User talk:MDP23/Archive/Nov06

Tweaking

Hi Martin! I think the RD bot might need a bit of tweaking. This might have something to do with MediaWiki itself and its peculiar editing bahaviour for large sections. If you take a look at the reference desks, an extra space is inserted at the top whenever a section is archived. Say, this link. Do you think there is a workaround? --HappyCamper 15:02, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Block Threat?

Why have you threated to block me for an edit that clearly had nothing to do with me? You just linked a random vandalisation done by someone else Yeanold Viskersenn 19:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Multiple Last Warnings become a Joke

I applaud your vandal fighting, but please do not post multiple "Last Warnings" to a user (example contribs (talk) vandal). If you do so without reporting them on Admin intervention against vandalism, then it just becomes a joke and a stimulus to the vandal. Just post one, then if they violate the "Last Warning", don't bother warning again, simply report. The admins who intervene are quite eager to block people who have transgressed even a single "Last Warning". Hu 19:57, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Martinp23..

Can you help me to check up the grammar of this article?

-> Political division of Cúcuta

This is the "barnstar of the cow" for helping me in the main article of Cúcuta.

Moved barnstar to userpage Martinp23 11:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!!

Ricardo Ramírez! ✍ 01:57, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Upcoming template changes

Hi, I've just noticed that you recently left a templated userpage message. I'm just bringing to your attention that the format and context of these templates will be shortly changing. It is recommended that you visit WikiProject user warnings and harmonisation discussion pages to find out how these changes could affect the templates you use. We also would appreciate any insights or thoughts you may have on the subject. Thanks for your understanding. Best regards Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 14:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic cleansing

Why have you reverted my changes to Ethnic cleansing page ? There were estimated 11 million people that were forced to leave their homes in 1947 exchange of population between Pakistan and India. You cannot just report that Hindus and Sikhs were mass expuled from Pakistan while not adding that Muslims were also expelled from India to Pakistan. My both maternal and paternal grandparents had to move to Pakistan in 1947. Your revert will be removed. Siddiqui 14:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your reversion of Google censorship

I believe that the use of the term Islamism is a taking of conservative position.The articles that support that reference to Islam are not from sources that could be called neutral.If this purported mail from Google was presented and you were asked to click the newsmediajournal - what would be your impression.Are these critical of Islam in general or to IIslamic radicalism?

The e-mail, which cited three articles that dealt with radical Islam and its relationship to terrorism, read:

Hi Frank,

Thanks for writing. We received numerous reports about hate content on your site, and after reviewing these reports, decided to remove your site from Google News. We do not allow articles and sources expressly promoting hate speech viewpoints in Google News (although referencing hate speech for commentary and analysis is acceptable).

For example, a number of the complaints we looked at on your site were found to be hate content: How Has Islam Enriched Your Life?

Islam Is as Islam Does

Islam: A False Religion

We hope this helps you understand our position.

Regards,

The Google Team

Do you think this talks of Islam, its prophet or the Islamists?

Prophet Mohammed was an extremely violent man, a man of war. Historically, Jesus set the example for love, as did Moses. The opposite is true of Prophet Muhammad. That is why we see so many suicide bombers in our era. They simply are following what the prophet of Islam had planned for them. Islam rewards those who become martyrs with 72 virgins. So sex is what the Arab Muslim murderers die for. It is all about sex. This must tell us a lot about the prophet’s own appetite for sex. He did not spare anyone; even 9 year old girls were not immune to his sexual wrath. Worshiping a sex-maniac and a child molester? I think NOT.Muslims are true victims of Islam. However, they fail to realize that Islam is a cult, and the prophet was a demon, possessed by a huge sexual appetite. Yes, true Muslims firmly believe, that those who die in the act of killing the infidels (Christians, Jews and other non-believers) will not only gain entrance into heaven, but will be greeted by 72 virgin women--most likely, Seventy-Two 9 year old girls.

• Reading above I would rather support Google itself as more reliable than the bloggy websites that feed into Neoconservative agenda.I would appreciate if you could change that reversion to "Sites critical of Islam" and not Islamism which is akin to taking position TerryJ-Ho 19:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Wigtown

The edit about Wigtown not being James Robertson Justice's home town is correct. See the entry on the actor for exhaustive explanation and even a link to his birth certificate.--Stevouk 15:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Of course. :) Explaining how I caught the status template bit would probably get all sorts of cabalists yammering about WP:BEANS, but suffice to say it has to do with our good friend pgkbot. Luna Santin 18:58, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Can you please explain this warning? BhaiSaab ^talk 20:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

And why is it vandalism? BhaiSaab ^talk 20:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

It says "hate speech" right in Google's statement. Please read the section. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:42, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I realize that "hate speech" is probably not better than the former title now for the reasons you stated. However, I don't see any violation of WP:VAND that occurred because of its insertion and ask you to kindly retract your warning. BhaiSaab ^talk 20:52, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Greetings

Thank you for your recent contributions to one of Wikipedia's Uruguay-related articles. Given the interest you've expressed by your edits, have you considered joining the Uruguay WikiProject? It's a group dedicated to improving the overall quality of all Uruguay-related articles.

If you have any questions, see the help pages, ask at the Uruguay project talk page, or feel free to ask me on my talk page.Wesborland 05:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thread on the Misc (missing Misc)

Did you see this thread? I wonder if it has anything to do with archiving? Anchoress 14:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The bot

It looks like it didn't run, don't know why. I've been looking for where you posted the link to the bot edits, but I can't find it. Will keep looking. Just to let you know, I installed it on one of my program drives, in its own directory. When I went and tried to run the executable right now, I got the following error message:

The dynamic link library mscoree.dll could not be found in the specified path (the path of the installed files);.;(then a list of my system folders, each separated by a semicolon).

So it looks like a missing dll? Or misnamed? Is it one you should have given me, or is it one my windows config should have? Just to let you know, I'm running NT4.0 on a fairly ancient machine, but that shouldn't really make a difference I wouldn't think. I'm gonna try a) renaming the dll you gave me to the filename listed, and b) doing a web search for it. Anchoress 02:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I found the driver and installed it, but now I'm getting a different error message:

Please set registry key HKLM\software\microsoft\.NETframework\installroot to point to the .NET Framework install location.

I'm gonna try putting the .dll in the system folder. Then I gotta go grocery shopping before my grocer closes.Anchoress 02:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I'll run the archival now from the code. The problem on your system is that (it appears) that you don't have the .net framework 2.0 installed (this is something I should have mentioned - sorry :)). I don't think that the .net 2.0 is compatible with NT4.0 (but it may be - it's not listed on MS's website). However, if you want to get hold of an implementation of the .net framework (2.0) which will work on your pc, I'd point you in the direction of the mono project and the DotGNU project - both of which may work on windows NT4.0. mscoree.dll is a library included with .net 2.0 which provides information on all the other parts of .net - so it lists all the other functions (basically...). Martinp23 09:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

K. I'm pretty tech savvy, but the whole GNU thing is gnu to me, so I'm gonna post to the computer and help desks and see if I can get a definitive answer as to a version that'll work on NT4. cuz I don't really want to hunt around looking for one. Sorry 'bout that; I hope I can still help you. Anchoress 09:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

OK - it's no problem. I've been using mono on linux for a lot of my bot programs recently. Martinp23 09:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi - I've written another version of the bot which will tell you the version of .net installed when it first loads. This should avoid it dying unexpectedly! You can get it from the same link as before - both the files go in the same folder and if you open the .exe, it may crash, or it may tell you a specific version number. Thanks -- Martinp23 10:10, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I got the same registry key error. Anchoress 10:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

(deindenting)OK - I think the System.Environment (which gives the version number) is new in .net 2.0 - hence the registry error. Can I just check - you don't have the dll I gave you in the system folder, renamed as mscoree.dll do you? That could cause problems, so it's best to delete it (the dll I sent is just functions for my program - nothing for the .net 2.0) Martinp23 10:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh gosh no, lol. I do have an actual mscoree.dll file in the system folder tho. I'll try running the bot without it right now. Nope, didn't work. Anchoress 10:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

lol - I was getting quite worried then. I think it just needs .net now - but at least we know when it'll work because o that crashing-code at the beginning when it doesn't have access to System.Environment. Martinp23 10:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject peer review

Ok, I've added it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review. The page is fairly extensive, and should be a good test of what the bot's likely to run into in practice.

(Before this spreads too widely, incidentally, it might be worthwhile to rename the template to {{WikiProject peer review}}, as the term is normally written in CamelCase.)

Please let me know what happens! :-) Kirill Lokshin 21:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Please feel free to run it. The worst thing that can happen is that the main PR page will be temporarily broken, but I doubt that's too big of an issue. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 22:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, one interesting thing to look at: [1]. Can the bot detect redirects and follow them, or would that be too complicated? Kirill Lokshin 22:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Very nice, they look to be all there. Now to see what the PR folks have to say about the mass transclusion! Kirill Lokshin 22:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, have added WP:BIOPR! --plange 22:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, looks like some of the PR folks have Opinions^TM about what constitues a proper peer review request, and ours don't qualify. Looks like this is going to require some more politicking before it can go live. Kirill Lokshin 23:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Profound thanks

I know the number of pages involved, and am stunned that you managed to get the thing working at all given that number. But, given the probability that at least some projects will probably have their activity off of the main page, like maybe on the members page, it's probably the only effective way to go. Thank you again for the rather pronounced amount of work involved. :) Badbilltucker 22:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Peer review bot

I have updated the Indian peer review department to use the bot. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

This happened. So I have removed the bot request for now. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 00:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

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Newsletter delivery

Hi there! Imoeng mentioned to me that one of your bots might be able to deliver the WikiProject Guitarists newsletter to our members? What would that entail? The newsletter is not regular - it is roughly monthly, but whenever I find time to do it and/or there is material to warrant a newsletter. Any info would be appreciated! --Aguerriero (talk) 20:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Awesome! How does the category idea work? I could use Category:WikiProject Guitarists Participants, but only people who put our userbox on their page get put into that category. --Aguerriero (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem dude - it will likely be at least a couple weeks before we will put out our next newsletter anyway. I will make sure to give you a heads-up several days in advance. Thanks! --Aguerriero (talk) 03:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

WP:RFBOT

I've left a reply at your bot request. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

emot

Hehe, good idea :-P thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 17:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

re: WikiProject Beekeeping

Thanks. I'll consider it. I'm a hobbyist beekeeper and do try to stay current on the research in this area. I'm working on a couple of other initiatives right now and don't have a lot of time for a new workthread but maybe I can contribue usefully when some of those wrap up. Again, thanks. Rossami (talk) 17:17, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

A nice and shiny barnstar!

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For programming the excellent RefDeskBot for the Reference Desk! Keep up the great work! HappyCamper 17:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought some recognition for your hard work was in order. All the best! :-) --HappyCamper 17:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yay! A spiny, shiny one! Martinp23 22:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hungry RefDeskBot

RefDeskBot ate my edit! My guess is that it was just an edit conflict, just not detected due to the bot not using the real page editor. I don't know if it's easy to fix, or if it happens often enough to cause trouble, but I would never have guessed it had happened if I hadn't been curious about the new date header going up. --Tardis 00:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

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The last AC meeting (full log) The list of proposed programs has been updated, with some proposals being archived. There is now a new program: the Tutorial Drive! Consider writing a tutorial on something you are good at doing on Wikipedia. The suggestion of adding a cohesive look to all the Esperanza pages is being considered; join the discussion if you are interested! In order to make a useful interlanguage welcome template, those involved in translation projects will be asked what English Wikipedia policies are most important and confusing to editors coming from other language Wikipedias. A discussion of Esperanza's role in Wikipedia is being held, with all thoughts of all Esperanzians wanted! Shreshth91 informed everyone that he will be leaving the Esperanza council as life is rather busy; his spot will be filled by the runner up from the last election, HighwayCello. Signed... Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Bot for WP1.0

Hi Martin, I was wondering if you were able to make any progress on the bot for version 1.0. I'm quite excited about the possibilities for this, so I hope you're still able to work on it. Can you let me know if you have any questions, or if I can help in any other way. Thanks! Walkerma 06:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me about the proposal for the bot for 1.0. Sorry I took a few days to reply, things are incredibly busy for me right now! I'll try to answer:

• "is the bot to just make the list of articles above a certain quality and importance, and mark out any problems (making a table, for example?)": YES, as far as I can say at this point in time.
• "Also, will it run off a category to check, or another sort of list": If you mean run off in the sense of use as a source, then it will use the talk page categories just like Mathbot. If you mean run off in the sense of produce, it will produce the worlist, log, alphabetical list and statistics (also like Mathbot).

Does this clarify things? You should probably take a look at how Mathbot does its thing, and ask Oleg any seriously technical questions - he may be able to give you some of his code. (Those who have looked at Mathbot's code have commented that it is very nicely done) Once again, many thanks for taking an interest in this; if this can work out it will transform our productivity in the next year from the 1-5000 range into the 10-50,000 article range! Cheers, Walkerma 06:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Great, it sounds like we can get started! I think the set that is most mature at present is a set of broad level maths & science projects. For a trial run, I suggest we try a run through the following categories:

• Category:Chemistry articles by quality and Category:Chemistry articles by importance
• Category:Mathematics articles by quality and Category:Mathematics articles by importance
• Category:Medicine articles by quality and Category:Medicine articles by importance
• Category:Physics articles by quality and Category:Physics articles by importance
• (Unfortunately there is no single Biology project organising things there)

Alternatively, you might prefer to pull the information directly from the worklists such as this worklist, where Mathbot has already done a lot of the work for you. Data in these lists "by quality" are sorted first by quality, and then by importance, so both parameters (quality and importance) are present in the one table.

Regarding the criteria to apply, that's what I'd like to see come out of a test run. There are two possible methods for determining which articles "pass", if it's easy to test both methods then I'd like to do that, so we can see which list looks better.

(a) a minimum level formula (e.g. "B-Class or above for High-importance articles" etc.), or

(b) a simple weighting algorithm (such as this formula which uses multiplication. I'm thinking that an additive algorithm might be more efficient of server time than a multiplicative one (is that right?), and I can design a suitable one if you want (let me know) - efficiency is an issue if the bot ends up crawling through 1 million articles on each run. I think the weighting algorithm may be more adaptable as we move into different levels of WikiProject importance (e.g. Arts > Television > The Simpsons), because we will need to customise the criteria for inclusion for the different levels.

Once the bot finds an article that passes, I'd like it to place that article into a new table (that might look rather like the high quality/importance part of Chemistry articles by quality), then place it in a new category called Category:Chemistry articles for Wikipedia 1.0. After we get that we can review how things look, and consider enhancing things. Does that sound do-able? Once again, thanks for your help! Walkerma 17:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

That looks great! Exactly the kind of thing I had in mind! I want to have a think about things for a day or so, and also come up with a list of "bad things" the bot might look for - these would in effect count as a handicap in the algorithm. I was thinking this would just include POV tags and the like - did you have other things in mind? Thanks, Walkerma 08:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks good! I couldn't see the errors you mentioned; did you mean that people put the comments in Foobar/comments instead of Talk:Foobar/Comments? I presume we just need to await permission before we move forward to adding categories and logs? We're having an IRC meeting on Saturday Mov 4th at 23:00 UTC if you want to join us. It looks like there are several other things to cover so I put "if time" when I added "Use of MartinbotII" to the agenda. Please sign up here if you're interested/around, thanks! Walkerma 09:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Beekeeping

Hi. You'll note that you got more than you bargained for. I am - as I write this - revising the honey bee page, as nearly all of the content of Honey bee belonged in Apis mellifera. This is long-overdue, and I hope you and the others who arre interested in honey bees will adapt to editing the A. mellifera article when discussing A. mellifera in the future. Peace, Dyanega 00:41, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not so much interested in joining the wikiproject as simply seeing a need for there to not be a conflict with my activities in Wikipedia:WikiProject_Arthropods. Basically, if an article contains a taxobox, and deals with an arthropod taxon, then I have some interest in whether or not it is in good shape. I pay special attention to bee-related articles, and knowing about your wikiproject prompted me to revisit the most important articles where our interests overlap. I see that User:Rossami has already expressed dismay at the disruption, but hopefully that will blow over, especially if you can make it clear that you endorse it, and intend to use Honey bee that way, and not the way it had been used, as a "dumping-ground" for European honey bee content. There will also still need to be a concerted and explicit effort to have editors use "honey bee' rather than "honeybee". Good luck, Dyanega 00:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adams Ranch

Could you please take another look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adams Ranch? I added sources to Adams Ranch. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 00:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Barnstar!

Happy to be of service. Best,--Amerique ^dialectics 03:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Bot for related changes

Way cool, thanks! In looking through the updates this morning, I noticed that pages that were already listed that didn't yet have {{TrainsWikiProject}} on them (such as NCC Class U2) were removed from the list. Can the bot be easily modified to keep pages listed that were manually added? AdThanksVance. Slambo (Speak) 14:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I like your idea better. If it adds the template with no parameters, then the article will be listed in Category:Unassessed rail transport articles, which I already look at daily. I'm doing a quick bit of cleanup through the Template, Image, Category, etc., sections to remove items that were deleted, so any time after about 30 minutes from now would be a fine time to start that run. Slambo (Speak) 14:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for looking into it. I can grab the pertinent article titles out of the page histories. Slambo (Speak) 15:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

For work on the RD Archiving bot

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		Awarded to Martin23p by User:Light current for his amazing technical work on writing the RD archiving bot. Well done and Thanks! Light current 16:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Copying to user page :) Martinp23 16:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

AMA/Caligvla/Armenia

Yes, I am working on the Caligvla case; sorry I forgot to change the case status to open. Thanks for your offer of help; I'm very new at this (advocacy, that is) and would indeed like some advice about this complicated case. You can get all the details from the discussion on my talk page, but basically the situation is this: User:Caligvla maintains that Armenia is in Asia, not Europe, and wants to change the Armenia page to reflect this. User:Eupator, User:Augustgrahl and User:Tekleni do not agree, arguing that the existing description of Armenia as a 'Eurasian' country is fair and unbiased. They point out that Armenia is in the Council of Europe, and have furthermore accused Caligvla of anti-Armenian prejudice and of using questionable anthropological/racial studies to classify the Armenians as Asian. Can you give me some advice (either here or on my talk page) about AMA procedure in dealing with cases like this? Walton monarchist89 17:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm replying here to save you from a potential torrent of replies based on what I'm saying on your talk page! From what I can see, the current paragraph is fine, perhaps with a bit of tweaking, but it is important to demonstrate a NPOV, and I would like to see your advocee give a source that the Armenian govt classifies itself as being part of Asia minor - a search on the Armenian govt site gives 5 results for a search for "Asia", with 27 for a search for "Europe" (in the transalted sections). A text search for Europe in this govt page gives the impression the Armenia is part of Europe. Geographically however, as I'm sure you know, the country is on the "fracture line", and so it is its politics which really determines its continent. As it is, I feel best saying that it is part of both, but the problem we have is conveying this to your advocee (should you agree with this, which it seems you do). Now this is really where advocacy gets difficult - when the advocee is wrong (at least to an extent). Start off by asking all parties to assume good faith, as this seems to be a huge problem at times in this case. Now, as both sides are throwing sources around like free footballs at a fotbal factory open day, I think the only thing to say about sources is to make sure that they are reliable and verifiable - which, by the abundance of them, seems to be true. The main thing you can emphasize is WP:NPOV, and that if there are multiple reliable sources disagreeing over one key fact (as is the case here), then a balanced arguement needs to be presented in the article, avoiding POV. It will be beneficial to move the arguement to the article talk page, where others will be able to make an input without filling your talk page. I think it's just important for you to impress upon your advocee the importance of NPOV (a building block of WP), and that your job is to advise him, and try to seek a compromise. In this advisory capacity, I'd suggest that you suggest to him to follow the apparent WP:CONSENSUS and try to make an NPOV paragraph, representing both views, avoiding WP:WEASEL words.

That's all I can think of now, but if you have any questions, I'll try to help -- Martinp23 19:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice. I've now taken a straw poll on my talk page, which has not helped matters as there is equally strong support and opposition for the proposed compromise. At least it no longer appears that there's a consensus for keeping the page as it is, but the opposition from User:Eupator and User:The Myotis is sufficiently strong that I don't have a mandate to change the page. I don't know what to try now - any advice would be welcomed. Walton monarchist89 11:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi - there certainly seems to be a deadlock on your talk page! The first thing to do (I feel) is to post a straw poll on the article talk page, to invite wider input. Should this remain deadlocked, I think an RFC on article content is more approriate - which invites the outside views of the wikipedia community. Should you do this, it's probably helpful to get each of the involoved partices to make a statement on the RfC page - then hopefully a consensus can be gained! Basically, since the members of the dispute are in a complete deadlock, the only option is to open it up to the community. Hope this helps, and I'm always willing to answer any other questions :) Martinp23 12:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Dhammafriend

Are his comments to my talk page acceptable?Hkelkar 20:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

All right. But Dhammafriend persists in repeated incivility and makes insulting comments in his edit summaries.I have reported him on WP:ANIHkelkar 21:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Newsletter

Hi how are you? Its already there. The previous newsletter is on /Week42. Thanks very much! Imoeng 09:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC) (Done) Martinp23 13:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Thanks Martin :'( (shortcut on MSN). I do hope I will change my mind and be back here too. But in the mean time, I have sold my life for Progressive Metal. See ya (every two weeks :P), good luck and take care -- Imoeng 12:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Time before archiving

Nice one for the work with the reference desk bot. I hav a small problem, currently your archiving after only two days, often on the mathematics pages discussions go on for a bit longer than that. I only answered one question after the discussions was archived which means that the response would not show up in the questioners watchlist. It might be better to leave a little longer before archiving, or posibly archive from the word go, so any new questions are put in the appropriate dated page. --Salix alba (talk) 13:03, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I've now posted this at WT:RD. --Salix alba (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Closing Cases

Hi Steve, I've been through the open and pending cases today, to see if any are ready for closing. I closed a pending case *Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance/Requests/October_2006/wgungfu as it seems to have gone away after the AIV and a bit of a wait. I've left messages on two of your other cases:

• Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance/Requests/October_2006/OkamiItto looks ready to close, as your message seems to be accepted, and Duke53 doesn't look like he'll be replying any time soon (though he is active, no reply has been left - this may or may not be something to chase up..)
• Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/September 2006/antoinettenora is almost certainly ready to close - the (strange combination of) users involved have all left wikipedia (AFAIK) and the article up for discussion has been deleted twice, once under AfD, and then for recreation of deleted material!

Thanks, Martinp23 16:04, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Martin :-) I would have closed these a week or so ago. They're taken care of now. :-) אמר Steve Caruso _(desk/AMA) 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: FYI

Re your message: I think Nathan means well, but I was just questioning his actions from the POV that I didn't want to see bad advice handed out to another editor. Nathan's actions since he took the first AMA case have not exactly been stellar either. I just wanted to make sure that somebody was aware what was going on. I'm glad that it's being watched. Thanks. -- Gogo Dodo 18:26, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Re your messages: I'm glad that the case has closed. Thanks for watching over things. See you around. =) -- Gogo Dodo 05:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

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Refdeskbot

Hi Martin, can you please check the latest archival done by RefDeskBot to the WP:HD. It took off all the header info along with the archival -- Lost^(talk) 02:11, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

The archive in question is Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2006_November_5, and I have manually corrected everything (I think). Here is the diff where the bot make the weird edit; I'm kind of confused as to what caused it, it seems to be mixing up the archive page and the real page because there was no title for the first post, it was just asked underneath the = January 6 = title. There were/are other errors on the page, trying to find out what happened.  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  03:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Basically it seems that a bunch of things happened at the same time. Soon after the bot screwed up the archive because of the missing header, someone vandalized the page, and when it was restored it wasn't really done properly, so the bot screwed up again on the next archive. There was a different number of transcluded pages at the top than the bot expected, so it would have screwed up again today if it hadn't been fixed right now. Watch out when fiddling with the headers!  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  03:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I've checked last nights archives and everything seemed fine this time. Get well soon Martin!  freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ  03:02, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Lost^(talk) 03:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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Armenia

Thanks for your help on the Armenia dispute. Caligvla and I are going to take your advice and leave the dispute for a week. Obviously I want to avoid going to the mediation cabal, as it ought to be a last resort - but it looks increasingly like that may be the only way to close this case. (Just out of interest, are AMA cases usually this difficult to resolve?) Walton monarchist89 09:27, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Sock puppets

How is your health, hope you are alright. I was away from wiki for quite a while as I was having my University assessment. I am not a sockpuppet of anyone nor do i have created "other" accounts. I use my University computers and i am sure many other folks also edit wiki from the lab. user Hkelker is trying to be quite unfair with me(always editing my userpage by saying that i am sockpuppet) and he too has a case of sockpuppetery.

Mujeerkhan 1:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

See this:

Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Mujeerkhan Hkelkar 04:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Admin

I took a quick look at your work, and I think you could make a fine administrator. To make sure I didn't overlook anything: 1) What are your major tasks on Wikipedia? 2) What do you think you'd need admin powers for? 3) Have you ever been involved in a conflict?

If you can answer these to my satisfaction (after you get well, of course), I'd be happy to nominate you. - Mgm|^(talk) 11:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

• Can you also tell me approximately when you started editing and when those conflicts you mentioned occured? - Mgm|^(talk) 13:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your bot is broken

Hello there, most of the edits User:MartinBotII is making are incorrect. I've blocked it for 15 minutes as of 10 minutes ago. Please ensure that its problems are fixed before restarting. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 15:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like we posted to each other's talk pages at exactly the same time (-: Thanks for your response. JYolkowski // talk 15:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist

Thanks for the helping hand on User Talk:Xargoth. I'll try to avoid that particular mistake in the future . . .  ;-P TheronJ 15:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

E@L support Barnstar

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		Though what you did is not so random, I, on behalf of E@L, award you this barnstar for your support. Randfan 18:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

no problem. You deserved it, even if she didn't.... Randfan 19:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Armenia case - can I take another one?

As Caligvla and I are disengaging temporarily from the Armenia dispute, am I allowed to take on another case in the meantime, or is there a rule against handling two cases concurrently? By the way, thanks for all your help in the Armenia dispute. Walton monarchist89 10:37, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

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Just Wondering...

If you wanted to take this case here: Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/November 2006/Hkelkar 2. You advocated for him before, so you might know a little better backstory. If you don't want to though, I guess someone else will do it. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 00:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

RefDeskBot

Is operating behind by a good 6 or 7 minutes! You need to fix the clock on your home computer! ;) -Patstuart^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)