User talk:Romaine

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Category:Disability sport classifications

Category:Disability sport classifications: Getting some versions of this in Dutch would be awesome. :) --LauraHale (talk) 09:14, 4 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for writing IJgeul! :-) Romaine (talk) 09:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome. I also write in turkish (laughing, not speaking a word of that language).--Laurentleap (talk) 09:48, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:-) Romaine (talk) 14:34, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

eurogeul

Hello Romaine

You seem to be a specialist on that field

The Eurogeul is not straight, at the end of the Maasgeul there is an angle.

My question is there a lighthouse at that place or something to indicate where to turn ?

Regards

--Laurentleap (talk) 08:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Laurentleap, There is no leading light there, that is only near the port itself when entering the main land. The whole geul is marked on the south side with seamarks. Besides that, captains have to use their equipment to navigate and the use of maritime pilots. There are only three leading lights: first a white, then a green and a red, see below. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 13:09, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Romaine. Thank you very much. I was talking about the angle which seems to be at 14km. At first the geul goes West, then according to your map, it goes South West.--Laurentleap (talk) 09:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

template trouble

Hey,

Zou je kunnen kijken wat er mis is met {{EPe79info}} en {{Politics of the European Union mini}}? Bij European Parliament election, 1979 zorgen die twee er voor dat de uitlijning van de afbeeldingen in de war is. --Vera (talk) 13:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo Vera, Dit is het gevolg van dat een van de objecten niet op de eigenlijke plek gepositioneerd is. Doordat er dan een ander object hoger wordt geplaatst, drukt het slecht gepositioneerde object de rest naar beneden. Eigenlijk zouden de objecten in de juiste volgorde geplaatst moeten worden (conform de volgorde waarin ze op een pagina daadwerkelijk staan), dan bestaat dit probleem niet. Groetjes - Romaine (talk) 13:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kijk, ik heb het zo maar opgelost. --Vera (talk) 21:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Flemish or Dutch

I have a synagogue in Gibraltar that is meant to be in the Flemish style because it is based on a similar one in Amsterdam. I see you are on the QRpedia project list so I wondered if you could help create a stub/ start or suggest someone who might help? Victuallers (talk) 14:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Victuallers, If you have a specific thing you want to know, you can ask to search for in Dutch, but currently I am too busy with other things. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TMIG

Catalan version done! Same for me. It was great to finally meet you in Londond. Didn't have time for a report on GLAMWiki UK for our point of view. I should look for some time to write about it. If I find it I'll add to our report, ok? And thanks for the reminder. It may sound simple but is realy useful for me :)--Kippelboy (talk) 07:26, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the report! If you want to add something to it later on, feel free to do so. And you're welcome! :-) Romaine (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Mabbett

I don't know if I'm speaking out of turn or not, but I saw your note on Andy M's talk page, and if you scan a few lines up from your addition you'll see that he is hors de combat at the moment. Tim riley (talk) 21:36, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Hi! While I do not know Thai I could try translating (with amateur knowledge) into French, Chinese, and/or Spanish and/or have a native speaker of any of those language look at the result. Which of the following are most useful to the project as secondary or tertiary languages? WhisperToMe (talk) 23:01, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is all already been translated into French, Chinese and Spanish, but I think it would be good to have also a Thai translation to enable more people to participate. If you can help me wit that, please do. Romaine (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I have no knowledge of the Thai language, but there is a place which can help: th:วิกิพีเดีย:สถานทูตวิกิมีเดีย - This is the Thai Wikipedia Embassy for non-Thai speakers WhisperToMe (talk) 02:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Greetings - Romaine (talk) 11:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Test

Test to see how notifications works. I would like to see a nice diff somewhere, to compare with the most recent version. test 4

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Russian districts

Hi, Romaine! Since you are going through the Russian districts anyway, may I suggest that in addition to doing this, you also move the coordinates from the {{coord}} template at the bottom of the articles to the infobox (and delete the template)? The white space is there because a bot removed the {{coord missing}} templates from the top of the article when adding coordinates to the bottom in the first place. Thanks for your help at any rate! Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 7, 2014; 17:56 (UTC)

Hello Ezhiki, I am not familiar with the habits of the English Wikipedia. I currently organize and write for the double writing week on the Dutch Wikipedia. As I am translating these districts from English, I change the things that are visually disturbing on en-wiki. Moving coords to the infobox seems something we on nl-wiki would do by bot and not by hand to prevent mistakes. I work with AWB and one of the things I do not know how to search for is empty lines on top of pages. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 18:04, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

In the affected articles, the coordinates are always on the bottom. When I edit these pages, I simply cut and paste the coord template from the bottom to top, then retype the coordinates into the infobox, and then remove the coord template. It really doesn't take a lot of time, and while I agree that a bot could do this easily, it doesn't seem as too much trouble to do manually if one is editing the article anyway. But if you are not comfortable with this, I understand. Removing the blanks is a necessary task as well, so thank you for that. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); March 7, 2014; 18:29 (UTC)

Great work! :-) Romaine (talk) 18:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Help with Dutch

Hi! Could you find me any important information about Bas van Duivenbode in article "Bas van Duivenbode koopt geen dure paarden" at bottom of this page? I'm writing article about that boxer on Polish Wikipedia and I need your help to write more information. Żyrafał (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is important information? Romaine (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Important information is an information which is able to add into article. Żyrafał (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC) That means: private life, results in important tournaments etc. Żyrafał (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I am sorry, I am too much limited in my time. I think you can better ask someone else who knows Dutch. Romaine (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal acquaintances

…are now also here! Thank you for all you did for this :) --BR, .js (talk) 04:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for integrating the en:participants list. But there is one more great novelty, the wmflabs tool is now also available in English:

It would be great if you could update your tools

to use that new English version instead of the German https://tools.wmflabs.org/pb/?p=user&name=Romaine . I tried it myself, but in the English version the username only works with space " " or "%20", and not with "_" or "+".

Euku wrote sth how it should work there referring to de:Vorlage:Pfad-PB-DB - what I don't fully understand. Can you fix that? --BR, .js (talk) 00:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello .js,

Solved! However, I must state, the Beta version is only for testing/etc purposes, not for actual use yet. That is why two tool links are now in the participants row. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice :) But isn't it already good enough, just for showing the users list in the UBX? I'd think so.

2) will this list be updated by a bot? And shouldn't there be many more already now, for ex. you and me? Or do you only put users with en:wp homewiki there? With only two in this list it doesn't look very inviting for new participants... --BR, .js (talk) 11:22, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What is UBX? The Beta tool can have bugs or be deleted.

So far I know it is not possible to update it by bot, because there is no clear measurement on what the bot should base it on. About every week or every two weeks, I check the new participants which language they speak as mother tongue, and add them to the appropriate list on that language wiki. I can only do that for new participants, for older participants we should somehow arrange a query. Like searching for those participants who have 5000+ edits in the English Wikipedia. Usually I check for their Babel or the project with the most edits of someone. Perhaps we can set a query for those participants who have made most of their edits in en-wiki.

But I must say, the texts and tool weren't available for a long time in English, and as most English speaking people do not understand German I do not expect much English users. I think we should question ourselves how the use of this tool can be expanded more to English speaking users.

I agree that we should have more participants in the list, but I do not know who to add. Romaine (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1) WP:UBX = Userbox(es) 2) hmmm.... thx, not easy 3) We can try to bring it to more attention at the Wikimania – will you be there? --BR, .js (talk) 12:12, 21 April 2014 (UTC) PS. Users can change their language settings in de:wp to English (or other), then the de:WP:PB tools and even the de:Spezial:Einstellungen=preferences will be in English (or other). Perhaps we should put this info more prominently in the explanations here.[reply]

All those abbreviations, pfff.

I know how it works concerning the English on de-wiki, I made that happen. Also for Dutch and French, etc. But still, it is an other project, in another language, that holds people often on a distance. Perhaps it is an idea to promote it in the signpost?

Yes I am planning to be at Wikimania. I said to the developers of the tool that I want it to be available in English before Wikimania so that everyone can participate. Romaine (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

~~sry~~ ;) sorry, didn't know that - again thanks for all your work! ~~btw~~ :D by the way, there is someone who wants to help translating it to Hindi. did you really mean "fivethousand+" above?? geeesh O_O' many (like me) will never come even near that, but are good people, too! --BR, .js (talk) 14:54, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Personal acquaintances

Hi Romaine. I did register via the Personal acquaintances tool as you suggested. Not sure if I did it right or not. I did not find a way to check whether the procedure was successful. Let see. :-) Take care. Alberto Fernández Fernández (talk) 08:42, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Writing for This Month in GLAM (Ghana)

Hello Romaine, I mentioned here of a proposal to start reporting on GLAM activities in Ghana. Do I have to include it in the Africa report already existent or start a new section on Ghana? Many thanks.—M@sssly ^✉ 17:51, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Masssly, That is up to you to decide. Romaine (talk) 02:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

Thankx for your very interesting comment! Dick Bos (talk) 12:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FoP

Thanks for your work on the FoP issue. I was wondering about the scope of the effect of the proposed legislation/amendment/whatever. Those nice blacked out images on the FoP landing page are all photos of European buildings/sculptures. But what about buildings outside Europe made by European architects? Take the very iconic Sydney Opera House, for instance. Would photos of this not become unfree under EU law too because it was designed by the European architect Jørn Utzon?--Anders Feder (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Anders Feder, So far I can see it doesn't matter what the origin, nationality or place of living is. What matters is where the building or sculpture is located. For what I have seen the amendment is only speaking about works in the European Union itself. But, when implemented, other countries can take the EU as an example. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 20:27, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Have a look at this: "If the proposal by the European Parliament were adopted into law, all pictures of public buildings and permanent artworks depicting a work whose author has not been dead for 70 years would have to be deleted from Wikipedia." This suggests that it does matter who the author is, which makes sense because currently freedom of panorama is an exception to regular copyright law, and in regular copyright law the author is very much a factor. If this reading is correct, the issue is really much more awful than the current blacked out images in the landing page suggest. In addition to the Sydney Opera House, the 14th tallest building in the world, KK100, could also fall for the new rules, along with Hearst Tower (Manhattan), Olympic Stadium (Montreal), Pulkovo Airport, International Towers Sydney and undoubtedly many others.--Anders Feder (talk) 22:48, 27 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It matters off course who the author is if there is no Freedom of Panorama. In Belgium currently there is no FOP, while there is one in the Netherlands. If an architect created one building in the Netherlands and one in Belgium, in the Netherlands can be freely photographed and used on Wikipedia, while the one in Belgium can't be freely used because that freedom is missing. So yes, it matters who the author is, because in a country without FOP or for commercial use only, if there an author is alive or died less that 70 years ago, the works are copyrighted. Bit this depends on the law of the country itself. And I must say, the wording chosen in the blog is not accurate: she is talking about the European union, not the whole world. If you still have questions about this, I would recommend you to ask Dimi_z about this. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 07:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Message from Maastricht

Hello Romaine, welcome in Maastricht. Dick Bos (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go again

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Monument ID question

At List of monuments in Żebbuġ, Gozo there is an "ID" column in the table. What do those numbers indicate? VQuakr (talk) 01:54, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi VQuakr, Those are the unique identifiers for the monuments that are assigned to these monuments by the government organisation in Malta responsible for this. See also: http://www.culturalheritage.gov.mt/page.asp?p=21573&l=1 Unique identifiers are needed to be able to properly identify which monument is which. Romaine (talk) 03:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cool; thanks for the explanation! It might be worthwhile to Wikilink the header of that column to National Inventory Register (and creating a stub about the system) to help someone like me that is ignorant of Malta's method of tracking the monuments. VQuakr (talk) 04:10, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That is a great idea! My problem is that I do not know enough about the register, but I can ask around. Or perhaps you want to write? Romaine (talk) 04:16, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good news: upon closer inspection, we already have National Inventory of the Cultural Property of the Maltese Islands. VQuakr (talk) 07:25, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I will later see how I can add this to the lists. Thanks! Romaine (talk) 12:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Romaine, do you think that List of monuments in Malta should be merged with National Inventory of the Cultural Property of the Maltese Islands? Coincidentally, I had already begun compiling a list of NICPMI properties here, so I'll begin to add pics etc when I have time. Best regards, Xwejnusgozo (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Xwejnusgozo, I do not see a reason for merging, as the national inventory is about the inventory, while the lists contain the actual monuments. Linking back and forth from each other is sufficient. See also here with the inventory and lists from another country: Rijksmonument. Romaine (talk) 17:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I did not mean merging each list about the individual towns into a single article, but merging the List of monuments in Malta (which is a list of a list) into the NICPMI article, which is a stub. Until the NICPMI article is expanded, I think it's a good idea to have the list of lists included as part of the article. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 17:07, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As I made clear, I do not think it is a good idea. And I think it is better to work on actually adding content instead of moving it around without any extra value created by this. So, no, thank you. Romaine (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK then. I don't know what else to add in the NICPMI article; if you or anyone else can add more info it would be helpful. :) Best regards, Xwejnusgozo (talk) 17:20, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Antarctica?

Hi, will Antarctica partecipate in WLM this year? I couldn't see it on the list, and I have some pictures I made there last year. --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 14:28, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Superchilum,

Yes, it looks like Antarctica will participate! Due to a limited local population, it is a bit tricky to organise though - but it looks like we'll manage! Information will become available here but the competition may start a bit later - as other countries should take priority here. effeietsanders 16:56, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much effeietsanders ;) --Superchilum^{(talk to me!)} 07:34, 1 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help with central notice for wiki loves women monthly written contest

@Romaine:,We are starting this contest by the 20th of September and we need to put up central notice to attract more contestants. We will appreciate your help cc@Jamie Tubers:. Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Olaniyan Olushola, Sorry for the delay, but September is for me a very difficult month as it is in the middle of Wiki Loves Monuments and I then often do not have time left to help with other activities. The best way is to ask me earlier and have more information prepared, including how a banner should look like. Also it is necessary to file a request for a notice at m:CentralNotice/Request. Maybe I can help you next time. Greetings - Romaine (talk) 02:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help with central notice for destubathon ?

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Draft:The Hygiene of Womanhood: A book for mothers and daughters being lectures to ladies on common sense guides to health, strength and beauty

Hi you moved the above page to mainspace from a sandbox but I am afraid that it does not come any where near meeting the standards required. It is full of WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH there are almost no sources that mention this book. A great deal of the sources are very trivial in nature and quite a few are simple copies of one another. I believe there may be enough to create an article about the author but the article creator must not add their own thoughts about the subject and her motivations. You may like to read WP:NBOOK which should help you understand why the notability of this book is in question. --Dom from Paris (talk) 16:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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My name is Bukky658 (talk) 16:08, 26 October 2021 (UTC)and I recently joined the EduWiki Collaborators as a communication expert. I am reaching out to you unbehalf of Sailesh, who is currently on vacation, to kindly distribute the October 2021 newsletter to talk pages.[reply]

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Hi Romaine, I already sent based on Sailesh request. So, you don't have to worry about this. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 16:38, 26 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Bukky658, Welcome! Thank you for reaching out! What I do not understand is why has been deviated from the common (good working) communication, as I haven't seen any e-mail (which normally happens). Romaine (talk) 03:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi ZI Jony, I am now worried about the functioning of the team. What I also do not understand is why we have a team which has devided the roles in the publication process, and a individual team member now thinks that acting on his own is something that is normal for a team effort. I think it is not and I think it is impolite. And this is also something I indicated to you before. Romaine (talk) 03:09, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Romaine, We've not decided yet that who will do MMS part of our newsletter! November 3, EWOC Comms & Newsletter team first meeting will be conducted, there will discuss about this topic. Afterwards that person will continue sent message on talk pages. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:27, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for email. We have a number of problems. The user name User:UM Group23 clearly represents a group at Universiteit Maastrich, and violates our user name policy, which requires editing as an individual. I will soft block the account shortly. Sandboxes have their uses, but they should not be used to host drafts, which should be in draft space. I think an additional concern here is that we seem to have just a text dump without wikilinks or proper references, and there is no indication in the sandbox or the account's user page that this is a student project, or that you are the coordinator of the project. Without this, it just looks like an editor promoting their own views. I think that there must also be a concern, given that it's basically a text dump, that the text may not have been entirely the editor's own work. I'll post the text at User:Romaine/Athletic identity shortly, please take a copy as soon as you can. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:25, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimfbleak, Thank you for your answer! Tommorrow at 11:59 AM (CEST) (9:59 UTC) they have a deadline before they need to be ready. And on Thursday I have a feedback session with the students. I hope you can wait with the softblock until after the deadline, as this group is already panicking because of the situation. With the feedback session I can guide the user of this account to rename it (as that is what I understand you still want). If you set a short block earlier, this will likely be problematic.

During the intro session a few weeks ago I told the students that a Wikipedia page can have edit conflicts and does not work like a Google Doc. This group decided therefore to draft their article in a Google Doc and one student would move it later to the Wikipedia page. Before tomorrow's deadline it must be in Wikipedia, because one of the most important aspect are the references (hard to do in a Google Doc). Sadly this group decided to copy past it from their Google Doc without formatting the reference to the Wikipedia style (as they should have). If this version would still be like this with tomorrow's deadline, they have not done the assignment well and I will make that very clear to them coming Thursday with the feedback session. The final deadline is in June so they still have some time to get it fixed.

I am active since 2003 on Wikipedia and since the start I have been saying that navigation in Wikipedia sucks, and it still does. Most of the students write their articles in the Dutch or the English Wikipedia, sometimes also the French or German Wikipedia. The rules and customs how to properly organise a Wikipedia class vary from Wikipedia to Wikipedia. The draft namespace is typical for the English Wikipedia, but on every Wikipedia a user sandbox page is available, and such is designed to draft Wikipedia articles. (Some time ago someone created a page starting with Draft: in the Dutch Wikipedia and got deleted.) The students are new in writing in Wikipedia and in various classes they indicated to be lost in navigating through Wikipedia, so I try to keep it as easy as possible.

For each class there is a project page like this that gives information about the course, who organises it and the list of students with their sandbox pages. Through the What links here function it is quickly visible a sandbox page is part of a certain project. In all the previous years this went fine (and I have seen far worse student outputs passing by). On various language editions of Wikipedia it is not done for other users to edit user pages. However I am open for suggestions how to make better clear that this is part of a education project.

Regarding who wrote the text I am not so concerned. The students have been informed very clearly that they have to write their article in their own words. Also the university uses software to check for plagiarism. So in case of plagiarism, I will request speedy deletion myself. Romaine (talk) 10:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I had not seen that the soft block was already implemented. I asked them immediately to request a user name change or to create a new user name. Romaine (talk) 11:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the error in the link to the restored text in my first message, now fixed. Guidance for course leaders is at Wikipedia:Student assignments. You created the project page, which is good, but it wasn't linked to by the student editors so I didn't know of its existence, nor did they link to your page, so all we see is a wall of text with nothing to indicate its purpose. As you say, each Wikipedia is independent, and en-wiki invariably has tougher policies on usernames, copyright and promo than any other i have interacted with. It's also more interventionist in user space, with editors regularly moving other users' sandboxes to draft.bare

I'd also point out that as well as not having proper in-line Wikipedia-style refs, there are almost no wikilinks, the refs aren't formatted and the urls in the refs don't work. I think you have your work cut out for you! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jimfbleak, I would have looked further, but I understand what you say. You say the project page wasn't linked, would you like to see it linked in the edit summary or elsewhere? The difficulty we are already facing is that the students already experience a Wikipedia assignment as very difficult. Putting more on their shoulders is something that needs to be carefully considered. Already Wikipedia is far from user friendly for new contributors. (I know how most stuff works, but it is impossible to keep up with all the rules on en-wiki. I will keep the user name thing in mind for next courses.)

Don't worry, I am aware of the bad quality, not for nothing on Thursday a feedback session is organised. The feedback I give is directed at the intro sentence, headers, internal links and references, followed by a deep reading of the article for the style and other things. Also the university judges the article content wise. It is certainly a lot of work to give feedback on, but they need to fix it, not me. If they don't do the necessary work or the article is not good enough, they fail the assignment. Romaine (talk) 14:53, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think a link on te draft talk page would be more obvious than in an edit summary Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:13, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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