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Shaam-e-Gareeba

Do you have any idea on what to do with this article? I thought I'd ask you since you're a shite Muslim. I thought it could be AfD'd since I cant find any sources talking about it but you might know better. Before I blanked this page, it was a copyright violation of another website. Someone else told me about it so I'm passing it on to you. Feel free to AfD if you like. They're giving a suggestion that it could be redirected to Day of Ashura. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 09:07, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Since there's no content on it (everything was a copyvio), I just redirected Shaam-e-Gareeban to what you told me: Mourning of Muharram. Please proceed as you think is appropriate. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 06:29, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

GA Review for Aaron

This is a reminder that you tagged this article with the {{[[Template:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]}}</noinclude>).

Thanks. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Good to see you back!

I saw some of your edits on my watchlist. Good to see you back :) --Be happy!! (talk) 06:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

expanding Muslim military history task force

I have been reelected coordinator and brought up the old discussion about expanding Muslim military history to the present day. This has been an issue raised by Muslim editors when the task force was founded. It would be great if you could help expanding the articles that present what makes Islams treatment of war effect especially the Muslim warfare. I have been reading a bit on the topic and can help you with advice, but feel myself not confident enough with my limited knowledge. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Would you please...

Salam Alaykum

Would you please substitute image:Ismaili flag.svg with Image:Panjetan.jpg in Template:WikiProject Islam which is fully protected. Thanks.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Of course the copyright situation of the new image should be checked. I found this on the web but I couldn't find the main source or the copyright situation of it.--Seyyed(t-c) 14:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Salam Seyyed,

The picture used at the template is Image:Shahada.svg and not Ismaili flag.svg. Is there any ongoing discussion regarding the pictures? -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 17:21, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't want to change the main image. There is an image for Shia task force. It's name is Ismaili flag.svg.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:25, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 03:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Ali

IMO the article falls well short of the Good Article criteria, for the reasons outlined on my talk page. This relates to the substantial unreliable source usage and the general skew of the article I perceive when reading it. Regards, ITAQALLAH 22:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Ali

Salaam Seyed,

Eid shoma mobarak!!! The reason I added the "According to Shia tradition" was not to emphasize its being Shia. Just meant to add the "according to the tradition" part. I didn't notice that the source is not Shia. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 07:17, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I will try to add as much as I can in the coming days. Regarding Imam Ali being the first to believe in Muhammad, it might be good to mention that Ibn Ishaq, the first biographer of Muhammad, mentioned this. Later biographers like Tabari mentioned the three differing stories of Imam Ali, Abu Bakr and Zayd of being the first in parallel. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 07:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that there is no need to go into details; a brief mention that some of narrations do not place Imam Ali as being the first would be enough. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 08:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad in Mecca

Dear Seyed,

Happy Nowrouz! Thank you very much for the very useful comments. I agree with you that it has a lot of problems. --Be happy!! (talk) 07:04, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Can you please let me know the source for the quote: ""Typical of this perspective is the attempt to understand the prophet true his circumstances, education and type of genius..." I am thinking of explicitly adding it to the article. --Be happy!! (talk) 07:10, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Seyed. I'll try to address the points you raised as soon as possible. --Be happy!! (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Hallo, I have moved the Allah-GAR to the article's talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Allah#GAR:Allah --Be happy!! (talk) 05:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Systematic bias

Hi Seyed,

My latest proposal is here [1]. --Be happy!! (talk) 01:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your observation. --Be happy!! (talk) 03:45, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Ali article assistance

Hi Seyyed. Thanks for inviting me to help out with the Ali article. I would be glad to assist :) MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 13:00, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I still want to copyedit Ali a lot more. I will place the inuse tag at the top of the article, though. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:17, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Featured list and template

Walyakom salaam, nice to see you again. I certainly will pay attention to the list. Also, I need you to help me discuss this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Shia_Islam#Redesign_Controversy --Enzuru 07:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Do you think it's a good idea to add the quotes? As per: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/Twelve_Imams --Enzuru 07:22, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I can send you an e-mail. What is your address? --Enzuru 19:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

User:Auawise

is retired [2]. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

GAR: Allah

Hello! Yes of course I would be glad to give the article a look-over. Peter Deer (talk) 14:56, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I was wondering what the current status is for the GA nomination. Thanks, Majoreditor (talk) 05:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification to my previous question. I was also wondering if you would share your thoughts on what aspects of the article's prose need improvement. It will be best to add those comments to the article's talk page. Once again, thank you very much. Majoreditor (talk) 16:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

userpage

hi seyed ! your userpage doesn't seems to be ok with FireFox--mardetanha(/\/\ ()[-]$[- /\/) (talk) 01:06, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad

Hi Seyed,

A user named User:Mahmoud123 is repeatedly inserting this edit to Muhammad article . I am really desperate. The additions make no sense to me. Please take a look at [3]. Can you please help with that article. Thanks --Be happy!! (talk) 06:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Salaam Seyed,

Of course I agree that the article lacks theological views, not just Shia but also the way historical incidents are interpreted in the light of God's names(just as when the Qur'an mentions something ends it with "And God is ...". --Be happy!! (talk) 07:24, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey Seyed,

I think it might be better not to get involved into the Shia-Sunni dispute much in the Muhammad article itself. What happened after the death of Muhammad may be summarized in a few sentences but these details seem to belong to another article. Also, you know, if we mention one detail, some may argue that we would require mentioning another detail e.g. that Abu Bakr led the Friday prayer. I just feel this may not be a good place to discuss these in detail... it may turn into edit-war I am afraid... --Be happy!! (talk) 07:32, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Seyed,

I am making some changes and am doing all my best to make the article remain stable and acceptable to everybody. If you do not agree with some of the changes, I am completely open to discuss them on the talk page. Best, --Be happy!! (talk) 07:58, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Question

I want to summarize and add the following text to the "aftermath" section: [4].

Before adding it, I however have a personal objection to it: I may be wrong but your addition may present Ali as a greedy person who is after money and properties. Before adding the section, I wanted to discuss this with you and then add it. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:05, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Seyed,

I will definitely add the issue of Fadak. See I added this back [5]. But before that I would like a similar sentence saying Ali was asking for the ownership of Fadak because of something. For example he believed he could use its money for poor; do something for the Muslim community, etc etc. That's what I am looking for. Just to say that he wanted it puts him in a negative light and we know of Ali's life style wasn't greedy nor did he pay any attention to the worldly possession. I'd rather to add the sentence together with some explanation. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

See this is like the issue of successorship. Ali felt a responsibility for guiding the community/ not that he liked being a ruler; he wasn't unhappy that he couldn't rule; he was unhappy that he could not serve; because he cared about the Muslim community. I think this distinction is very important to be made. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

See, being for economic purpose is vague because one can interpret that he wanted to have a luxury life. Believe me, that's what comes first to mind of those who do not know the personality of Ali and his simple life-style.

I think it would be injustice to him to say that he insisted on Fadak without any clarification about what Ali thought of worldly possessions. In fact, we should explain what grand charity project he had planned in mind with the money of Fadak. To simply say that he insisted on having Fadak without any explanation would, I am afraid, either makes him look like greedy or immature. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

If you say it was political, then it can mean a lot of things. How was it related to serving God? That's the whole point; saying anything beyond it would be injustice to Ali. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:34, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Seyed, you are more familiar with Shia sources. If you can find one that talks about Fadak in a way that a person who doesn't know anything about Ali wouldn't be misled and then we can summarize it. As of now, please let's keep this section [6] out. Thank you very much in advance. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:40, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Ok. I read the link. I must say, for that explanation, we need to go into details. What is at stake here is not Fadak, it is the position of ahl-al-bayt. So, it wasn't for the money of Fadak; this was symbolic. Now, I think it is hard to summarize it in a few sentences. But if one can faithfully do it, we can certainly add a few sentences about it. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I also disagree with this addition:"The conquests led to absorption of Sasanyd empire and eastern part of Byzantine empire into Rashidun empire and the eventual conversion of the majority of Jewish, Christian and Zoroastrian peoples to Islam." as it may mean that the conversions were forced. --Be happy!! (talk) 08:50, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I do have problems with your proposal. ", Fatimah, and al-Abbas asked Abu Bakr to turn over their property" - Turn over property to do what with them?

"became angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude until she died." - Why did she become angry? Because she cared about the ownership of the land and the wealth? Or because it had a symbolic meaning, not just possessing it? Or because she wanted to do something Godly with the land? --Be happy!! (talk) 09:09, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Seyed, let's discuss this later if that's okay. I am very sleepy now :P --Be happy!! (talk) 09:22, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Good! Just a suggestion. Maybe it would be good if you check it with Sunni editors before addition. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I added Abu Bakr leading the prayer per WP:NPOV policy. Hope you don't mind ;P --Be happy!! (talk) 10:17, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Review Ali

Salaam,

I will take a look at it ASAP. No, unfortunately I have not read Motahari's book.. Best, --Be happy!! (talk) 00:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad

Seyed, what do you think of replacing

"According to Madelung, Ali himself was convinced of his special capabilities to serve the cause of Islam"

to

"According to Madelung, Ali himself was convinced of his special capabilities to serve the cause of Islam; in one instance, Ali publicity invited those companions who had heard Muhammad's statements in a placed named Ghadīr Ḵhumm during the farewell pilgrimage to testify on the square in front of the mosque of Kūfa."

Also, we add a sentence summarizing the following quote from Madelung:

In the lifetime of Muḥammad , his close kin enjoyed a raised religious status of purity recognised by the Ḳurʾān . As his kin (d̲h̲awu 'l-ḳurbā), there were counted the descendants of his great-grandfather Hās̲h̲im and, to some extent, the descendants of Hās̲h̲im's brother al-Muṭṭalib. They were, like the Prophet himself, not allowed to receive or to handle alms ( zakāt ) as these were considered unclean. In compensation for this exclusion they were entitled to receive a portion of the k̲h̲ums, the fifth of war booty reserved to the Prophet, and of the fayʾ [q.v.], property which fell to the Muslims without war effort. After Muḥammad's death, the establishment of the caliphate by Abū Bakr on the basis of a privileged position for the tribe of Ḳurays̲h̲ as a whole, and the confiscation of Muḥammad's property, deprived the Prophet's Family of the special status, as they were disinherited and lost their title to their Ḳurʾānic share of the k̲h̲ums and fayʾ . The Banū Hās̲h̲im vainly protested against these developments by refusing to pledge allegiance to Abū Bakr for six months. The disestablishment of the Family of the Prophet after his death was the ultimate motive for the rise of the S̲h̲īʿa.

Instead: We remove all the additions to the Farewell pilgrimage (because there is a wiki-link to ghadir khum above) and the Fadak related stuff (because it is a symbol of the changes Madelung is talking about in the above paragraph). Also, I suggest we remove the terminology and definition of "Seyed" because while true, it seems not directly related to the biography of Muhammad. How is that? --Be happy!! (talk) 03:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Ali

Sorry for the delay. Having myself read the article, I think that right now the content is probably good enough for A-Class, maybe even FA, but that the writing would probably prevent it from being approved as such, given the occasional vagueness and occasional unnecessary length. I intend to make a copy of the article in my userspace and make such changes to it as I think called for there, and then you can review it and make any changes you wish based on the proposed changes there. Does that seem reasonable to you? John Carter (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Arrival_of_Imam_khomeini.jpg listed for deletion

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Re:Muhammad

Hi Seyed,

Thank you for your additions to Muhammad in Mecca. I edited it a bit. In the academic view, the hadiths are not the next source after the Qur'an on the events of the life of Muhammad; the biographies are. The hadiths are surely important but only after the traditional biographies. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 21:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

You have worked so hard to improve Islam-related articles in an unbiased and eloquent fashion and I am very grateful for the work you've done.

		The Barnstar of Diligence
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Re:

I think your suggestion of editors from other side join editing the article and add something was a good suggestion :) The best way to move may not be removing the current content but adding what the editors think needs to be added. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 07:58, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Sa.vakilian. I'm sorry that you're irritated at me. If I think the article isn't neutral because it caters too much towards a relatively minority perspective, then I think it needs to be mentioned. As for why I haven't been editing the article much, it's because I've been focusing on improving other articles such as Muhammad, Hadith, and so on. It's also because I'd rather avoid conflict where possible, and I feel that if I made the necessary changes that you would be too strongly opposed to them. I also don't wan't to give the impression that I'm trying to step on your toes or ruin your good work, so I thought I should put the improvements I feel need to be made on hold. But because the article has been nominated for GA, I thought I would put my own views about the state of the article on the table. You can't expect me to be making major changes to the article during a GA nomination, because that will make the article fail on the basis of content stability. Those are the main reasons why I've commented on the talk page instead of making the necessary changes. ITAQALLAH 13:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Secondly, my only interest is in producing a professional article on par with any neutral, scholarly treatment of the topic. My interest is not in inserting "Sunni POV" to balance "Shia POV." Both viewpoints have their place in the article, of course, but they should not saturate it or overwhelm it. ITAQALLAH 13:41, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Ali tag

Apologies - I forgot about Ali as I've been obsessed with Qur'an recently. I actually want to make some more changes (cut down on repetition, 'Prophet', shorten sentences, better style etc.). I'll make a start just now. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 08:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Muhammad

Hey Seyed,

Here it is [7]!!

Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 02:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Twelve Imams

I've done a bit of copy-editing and tweaking with Twelve Imams, and as I'm no expert in Islamic theology, you might want to make sure I didn't inadvertenly change the meaning of something or cut something important out. Article is looking better though. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 04:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The references, table, and prose might need more cleaning, but I'll leave that to the reviewers at WP:FLC. As for your request, I'm not a member of WP:LOCE, and you might still benefit from one of their members taking a look at the article. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 05:08, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you very much Seyed for the barnstar!! --Be happy!! (talk) 04:48, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Proposal

Hi Seyed,

Could you please take a look at my proposal here [8] (diff [9]). Thanks in advance, Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:32, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

RE:Ali

"GA-FAIL: Jargon like hadith, Muhajirun et. need to be explained. al-shia.com, non-RS, still used as ref. Some parts needs to cleaned up and/or reduced significantly per MP. And considering concerns expressed about equal representation of Shia-Sunni views, thus Neutrality issues and other issues in "An outside view", Failing the article. The nominator is welcome to get a reassessment.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 14:33, 3 April 2008 (UTC)" as left on article talk. If you disagree, please ask for a reassessment else sort those issues and renominate. Regards. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:20, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Inheritance

Hi Seyed,

Please see my message on Muhammad's talk page. Please specifically pay attention to the two quotes I provided from Ali. Thanks--Be happy!! (talk) 06:15, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Seyed, I ask you, with good intentions, not to bring the Sunni-Shi' dispute into Muhammed article. Imad marie (talk) 06:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Please explain what is wrong with neutrally adding what happened if it is relevant and the sources agree on that? --Be happy!! (talk) 06:21, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Amin, don't you think that it's kind of misleading to call "Fadak" the "Inheritance" of the prophet? I believe that the Fadak issue is more about the Sunni-Shi' dispute than it is related to the title of the section: "Inheritance". Imad marie (talk) 06:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Imad, as far as I know, Abu Bakr responded Fatima and Ali that "The prophets leave no inheritance" rather than arguing that Fadak was not an inheritance (to best of my knowledge but I have not researched this in detail). But I personally agree with you that the significance of Fadak is not simply because it was inheritance; the issue is more complex and the Seyed's version does not do justice to the matter as I explained on Muhammad's talk page. --Be happy!! (talk) 06:48, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I have also expanded the Farewell Pilgrimage section. But I have not un-hid the Ghadir Khum stuff until we all reach an agreement. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 08:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Seyed, the Sunni-Shia dispute is not relevant here, it is the issue of doing justice to Ali. Please see my comment here [10] Thanks --Be happy!! (talk) 19:59, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

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Shia article

Please stop reverting the good version of the intro to Shia Islam, "Seyed". The current version is both more informative and more aesthetic than yours. I see no reason why you should hold a monopoly on the article and only be satisfied with your own version. Leave it as it is. Salam. FiveRupees (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

MOSIslam

Allah-u-abha.

I do not object. I believe, however, that the standard MOS on religious capitalization stipulates that 'Prophet' is capitalized, but 'the' is not. I think that this is good, maintaining an encyclopedic tone while still showing the proper significance of the term and giving it the due respect, if not the veneration that is entitled to Him. Does that seem amenable to you? May you go in God's care. Peter Deer (talk) 01:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Seyyed. I had brought up the issue of using the word prophet on the MOS talk page a long while back if you search through the archives. A lot of academic sources use it without problem, but the issue has always been whether it's a POV to use the descriptor Prophet. I just think the current guidelines save a lot of potential future disputes over the issue. ITAQALLAH 16:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Shia Islam

Well, I don't know, Seyed. I will watch the article more closely and try to join the discussion if the issue comes up again. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 02:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Dear Seyed, I left a comment on the user's talk page. Hope you are fine and doing well! --Be happy!! (talk) 03:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyright

I fixed the issue. It should be no less than a century old. Also, how were copyrights handled during the Iranian Revolution? --Enzuru 06:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Eek! Be careful editing comments

I have had people yell at me for changing so much as one word of my own comment within minutes of writing it, because I didn't mark the change with a strikeout. So when I saw your recent change to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Islam-related articles)‎ I freaked. I went and looked around and saw that User:Itaqallah‎ did make the comment on User_talk:Sa.vakilian that you copied to the other talk page.

16:40, 15 April 2008 (hist) (diff) User talk:Sa.vakilian‎ (→MOSIslam: comment)

Perhaps you could go back and make a note that you copied the comments from other talk pages? You could maybe tell User:Itaqallah‎ and User:Peter_Deer also.

People get so upset about anything that looks like manipulating other people's comments, because people have done things that appear just like this for really bad reasons. I don't want people screaming at you when you are just trying to organize a discussion. That's why I copied the evidence that it wasn't vandalism into this comment. Shenme (talk) 07:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Seyyed has my full confidence, and I trust him to act honorably even on my behalf, but thank you for your concern. May you go in God's care. Peter Deer (talk) 07:45, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Tawhid

Salaam Seyed,

I can not read Arabic unfortunately :( --Be happy!! (talk) 07:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Artistic depictions

Would you have an issue of me putting an artistic depiction of each Imam (AS) on the Twelve Imams page? I think it would look nice. --Enzuru 05:24, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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Regarding the pictures

Yes, it's true, I don't have exact evidence of it. But from my research I've come to the following beliefs: 1) These pictures are by Alevi, not Iranian Shi'ah. You can see these pictures in Alevi homes and Cem Evis. 2) They are most likely not within the last decade. They are very wide-spread. I do believe they have a possibility of being very old pictures, or perhaps in some sort of religious public domain, because the Alevi tradition itself is very old. I understand I need better argument than that, so I'll see what I can figure out. I may need to get a book on Alevi art. And lastly, I have edited these pictures quite a bit, so I am unsure how that will effect their copyright status. Any help you can give for this situation will be appreciated. --Enzuru 06:23, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The issue has been discussed here in detail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Shia_Islam

Remember that calligraphy means very little to a non-Muslim, even if it's fancy it is only particular to a certain piece. On the Ismaili template, it is easily a lion, on the Twelver template, it has twelve points and any non-Muslim can see that the pictures are rotated versions of each other. The Islam template itself doesn't have it, though possibly it will later. --Enzuru 19:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Join us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Twelve_Imams#The_issue_of_pictures --Enzuru 23:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Tawhid

Dear Seyed,

I agree with you. And I appreciate your comments on my talk page. I agree we should drop the GA nomination for now. Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox

User:Sikandros came up with a wonderful idea: he created a infobox for Imams. I changed the colours to match Template:Twelvers and added the ability to put a picture. You can see the infobox at Hasan al-Askari. --Enzuru 00:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

There are ways we can make it more clear that the picture is fictitious. But this is Wikipedia, so we should attempt to add pictures and increase the content, that is what we strive for. On top of that, the pictures are considered fine by most Twelver and Ismaili, but everyone knows they are fictitious, just like most Christians know the pictures of Jesus are fictitious. These works were done by Shi'a, I think they do hold considerable merit. --Enzuru 09:04, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

On the Twelve Imams userbox (Hasan al-Askari and others) I added the 'fictitious depiction' description under each picture. The only issue is on Muhammad al-Mahdi one it has calligraphy instead, but I feel it is redundant to manually put fictitious depiction each time. Perhaps we will put a picture of al-Mahdi (AS) with light covering his face. --Enzuru 00:24, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Dear Seyed,

Thank you very much Seyed for the barnstar and thank you again for reviewing the article. There is certainly no deadline in wikipedia and we can nominate the article once it is sufficiently diverse.

Cheers, --Be happy!! (talk) 09:10, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Seyyed, concerning the improvements on Tawhid: I think there could be a little more explanation of the textualist stance, because the current section all too easily equates it mostly with tashbih - which is only one perspective. I do believe that bi-la kayf was a significant part of the textualist stance. There is much more coverage given to the other two camps, namely the Ash'arites and Mu'tazilites. The textualist stance was codified primarily by al-Shafi'i and Ahmad b. Hanbal, which is why almost all early Shafi'ites and Hanbalites were traditionalist in their stance (the Hanafite school, in contrast, was much more accommodating to Mu'tazilism). The article doesn't really mention that al-Ash'ari himself changed over the years and eventually sought the approval of the textualist Hanbalites of his time with his book al-Ibana. The early Asharites too were substantially different in what they accepted (i.e. much closer to the textualists) as compared to later Asharites, which may be due to the increased influence of Kullabism. While there were indeed some who went to excesses in affirmation of attributes in the textualist school, it was pretty much a minority. So it might be a nice idea to draw upon a larger pool of reliable sources to get a more complete perspective. ITAQALLAH 12:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:

Assalamualikum (peace),

Regarding this. That's a good idea.Bless sins (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Ahl al-Bayt

I've been working on cleaning up and improving the Ahl al-Bayt article. It's a real POV and broken wiki mess and if you have some spare time I could use your experience in editing such articles. I've been tagging up a lot of stuff that needs references and I'm going to be going through and looking through some of the regular sources for citations, and I'm also going to be trying to fix some of the broken and weird citations currently being used. Frankly, I could just use some general advice on making it not look ugly as sin and being gigantic walls of unreadable text. Peter Deer (talk) 07:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Re:

I don't necessarily agree with the change or the standard of sourcing used, but like I said, we can work on fixing these minor issues even after GA. ITAQALLAH 13:07, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

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Twelver template

Salaam, what do you think of this modeling of the Twelver template: Template:Twelvers2 --Enzuru 01:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Salaam, thank you alot. I was thinking of it because of the Template:Judaism template. --Enzuru 01:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I will be looking into the Muhammad article shortly. --Enzuru 22:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I am not very knowledgeable on Islamic law unfortunately, I will have to stay out of this one. And can you join us here: [11]

Sources of Islamic law

In my humble opinion, the article does not meet GA standards and my concerns have not been addressed. I have taken it to Good Article Reassessment here [12]. Regards, Somno (talk) 01:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I realized I'd probably be more useful to the wikiproject if I had the talk page on my watchlist. I'll get to work on helping with that article as well, and it'd probably be a good idea if I went on the wikiproject page and asked for help with Ahl al-Bayt and Ahl al-Kisa. Peter Deer (talk) 15:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Task forces

So far as I can see it, there are basically two purposes for task forces. One is to potentially draw in additional members who are interested solely in a given area of the subject, and I tend to agree that isn't likely to happen with "Sufism". The other purpose is a similar, primarily "bookkeeping" one, to allow editors who are primarily, if not exclusively, in one area of the subject to be able to keep track, through the assessment statistics, of which articles relative to that particular area are in what condition, and allow them to focus on the subjects of particular interest to them. That has been a particular problem with the Christianity content, where individuals have only been really interested in their particular church, less Christianity in general. I don't know if the same is true of Islam editors, but if it is then it might make sense to have such a separate group. The only other group I could think might even be remotely justified, and I honestly can't say one way or another whether it would be, might be an Islamic theology or Islamic texts group, but like I said I don't know if there are enough editors to keep such going. I have found that, at least for editors when they are comparatively new, it can be useful to allow them to focus on their particular "brand" of a given faith first, which having separate assessments for denominations or whatever can often be useful. John Carter (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Theology has significant overlap with other groups, agreed. However, it also probably does not fall within the scope in its entirety of any of those groups, so it makes sense to be a separate group. Also, such a group could be a joint subproject with Wikipedia:WikiProject Philosophy, and perhaps get some more qualified and interested editors from that group. John Carter (talk) 20:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Imams' templates

Thank you so much, I will soon. And can you please see to the issue in concern here: Template talk:Ahlalbayt --Enzuru 04:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

And here: Template talk:Fatimah --Enzuru 08:33, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

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Sources of Sharia

Asslamaulaikum,

Your opinion is needed here: Talk:Sources_of_Islamic_law/GA2#Result.

Oh BTW, you may want to archive your talk page, as it is rather long.Bless sins (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Salam bro.

I'm surprised you noticed such an old edit of mine, but thank you (again) for another barnstar! God bless you! Jagged 85 (talk) 03:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Departure

Assalamu-alaykum. I have to leave now, thank you for all your help, friendship, and companionship. Please keep helping the Shi'a articles and templates. And if you can, I would like you to work on User talk:Enzuru/ConstitutionIslam since I can't anymore. Take care of yourself, dear brother. Walyakom salaam. --Enzuru 01:21, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

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Islamic military jurisprudence

Do you think this article is ready for GA nomination?Bless sins (talk) 03:41, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Request

Hey. I hope you can give your opinion here and here. Regards, Enforcing Neutrality (talk) 01:25, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

re : award

Sar-e shoma dard nakone ;) Thanks for the award. I should post some new pictures of Iran in august. Ruz-e khubi dashte bashid. Fabienkhan | talk page 12:56, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Pas, mazerat mikham age bad goftam. Hala mitunam dorost begam : khahesk mikonam, qabeli nadasht. Az Aks gereftan dar Iran khosham miyad (my sentence is probably full of grammer mistakes, but I'm sure you got it). Thanks for the lesson :) Fabienkhan | talk page 14:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Al-Musta'min

My friend recently created Al-Musta'min which I guessed the Arabic to be المستعمين but, I have no idea. Since you speak Farsi and some Arabic I assume the word is the same for either and wonder if you know it. Thanks. gren グレン 13:43, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:Avicennism/GA1

Hi, the reason I failed the article is because it does not yet reach Good Article standards. Good Article is a process used to assess articles that meet the criteria; if an article is far from meeting the criteria, then it is quickly failed. This is so articles that have major issues do not get submitted for a Good Article Nomination. Gary King (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Succession

Re: your note on my talk page, I'll try to have a look soon, but I'm sure you know my stance regarding sources and stuff anyway :-) Thanks. ITAQALLAH 17:55, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Al-Kindi

Salam brother,

I think the Al-Kindi article looks good enough for a Good Article nomination. Do you plan to nominate it any time soon?

Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 19:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

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Re:GA

Sorry I've been away for some while. But I will, insha'Allah, try to spend more time on wikipedia. Thanks for the good news on Battle of Trench. Bless sins (talk) 21:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Going back to GA reviewing is not a bad idea, (though its more fun to write a GA and review one). Are there any articles you'd like me to review?Bless sins (talk) 23:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Just reminded you to respond here: Talk:Sources_of_Islamic_law/GA2. Take your time to respond, I'm in no hurry.Bless sins (talk) 22:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Salimuzzaman Siddiqui is what I prefer. All the other articles are on important topics, and I don't consider myself to be experienced enough to judge on them. I'll try and get started on the scientist.Bless sins (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, it appears someone is already reviewing it.Bless sins (talk) 18:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ibn al-Haytham

Salam brother,

I think Ibn al-Haytham is ready for a GA nomination in my opinion. Could you also check out Abū Rayhān al-Bīrūnī to see if you think that article is also ready for a GA nomination? Jagged 85 (talk) 09:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Iran

Hello, you left a comment on my talk page about the POV template I added on that page. Well, when I came across the article, I remember seeing a lot of speculation, weird dates, weasel wording etc. used so I added it. Since I won't be able to address these concerns for the time being, I'll be removing it. Cheers. 3rdAlcove (talk) 06:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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Moses: Primary sources

I've replied on the article talk page. Jheald (talk) 12:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

roman-persian wars

Hi, the image of Valerian on knees in front of Shapur II, in this article could be somewhere in the middle or top of the page and not in this small size in the bottom with the description of PERHAPS(!) valerian, where as it is obvious that it is 100% valerian. Besides that all Iranian sources verifying this, also you can check all other non-Iranian sources. I made the changes, but it seems that someone is undoing the edits for an unknown reason! As you have been in english wiki much more than me, I thought you might be able to do this. Thanks. --Wayiran (talk) 09:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Salam, As you knkow I'm somehow new in english wikipedia. So there are some questions raised in my mind:

• Why should this article be the FE of wikiproject Iran: 300 (film)
• Why there is only one wikiproject for iranian related articles, where for "India wikiproject" there are more than 20 subprojects? I gues wiki project history of Iran is really needed.
• Can you introduce me some active Iranian users. (except zereshk and ofcourse yourself!)
• Overall howmany Iranian users are active in english wiki (approximately)?
• Please add me in your yahoo messenger. => wayiran

Thanks --Wayiran (talk) 06:47, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Seyyed now I'm a member of Islam project. Which areas/articles in your view have higher priority to do first? --Wayiran (talk) 16:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Moses

Salaam Seyed,

I am very sorry. I am really busy these days and don't log in often. Hope things are going well with you. --AAA765 (talk) 08:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Credible author

Salaam Seyed,

A credible authors' reference is being "overrided" by edit-warring. I recently tried to add to the telescope article but this editor seems to think that his opinion overrides a VERY credible author in Mr. Richard Powers. I've been blocked before for edit-warring recently, so I don't want this to be another incident on my record.

Anyway, the other editor seemed to have asked his friend-type editors to form a consensus, so I will do the same. The Islamic connection here is, Al-Haytham. He is FUNDAMENTAL to the telescope and the FATHER of optics. By definition, the summary can include him since the radio and electro-magnetic telescopes are derogatory to the average person looking at the article; I wanted to add it to the history section since it looked cleaner. Can you help your fellow InternetHero?? InternetHero (talk) 21:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Battle of the Trench

Hi. I will take a more thorough look at the article, but I should be able to help clean up the article. MP ^{(talk•contribs)} 11:01, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Sources of Islamic law

This is now a "good article". Congrats! Apologies for the delay in the final review. :) Somno (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Truth

If you are interested, please add some ideas and views of Islamic philosophy and philosophers to this article. The absence of their ideas is sensible! --Wayiran (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I found only this (in persian). --Wayiran (talk) 10:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

RE:Pictures

Salaam, wonderful to see you again too. The pictures mean alot to me, this is why I argue for them. Alhamdullilah it doesn't take too much time. --Enzuru 03:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

High!

High, you commented me about Battle of Hyrba, I'm not sure what you mean by historiography, all I did was to explain what the battle meant in the broader context of the ancient world, as well as its place in it. And I am not sure if I have to reference the intro, it was never referenced before, and most, if not all battle articles never reference the intro, but everything else I referenced, please if you could, explain what your comments meant last time you replied to me, thank you a lot.--Ariobarza (talk) 03:43, 30 July 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk

Battle of the Trench

Hi, I see you're adding new sources and I'd like one thing. You either do. 1) Author (Year) or 2) Author Title. We started out with the latter but now you're using the both styles for notes. I had changed some of your earlier ones and I actually think Author (Year) is more standard... but, whichever you choose can you keep it consistent? gren グレン 12:47, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Selected Muslim

I wasn't aware there'd be a problem. The current entry was over a year old, and I do believe you yourself instated it without discussion. ITAQALLAH 18:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Seyyed, don't you think it's time for a change? I think the criteria you list are unfairly stringent and sectarian oriented. Even Saladin's article notes that he is venerated and an inspiration for many Muslims due to his role as a Muslim ruler. In fact, he is one of the most well known Muslim rulers in history. Could you please be frank in telling me why he's being opposed, as I don't want to assume anything. Kind regards, ITAQALLAH 18:09, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not a big deal really. I'm just bemused why he's being opposed when he seems like an ideal candidate. ITAQALLAH 18:53, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

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History of Iran

Doroud Seyyed,

You asked me a while ago to help you improve the article history of Iran. I'm no more editing on WP, just checking my profile once in a while. I had a quick look at the article History of Iran, and I feel like the iranian POV is too much present in this article, like most articles on en.WP which is quite normal because a majority of editors are of iranian descent ;-). Actually, imo, Pre-historic era & early history should be rewrited, as they lap on each other ; the irano-soviet crisis is not enough developped (as the first cold war confrontation) ; the "united states and the shah" is badly named (american influence is more understandable).

Those are the most obvious remarks I can make, and I won't go into details, as I don't have the time nor motivation to do so.

Happy editing. Fabienkhan | talk page 10:52, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

GAs

Islam and slavery seems to be a long article. It's hard for me to say if it is fit for GA. But I will take a look and give you an evaluation. In the meanwhile, what do you think of Islamic military jurisprudence?Bless sins (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Help me with my pronunciation

If you have time to listen and help, please listen to me read the Twelve Imams article right here, thank you. --Enzuru 07:18, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. While I am going to university, I work at a computer company to make money. If you need any computer help feel free to ask. --Enzuru 07:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Fourteen Infallibles

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Al-Kindi GAN

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RE:Template:Islam

The only reason we are using black (aside from religious symbology of Imam al-Mahdi (AS)) is that it fades in with the current image. If we can find an image that fades in with blue, we could use that too. Most likely we will change the image anyway, so I am unsure if the black will change, but insha'Allah it will and we will have something better. --Enzuru 21:49, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

It technically is dark blue right now, but it looks black. If you look at the coding you will see that it is dark blue. --Enzuru 21:50, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Sadra and his Substantial motion

Hi. I am working on sadra's substantial motion and wanna make it a separate article.so i would be pleased if you helped me in expanding it.Bbadree (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

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Please help!

Salaam Alykum! Sayeed, I am not a very experienced editor here on the Wikipedia, and have had little contact with others to learn. I keep finding articles all over with no ranking or quality evaluation from the Islam Scholars group here. I can't find a list to add their names to for this purpose. IS there a list? (-somewhere???- where?) It's embarrassing for this project to place banners without any follow up, I'd think. If you can instruct me, I'd like to add names that haven't been evaluated.

AND, Can you please take a look at Cat Stevens, and Zain Bhikha and rank and rate them? The one for Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam might seem frivolous, but there is more to the article that needs to be written, about his embrace of Islam, and the libel cases he is winning, because he has been accused by the Israeli and American Government of funding Hamas, and his curious return to musical performances. We have a Israeli editor who may be a sockpuppet, having changed names, reading Hebrew political objections, and now appears obsessed with her own POV issues, while we're trying to update what was a GA article, Whew! Zain Bhikha desperately needs some help; nearly the whole thing was plagiarized when I found it. I did a little with it, but with few references available thus far. I see you are really busy, and wish to join the Wikiproject:Islam. Please answer when you can, inshallah.--leahtwosaints (talk) 20:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

My brother, thank you for your swift answer. Are you fluent in Farsi? I'm sorry to say I'm only just learning Arabic.. my shahada was quite recent. I hope you are enjoying Ramadan! You may have guessed I'm interested in the biographies of musicians, although I get sidetracked.. However, there is one true scholar, I have corresponded with- spoke to him on the phone, he lives close to my home. His name is Yusuf Estes, a revert involved in Dawah if you can add him to the list of scholars. I feel that my participation on that page may contradict Wikipedia rules, thus I can secure photographs, but no more. Can you help with this as well? Last, if you know anyone who might have free use photos of either Cat Stevens, Yusuf Islam, Zain Bhikha, or Dawud Wharnsby Ali, or would like to help edit these pages, I would once again be very pleased. I appreciate your kindness!

الْحَمْدُ للّهِ رَبِّ الْعَالَمِين --leahtwosaints (talk) 02:58, 21 September 2008 (UTC) Here is a fantastic website with videos of all kinds in all languages for Muslims! Enjoy! Islamic Tube --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

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Salaam, insha'Allah khair bro, I will soon. And I never thanked you for the barnstar, thanks! --Enzuru 09:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Al-Aqsa GA

I have just finished addressing the issues you brought up aka Factual accuracy, Broadness (including the Farthest mosque subsection which was rewritten, referenced and merged), NPOV, Article stability, Images and I assume it passes the Well written criterion since it was copyeditted by Matisse. Is it ready for a pass. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I have been through this article several times, copy editing it. In my opinion, it is a well-written article and deserves to be a GA article. Regards, —Mattisse (Talk) 16:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to thank both of you for all the help in the article, especially in clarifying some important aspects of it like in Religious importance and modern-day controversies. Also thanks for copyeditting the article Matisse! I'm so happy that Al-Aqsa is now a good article; a major success for Project Islam and Palestine! Hopefully we get cracking on Masjid al-Haram and other holy or famous mosques very soon! Cheers and thanks for the barnstar, it means a lot. --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you!

		Jewel of Nowrūz
		I, Enzuru, award you the Jewel of Nowrūz for your work in preserving over three thousand years of history, heritage, and hope for all Iranian peoples. Just as every year, unceasingly, untiringly, the world is reborn on Nowrūz, you have brought new life and future to our culture.

Sorry for being so late!

I have cleaned up much of the start of the Ali article. Tell me if you need me to do more. --Enzuru 17:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Mecca

Vakilian, how to move the Mecca into Makkah? Because the Islam organisation says, Mecca had translation to Simple ENglish is The champagne house. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muhraz (talk • contribs) 06:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Persian ethnicity

Please see my talk page, we are discussing if ethnicity should be mentioned and if it goes againt MOS for biographies. I changed my mind, but I don't think the infobox should state the ethnicity in big letters like it does now, like Persian scholar, it should instead say Philosopher or Muslim scholar since that is what they are famous for. --Enzuru 04:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Could you also join me on Template:Islamic Culture? Someone is arguing Bengali literature for some reason should be exempt from the template. --Enzuru 23:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Ali

Thanks for the comment. Will get to the full review soon. Cirt (talk) 03:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Your friend Enzuru is an secret Ismaili. I suggest you undo the damage he has done to Shi'a articles. Arms and stuff (talk) 20:35, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Try the fact that he adds "Twelver" and "Usuli" to every Shi'a article so as to portray Ismailis as an equally or more important and valid version of Shi'a Islam and the fact that he adds hideous depictions of Twelver Imams to discredit Twelver Shiism and make the Imams look less infallible, not to mention these two disgusting edits. Give me your email address so I can send you something. Arms and stuff (talk) 04:12, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

You're an idiot. Arms and stuff (talk) 18:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Ali

Yes, a bit busy lately, will get to it soon. Cirt (talk) 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Salaam Seyyed! I'm excited that Ali is being nominated for GA, but I was scanning through the beginning of the article, and I really think you should get a references for this part of the "Acceptance of Islam" section: The Sunni's also use the honorific Karam Allah Wajhuhu, which means "God's Favor upon his Face." The reason his acceptance is often not called a conversion, is because he was never an idol worshiper like the people of Mecca. He was known to have broken idols in the mold of Abraham and asked people why they worshiped something they made themselves. Ali's grandfather, it is acknowledged without controversy, along with some members of the Banu Hashim clan, were Hanifs, followers of a monotheistic belief system, prior to the coming of Islam. The Shī‘a claim Ali and his father Abu Talib to have been the same, which is what Muhammad acknowledges himself to have been prior to Prophethood.

Good luck with the article! --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:46, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I need a clarification:

Talhah, al-Zubayr and some other companions refused the rebels' offer of caliphate. Therefore they threatened that, unless the people of Medina choose a caliph within one day, they would be forced to take some drastic action. Did Talhah and Zubayr refuse the rebels' offering the caliphate to Ali or did the rebels offer them the caliphate and they refused this offer? --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:57, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Re IP is blocked

Salam Faysal, How are you?

This IP:(194.225.166.11) belongs to Tarbiat Modarres University. Apparently it's been blocked due to vandalism. However many students want to use it. Can you please unblock it.--Seyyed(t-c) 08:13, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Salam Sayyed. I am fine and thanks for asking. Well, as you may have noticed, this IP used to remove content from a Romania-related article. It was then blocked indefinitely by User:Dmcdevit on May 2007 with an expiry time of indefinite as an open proxy. More than 18 months have elapsed now and it may be that the IP address has been eventually transferred or dynamically reassigned, or the open proxy closed. I am not 100% sure about that but since you say that some students --who, apparently, have little to do with Romanian articles-- have requested an unblock I see no problem in unblocking it. However, I may not be able to get back to verify any possible misuse of this unblock. You can, Sayyed, keep an eye on it. Otherwise, I am keeping this notice and rationale at the IP talk page in order for any other user or admins to do so. Thanks. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 15:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, That's your favor. I can't watch the issue and anybody can misuse a public IP. However, I think there should be a good policy or guideline for public schools and universities.--Seyyed(t-c) 16:20, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Template:SharedIPEDU can be added to the top of the IP talk page. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 17:11, 31 December 2008 (UTC)