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Do you just do driveby tagging or honestly believe them necessary?

Concerning the article Pucca housing and the tags you put on it. Do you honestly doubt the notability of a type of house that vast numbers of people have? Also, instead of just drive by tagging, if you a problem with an article you can easily fix it by doing a brief Google news search yourself. [1] Not that difficult or time consuming at all. Tags are almost always ignored anyway. Dream Focus 14:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I am a huge fan of "drive-by tagging" as it enables me (one of Wikipedia's most active copyeditors) to quickly triage issues and then go back to them at my leisure. I do this all the time. I'll do it to pucca housing as well, at some point, so long as it's still on my radar due to having been tagged. The "reference" you just added to said article while ripping the tags off has only the most trivial of content and uses the phrase "pucca houses" once. Unlike you, my aim in editing is to create high-quality articles, not just the bare minimum that may be required to pass an AfD. I'll be re-tagging it on my next pass if it hasn't improved. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 15:11, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

There are thousands of articles with tags already that no one ever gets around to, some of them having been on articles for years. Dream Focus 15:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

True, but there's no time limit. I routinely work through the old backlogs of tagged articles and try to fix what I can, which is work that wouldn't get done without tags. There is a firm consensus that tagging articles for issues is acceptable, and I'm happy that it works very well. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 15:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

"Works very well"? Not if people ignore the tags for years. And why add new ones when you already have a backlog that long? If people are interested in something, they'll visit the articles related to it, and edit whatever they feel needs to be edited. That's why Wikiprojects dedicated to every possible subject exist. Dream Focus 15:35, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

And I'd put it to you that if WikiProjects worked then we wouldn't have huge swathes of terrible articles in every domain. There are no silver bullets. Tagging is one tool we can use to improve articles. WikiProjects is another. I find that both work for me to different extents, so I use both when I can. And both are well-accepted by the community as a whole, which means that editors are obliged to respect them even if they don't agree with them. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 15:42, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Debresser's personal attacks

I also take issue with the arrogant slant of some of Debresser's inappropriate edit summeries. But but by highlighting this on his talkpage, I am "pouring oil on the flames". So I copy you in here. Regards. Chesdovi (talk) 16:16, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

2 other infoboxes that could benefit from conversion

I find Template:Infobox MLB player and Template:Infobox hurricane quite bulky - could you possibly try a conversion on them when you get the time? Thanks. Connormah (talk) 20:48, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

The former met the usual ownership problems the last time: I can try again of course. The latter should hopefully be easier. I'll see what I can do. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 21:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Sigh - probably best to bring it up on talk before proceeding with the baseball one, though I don't see why everyone is so opposed to the changes; they are not as drastic as they could be. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 23:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I agree to the face that the box loos bulky, but now after the edit, it looks more dull! Find a way to make it look attractive.--Anirudh Emani (talk) 12:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

That is not the point of infoboxes. The only visible change is to the font metrics, which match those of pretty much every other infobox on the enecylopedia. If there are no other objections I'll be pushing the improvements out again. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

One more, I lied. Template:Infobox Canadian school district if you can. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 03:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Saw that you had troubles with the hurricane one - this one shouldn't be too controversial. Maybe if you could bring it somewhere to Template:Infobox school? – Connormah (talk) 03:16, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

{{infobox Canadian school district}} done. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 13:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to New Orleans developers' meeting

New Orleans Wikimedia Hackathon

Hi, Thumperward. I'd like to invite you to come to the New Orleans Hackathon 2011. It's an opportunity for MediaWiki developers and Wikimedia operations engineers to come together to work on advancing Wikimedia's tools and infrastructure, focusing on Wikimedia Labs (starting with the dev-ops virtualization cluster), and to train and to squash bugs.

The theme of this event: "the infrastructure of innovation". We're going to improve and discuss the Wikimedia Labs projects infrastructure and other stuff that makes it easier for anyone to supercharge Wikimedia with awesomeness. We're going to work on our gadgets/extensions/tools support, authorization/authentication strategy, dev-ops virtualization, and general training and hacking.

It's mostly going to be dev sprints and bugsmashing, with some discussion and workshops. The event is open to anyone who wants to come and contribute, and is an opportunity to spend time with senior MediaWiki developers & ops engineers, write beautiful code, and learn about the latest developments.

If you can make it to New Orleans, Louisiana, USA, 14-16 October 2011, we'd love to have you. Please add your name to the attendees list. Thanks! Sumanah (talk) 20:23, 24 August 2011 (UTC) (Volunteer Development Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation)

Sumanah (talk) 21:17, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Nagios Changes

Did you read the Nagios talk pages before you changed it? You seemingly ignored the consensus and just gave all the vandals exactly what they (he) wanted by removing the one and only link to a major event in Nagios history. Funderburg (talk) 08:57, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Replying over there. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

The multiple links that were removed is because they are not relevant. They are claiming they are relevant because they are "based on Nagios". If we are going to link to everything based on something, should every piece of software written in python be linked from the python programming page? It is simply an attempt by these companies to promote their product. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.240.244.220 (talk) 21:27, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Thumperward. You have new messages at Template talk:Infobox hurricane.
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Template question

Hi Chris, I hope you're well. I have another template question: do you know what I'd have to type to reduce the width of Template:Infobox police officer, or to make it variable so I could adjust it on a given article? It's for Murder of Keith Blakelock, where it's taking up a bit too much of the lead. I've left a question on the infobox talk page, but no response, so I was hoping you might know. But as always no worries if you're busy. Best, SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 18:42, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think I may have fixed it by reverting a recent change. SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 18:58, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, was about to reply saying that I couldn't see the problem. :) Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 18:59, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I did it. I reverted to an earlier version that let me add the syntax for the width parameter. So now it can be adjusted on each article. I may have to award myself a barnstar. :) SlimVirgin ^{TALK|CONTRIBS} 19:10, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You will be need more help...

wrote previously...

Wikipedia List of superpowers article, need more superpowers

I have a real article that i work any moment and everyday with any pals... you have rights for use it for your convenence (except erase it or modify it) to show how many super powers exist in your article. Super Power List behind Wikipedia from Spanish Leanguage to english leanguage I work so much, and any pals too, dont destroy own article but almost try to add more super powers to your super power list. If my wikipedia in Spanish article is not without faults of orthography, you could read it without so much problems, Greetings. (This for your List of Superpowers. --Georgy (talk) 18:43, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

SplitfromBannerShell

Just FYI, I've removed the actual links (as opposed to the amusing transclusions that also show up as links) to the now-deleted template, but since I'm not sure what it did originally, I haven't tried to convert any of the transclusions. If you'd like help, do a couple so I can get an idea of what needs to be done and then post the diffs and I'll be happy to do some tomorrow if this is something particularly onerous. If it's something you can do quickly, well, you might be done by tomorrow...in which case, I'll just sit here looking good for offering. ;) – RobinHood70 ^talk 04:10, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

It worked like {{WikiProjectBannerShell}}, nesting a bunch of templates in a more compact way. This diff shows a conversion between the two (you basically just take each {{split from}} on a page, stick an incrementing number after the attibutes on each, and then remove the curly brackets between them). I've just done another one as well. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:48, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, for your next trick, tell me what I should have done here. The banner shell contained both {{Split from}}s and {{Split to}}s. For the time being, as you can see, I've just separated the {{Split to}}s out on their own. – RobinHood70 ^talk 17:39, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Yep, looks good. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 18:59, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Now in the holding cell. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 04:15, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

There aren't many left. Barring any unexpected problems, I should be done tomorrow. – RobinHood70 ^talk 05:01, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

(←) Okay, more or less done. Here's a summary of what's left where I'm not sure what, if anything, needs to be done with it (in the order it appears in WhatLinksHere):

Page	Description of usage
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion	TfD-related
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Templates	TfD-related
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Holding cell	TfD-related
Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell	Used in a {{Split from}}...as in, SplitfromBannerShell was actually split from this template.
User talk:Mehmet Karatay	TfD-related (notice of TfD)
User:Jwillbur/TemplateList	User-page list of templates
Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 August 14	TfD-related

– RobinHood70 ^talk 18:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Yep, should be good to go. Great work folks. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:36, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

AWB access

Please assist I'd like it back to help in categorizing album articles (which, as you can see from my contribs, I've been doing for several weeks now.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:41, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I've re-added you to the check list. I trust that you'll avoid doing things which will get your access removed again. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 11:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Infobox school

The code change broke the image parameter I had to change "Haines City Crest.jpg" to [[File:Haines City Crest.jpg|175px]] to make the image work. CRRays Head90 | ^{Another way...} 20:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. You should be able to undo that change now: I've fixed the code. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 21:12, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Jos Hooiveld

Thank you. Adam4267 (talk) 19:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Cleanup

Hi, I got your message about the emphasis stuff, and I will follow the style along those lines. I'm wondering if you know how to fix the main cleanup template, it has an unusual way of auto-categorizing the template pgs, in that it auto-categorizes /doc pages also (see Template:Cleanup/doc's hidden cats). It needs a type of "nocat" parameter to turn off the auto-cat on template pgs. Because the Wikipedia namespace isn't in the coding for category placement, the problem doesn't appear on the Wikipedia pages like WP:TMC, but I need some help to figure out how to stop it on Template pgs that shouldn't be categorized into the cleanup categories. --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:50, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Is that part of {{DMCA}}'s voodoo, perhaps? user:Debresser is a good person to ask about the intricacies of template categorisation. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 14:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'll ask him. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

You know what, I think Debresser is unfortunately blocked right now. Do you know anyone else that is good at template code? --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to bud in, but I was monitoring Thumperward's page, so I couldn't help but notice this. I've added a nocat parameter to {{Cleanup}}'s sandbox. Is that sufficient, or does there need to be something else? It's just implemented as an "if anything is passed to this parameter, it won't be categorized" style of nocat...I've seen both that and yes/no styles implemented here, but I can't find anything that says if one style is preferred or not. If that's good on its own, then you can just slap an {{editprotected}} template on the talk page and point them to the sandbox. – RobinHood70 ^talk 18:20, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think it worked on the test cases pg, because it doesn't show the hidden cat for August 2011. Thank you very much for the help, I'll put an edit rqst in. --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Template:User sudoku

Template:User sudoku, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User sudoku and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Template:User sudoku during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Bulwersator (talk) 08:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Jem page tags (Original Research and Tone)

You recently added both tags to the Jem TV series page, could you provide details regarding the offending sections on the talk page. Mitigating (talk) 01:25, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Will do. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:15, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

You can also just list them here, the article has been changed greatly in the last 2 months, are you just re-adding tags that were deleted in the past? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitigating (talk • contribs) 00:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

You have to help me out Thumper, If you added a tag it's faster to simply explain why then to have me read entire article on what the tag means (which are often vague and subjective) then search the article for possible violations. Mitigating (talk) 22:25, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay: this sort of slipped off my radar. Your recent work on the article looks to have been excellent: I'll try and pitch in with that when I can. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:58, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Miscategorisation

Check out the red links that you recently added to:

Unreferenced BLPs

(refresh)

Subtotals
December 2024	5
Undated articles	0

All articles

5

. This is caused by changes to {{BLP unsourced section}} which incorrectly allocates categories. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 02:55, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Those categories would have been populated previously, so it's not clear that it's miscategorisation. THose pages just need to be created. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 06:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Image size

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User:Bruno corinthiano

Hi there CHRIS, VASCO here,

regarding this "user" (there is a discussion on him at WP:FOOTY in the current page), the following: he has already served two blocks (but the second was shorter than the first, go figure), and his mostly used anon IP (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/177.0.204.119) has also been blocked, for a week.

Now, the latter has returned, and resumed his "deeds" (unexplained box/intro removals, sometimes when bits were ref'd!), notably removing the ENGLAND B stats in Michael Owen. I have reverted him, and i'll add that i requested a checkuser to see if the anon addresses were the same as the acount Bruno C, turns out it's not possible in those cases. No checkuser needed my friend, i know they are THE SAME, simple logic.

What can be done, considering he edits from a very large area, Brazil? Can the main anon IP be blocked? I know it can, since it has already, but indef? That would surely be a hoot... Attentively, happy weekend - --Vasco Amaral (talk) 22:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

We don't indefinitely block IPs. I've had a look at the recent contribs from that IP and most of them appear to be okay: this removal of sourced content was a bad idea, but it would be better to explain to the user that we still consider B and C internationals to be useful additions to the infobox if sourced. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 09:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

?? I could provide nearly 100 diffs showing both that IP and Bruno Corinthiano removing box captions, B international stats in box, etc (even if not ref'd, he has no business removing things without explanation, and he has received TONS of explanations and warnings, including in his - mine - mothertongue). OK, the anon IPs are not "indef-blockable", but the original account? I see i get "no cigar" here or anywhere, i'll handle the vandal my way, but i better be careful or I'LL get blocked instead :( --Vasco Amaral (talk) 10:11, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I get your point. Is that the only IP from which this user has edited? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 10:23, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

At least these (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Bruno_corinthiano). The one i presented to you in my original message is by far the most used. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 12:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay. In that case, issue a final warning to the Bruno account regarding the removal of sourced content and post a link to it from the IP talks. If any of them make another edit to remove sourced content where they've clearly been warned before then I'll indef block the account, at which point any IP editing can be taken to SPI and will be acted on as block evasion rather than fishing (which was how your last SPI report was apparently interpreted). Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 12:42, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. Much as it cost me, i sent a 100% polite message, and provided it both in English and Portuguese (lest he does not understand the former). Let's wait and see... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

He continues! This player (see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papiss_Ciss%C3%A9&diff=450826746&oldid=449857376) left his previous club in DECEMBER 2009 (hence the 2004-2009 in box), he changed it! I give up... --Vasco Amaral (talk) 18:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

And more...nearly 30 more edits after the one mentioned above, he does as he pleases! Has had almost everything reverted by User:Struway, who has also warned him. --Vasco Amaral (talk) 17:54, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Sigh. The edit to Papiss Ciss is theoretically excusable on the grounds that the move was part of the January transfer window. I wasn't going to block based on an edit which wasn't clear-cut. The removal of Barry Bannan's well-sourced B cap in this edit, however, is inexcusable given his editing history and I've blocked the IP for three months. If you see edits from other IPs, or if he starts editing from his account again, please raise a simple SPI stating that this is block evasion and it should hopefully a) establish formally that there's a relationship between these accounts and b) put an end to it. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 08:52, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Block button required...

Here... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:01, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Not yet: check the timestamps. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 14:05, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Ok, my mistake. I would have thought, given your warning, you would have reverted the changes you warned him for... sorry about the mixup on the times... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:09, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Paul Pogba

I don't know if you can do this, but can you please un-salt Paul Pogba now that the players meets WP:GNG having made his professional debut today. Thanks. — JS^{Rant Away} 20:23, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Done. MOTM in a pre-season versus Ayr United in the summer: he'll be some player. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) - talk 20:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)