brevity as events have unfolded, and I suggest your efforts might be re-directed to that goal which would benefit the article. Vaoverland (talk) 22:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. In my comments, I do not wish to discourage your efforts in joining the WP team. I have had to put more effort in that article than most I watch, so my fuse may be a little too short. I will sure be among those relieved when the the changing events settle down. Please remember me as an administrator you may come to as you refine and deepen your WP participation should you have questions or need assistance. Best wishes for a safe and happy Thanksgiving holiday, Mark Vaoverland (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

You are right. I re-read it. You have bright-reddened me. ha ha I had only scanned it before. I does look like you have put a lot of work into it. I should have read it more thoroughly.

I very respectfully agree with its size and content.

I didn't mean to butt in like an upstart. I am new and sometimes forget about the good work people have done in the past.

I hope the section restructuring was okay.

Thanks for your cool understanding.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind offer of assistance. I will only give you a tinkle if I'm in a pinch. (No innuendo intended in that sentence. Ha ha.) A very happy Thanksgiving to you too.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

'Under Construction

You said I could come for advice, so here goes:

I made a page on my cousin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gelfand. I made it (as Wiki told me to) as a subpage of my user page and marked it 'under construction':

When it was ready, I created a page and pasted the text. I think I should have moved it. My mistake. Now, when I google 'James Gelfand' I see this on the first google page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anna_Frodesiak/James_Gelfand

It goes nowhere. My cousin may freak.

Should I recreate the subpage and put a redirect link? Should I give it time for Wiki to tell google?

Thanks.

(unsigned: added talk)

I think you had it pretty well figured out. It is likely that Google will pickup on your new Wikipedia article for him on their own. It will probably be ranked higher than the one which is a subpage of your user page they have now. One trick to make that happen faster is to visit it a number of times, since Google reacts to the number of times a web page is accessed.

Because restoring deleted pages can get tricky, I went ahead and created a new subpage for you which has nothing but a redirect to the James Gelfand article. I don't think you did anything wrong, and I don't believe you would have needed admin tools to do what I just did. Several thoughts:

• 1. You may want to delete the redirect page I just created after a while. I see no harm, though.
• 2. In the future, you can avoid this problem (unwanted Google hits) by giving your working subpage a name which is meaningful only to you (IE JGworking, etc.). Remember, your working sub pages may show steps you took in creation that you would just as soon not share. By being more discreet with your naming, you don't lead everyone to your working copy.
• 3. I noticed that there is James P. Gelfand with the US Chamber of Commerce who also comes up under a Google search. If and when he is notable enough to have an article, it will be desirable to do disambiguation actions (WP:dab). (I recently did that with the name Jackson Davis and Jackson T. Davis if you wish to see that process in action.

I hope all this helps. Mark, Vaoverland (talk) 23:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Perfect! Very helpful. Thank you.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

I always remember to sign, (exactly 3 seconds after I click 'save page').

...and yes, I would love the talk page box. Thank you for taking the time.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Kudos to you and the crew on the Vick page re-writes: It's a peach!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Got the box. Love it. Thanks very much.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:57, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Phoebus guy looking for info

Dear Mr. Fisher: I am wondering if you have any information on Roseland Farm which inhabited the site that would eventually become Phoebus or about the farm owned by the Fulton Family (Fulton Street and Fulton Farms Road bear the name of this family) which covered a sigificant part of the area. I am not sure if they are distinct or one and the same. Many thanks, Jay W. Walker JAWIWA2000@aol.com

ADHD

We are discussing if the therapeutics initiative can be used as a reference source. Would appreciate your input. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine#Ref_sources --Doc James (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

James Gelfand redirect

Thanks again for the talk box.

You kindly did made a redirect from the subpage to the James Gelfand main page. Trouble is, the main page still won't google even when I search James Gelfand Wikipedia. Just the sub shows up. I have since created a page on a different topic and that googled after 24 hours. My cousin is going to freak. Any suggestions? --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 10:30, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Perhaps I'll just give the boys down at Google a quick phone call. Ha ha. Just kidding. I will be patient. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the birthday cat!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 05:50, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Today, when searching James Gelfand, User: Anna Frodesia/James Gelfand disappeared, and James Gelfand at Wiki proper came up. All worked out. You needn't reply. This is just an FYI on how long google took to get it straight. Thanks again for your help.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:35, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Michael Healy Article

Good job on Healy article. As it is written now, I'm sure that it meets the requirements for an assessment for B class. Looks like good references. As a retired Coast Guardsman, all things Coast Guard are near and dear to my heart. My edits on the Healy article didn't have the references that your edits did and I can definitely tell a difference. Thank you for your editing job. I wish more of our Coast guard articles read like the Healy article. Cuprum17 (talk) 01:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy holidays in the Old Dominion

Hello, we haven't had the opportunity to work together again recently, but I appreciated your help in the past. I hope you and yours have a wonderful holiday in God's country. Best regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 04:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

You are most welcome. Take care, relax and enjoy your quiet time. It'll pick up again after the New Year. Best regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 04:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

File:Christmas tree.gif		Merry Christmas!
		MISTER ALCOHOL T C wishes you a Merry Christmas! Hopefully this one has made your Christmas better. Cheers, and Happy editing! MISTER ALCOHOL T C 05:03, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

New article

Hi, it's me again. I need your advice. Oh, happy holidays. I hope you had a good time and went easy on the turkey.

I am making a new page on hydraulic bridge scour. Could you please advise as to the article title:

Bridge scour Scour (physics) Hydraulic bridge scour

etc...

Also, could you recommend a template?

Thanks a bunch!!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:39, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: article title for bridge scour

I am way out of my area of knowledge, but based upon a quick google and reading up, I think you have it well-labeled as "bridge scour". If it is hyrdraulic action that some might be thinking of as "hydraulic bridge scour", a redirect to your bridge scour article makes logical sense to me. I hope that is helpful. Best wishes for the New Year. Mark Vaoverland (talk) 06:23, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Good sense! Should I make a page called hydraulic bridge scour or hydraulic scour and then make a redirect from there? Thanks.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:43, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

One final question: When I wiki search scour, it goes directly to an article about a search engine. Is it possible to have the word scour go to a disambig page? Thanks yet again.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Perfect. Very helpful. Thank you kindly.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that was me. I agree. Two entries for scour do not warrant a dab page. Thanks again. Oh, and thanks for the category. I forgot about those. I have since added others. Cheers!--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK. Cool. I had one of my articles appear there before, Kamilo Beach, but I had help. The info about it is huge. I will give it a try.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:37, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind compliment. That means a lot to me coming from someone with such a high wiki-stature.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Statistics

Just a quickie: I know there are stats on the growth of Wikipedia in terms of new pages. I am wondering if there are any figures on the growth of Wiki in terms of bytes, as this would more accurately show the growth of Wiki because it would include the expansion of existing articles as well.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Help!

Please see this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Final_Fantasy_Legend_name_translation_woes.2C_mk._II

There is an ongoing issue with Kung Fu Man over an edit dispute which is getting out of hand, and I'm fairly certain the user is relying on sockpuppets to make revisions to the article. Check the revision history yourself to verify this. Also, I've been receiving harassing comments and threats from this user and am not sure where to turn for help. Please get involved and try to act as the voice of reason. Thank you. 74.242.123.2 (talk) 01:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Mathews/Matthews

Hello again Mark, and Happy New Year!

I've come across something odd, and I wanted to get your take on it. We appear to have two quite well referenced articles about the same man, but with different spellings of his name and some slightly different facts - Samuel Mathews (Governor) and Samuel Matthews. I did a little bit of research, and it seems there is some doubt about the actual spelling (some even show Matthewes). I believe your knowledge and resources on Virginia history exceed mine, plus you started one of the articles, so I am coming to you. Any more information on this? Any thoughts on what to do with our two articles? Seems like we will ultimately have to do some kind of merge & redirect.--Kubigula (talk) 05:19, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I was aware of the use of both in various places. I believe that the spelling with the single t (i.e. Mathews) is the one we should use. This is the version used in most locals and state references and in the naming of Mathews County. I also think that the article name with "governor" is the better, because at some point, we will want to refer to his father, also named Samuel Mathews. I would suggest merging the information from articles into the one named Samuel Mathews (Governor). We could use redirects to clarify and get people to the correct information, such as it is. FYI, there is also some disagreement in sources as to whether the father or son was the governor, probably due to death dates (the son, who I believe it was, died fairly young). I have read some genealogy notes which support that with some documents and it is a fairly logical conclusion to reach. I feel no ownership, just so we get it straight for the good of WP. Perhaps you may want to take the initiative on resolving this. Vaoverland (talk) 08:34, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

rename?

Mark, could you help me with an admin thing? I uploaded a file "File:Chattanooga Campaign Supply+Walker.png" and I mistyped the name. It should be "File:Chattanooga Campaign Supply+Wheeler.png" and I can't figure out how to rename it. Thanks, and Happy New Year. Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:57, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

New Years Greetings! In response to your request, in attempting to do so, I have learned that "pages in the image or category namespace cannot be moved [and hence, not renamed]. To change the name of an image, one needs to upload it again, and copy the image description." Hal, it would be best if you do this yourself and then delete the earlier one which is named incorrectly. If you need me to, I will attempt to do all that, but frankly, you are more likely to accomplish it without and error in the licensing, etc. Please let em know if you want me to do anything more. Mark Vaoverland (talk) 04:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Mark. That seems like an odd situation, but I am never surprised by Wikipedia administration. :-) I have uploaded the new file and now the old file has nothing linking to it. Would you be able to do a quick delete on "File:Chattanooga Campaign Supply+Walker.png" for me, please? I am not familiar with the process for deleting files by a nonadministrator. Hal Jespersen (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Nasty vandal

There is a particularly nasty vandal loose on Wiki. What should I do? User:Rockyobody--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Never mind. It was just one inappropriate edit to Rod Blagojevich ‎which made me think he was randomly changing figures. Sorry to bother you.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 04:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

adult ADHD

hello!

I am also currently working on updating the adult adhd page. Seems to be quite a controversial subject! I know a few individuals who have and the impact on their lives are tremendous. Lots of garbage on the net, so I am trying to put out unbiased, uptodate information on this subject.

As a physician I have access to a lot of this literature and a bit of time at the moment to review it.

If you have any other good sources of info, please do not hesitate to send me a quick note! --CVZ (talk) 19:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

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Re: Camille

Hi Mark,

I did see your note. Real life is a bit hectic for me at the moment, and I haven't had time to do much here beyond sometimes checking my watchlist. However, I do hope to have more free time around here soon...--Kubigula (talk) 03:48, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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Defacement of Booker T. Washington Page

Sir:

I don't know how to fix or change Wikipedia pages but I noticed the Booker T Washington page was seriously defaced today by racist pranksters.

Roger Kent 67.161.160.193 (talk) 14:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Edward Stratemeyer image

Hi, Vaoverland --

I am working on getting the Nancy Drew article to FA status. I had originally wanted to use the image of Edward Stratemeyer that you uploaded at [[File:Stratemeyeredward.jpg], but I was told that I can't because it doesn't have author, date, and source information, and that I should ask the original uploader about that. I realize that you uploaded the picture a long time ago now, but do you have any information that can help me? Thanks, Ricardiana (talk) 01:11, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Regretfully, I don't recall anymore. Apparently it was taken before 1923, and I see it used in anumber of places, so may be in public domain ssomewhere. Many of the images like that which I found and used in 2004-2005 came from the Library of Congress. I sorta backed off on images except ones that I own after the rules changed, and I put most of my efforts into content. Good luck with it. Vaoverland (talk) 04:33, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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I need your advice

Hello Vaoverland. Do you remember me? Nearly a year ago I referred to your hard work on Michael Vick as a "meandering mess". I'm still sorry about that. I was new. I was young. I was foolish. Greener than Kermit was I. You were very polite and kind. Had you told me off, I probably would have left Wikipedia with my tail between my legs. But instead, I have been working hard on the project ever since. I am grateful for the way you handled it.

I need your advice if you are not too busy. I want to make articles for a couple of amateur Canadian high-altitude balloon experiments. One appeared recently on the Discovery Channel. These buggers get over 100,000 feet to the edge of space. Here are the sites: [1] and [2] I am perplexed as to how to name the things. Trouble is there is BEAR-1, BEAR-2 etc. All caps BEAR goes to bear. The acronym is for Balloon Experiments with Amateur Radio which is an awkward name for an article.

I was thinking of [BEAR (experiments)] or the like. I'm at a loss. Can you suggest something? Very much obliged if you can help. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 03:43, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Resolved

I guess you were busy. Thanks just the same. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. I am never discouraged. I hope you are all better soon. Take this opportunity to get out and enjoy the autumn. Here is a lovely blueberry tart for you. Best wishes from Anna. --Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I NEED HELP

In my government class im supposed to argue against busing students to stop resegregation? Do you know any evidence I can use to support my arguement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.199.227.50 (talk) 21:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Hello Mark, I like your proposed new lead for BTW. Booker T. Washington is too large to be made small by limiting his prominence to 'African-American' or even 'black'. He was an American, and should be appreciated as such. A second point: is there any way to revise the Google thread that follows BTW's name when searching for Booker T. Washington? It mentions his Atlanta Exposition speech as "the Atlanta Compromise." Isn't it, after all, unfair to apply a pejorative coined by an opponent (Du Bois) to such an influential speech? Consider also, that DuBois initially applauded the speech. Only years later, did Du Bois differ with Booker T. Washington's more conciliatory (not 'compromising') approach to solving racial differences. Too, I think it would be appropriate to mention that BTW wrote some 14 books, as well as countless newspaper articles and gave thousands of speeches. Ronald Court Liveandlead (talk) 04:05, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead a revised the lead, incorporating some of your suggestions. Please complete at least a brief user profile and you will be able to recieve Wikipedia messages. Thanks Vaoverland (talk) 05:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays

		Merry Christmas
		Your gift this year: A Fabergé Egg! Originally a Christmas present from King George V to his wife Queen Mary of Teck, then pinched by me from a museum in 1982, and used to hold the window open in my kitchen ever since. May your Christmas be white and merry. May your table have cheeses and lox. May the gravy be hot and double. May your presents be other than socks. Happy Holidays!! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

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Little Creek-Cape Charles Ferry

Could you please find some sound, third party sources for the information you added to this article re: J. Clyde Morris. The information needs to be verifiable to the reader, and you added the information without adding citations. E.g., Consideration was given to service between the Eastern Shore and both the Peninsula and South Hampton Roads. What are your sources for this? Thanks! 842U (talk) 12:13, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

How about "The initial feasibility studies for the Bridge-Tunnel also proposed a future bridge branching from the center portion of the Bridge-Tunnel to the city of Hampton, and this was never built." a credible reference source. http://www.roadstothefuture.com/CBBT.html#Ferry

I beleive that I have read the Hampton link considerations elsewhere also, although will have to do some digging to reconstruct if necessary. I have added the missing reference to the Little Creek-Cape Charles Ferry article. Thanks. Vaoverland (talk) 18:04, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Desegregation busing in Richmond

Hello Mark, I hope you are well. I am attempting to correctly understand some of the details of the way things played out in Richmond. The Wikipedia article states that Merhige's order was handed down in April of 1971... There may have been several orders over the course of a number of years, but I think a more prominent one was imposed two weeks before the start of the school year in August of 1970. I would appreciate a chance to talk to you about this (I'm working on a piece of fiction set in that era and would like to get some things right.) If you don't mind my email is sketner@hanover.k12.va.us Thanks! Sam Ketner —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.226.198 (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

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