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Hi. I thought it might kick you to see the progress of my work on the Giza writing board. Take a look!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:24, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

PS: I'm done: Giza writing board. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:06, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Superb I am really fan of the outline of the article and how you explained the content of each list!!!! Iry-Hor (talk) 20:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, thx for the flowers. ;o) However, the two main sources are really rich in content. They explain every detail - so do I. ;) All I do different is using more simple phrasing in attempt to make it easier for our readers. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Why on Earth would the guy choose Hotepsekhemwy and Sekhemket to put on his list? It's not like they are so great pharaohs. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:30, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is indeed THE great riddle Egyptologists are gossiping about. Hotepsekhemwy is thought to be of importance because he founded a new dynasty after "saving Egypt". The name "Bedjau" is tzhought to be a misreading of the hieroglyphs for "Hotep-sekhemwy", but to be honest - I don't believe that anymore. To me it looks like the Egyptians have always used the birthname "Bedjau". And 5th dynasty is a bit too close for such drastically name warps, isn't it? If you whish, I'm gonna start a new section where I explain my theory of the name "Bedjau".

About Sekhemkhet: yeah, this king is like a one-hit-wonder: short lived and quickly forgotten. Some scholars doubt the identification of "Teti" with Sekhemkhet. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 20:42, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos The Fifth Dynasty isn't so close to Hotepsekhemwy's time really, even considering that Mesdjerw lived in the early Fifth Dynasty c. 2500 BC, this is still a full 300 years after Hotepsekhemwy's reign. You can add another 150 years to this if Mesdjerw lived close to the end of the 5th Dynasty. Thus, I am not saying it is impossible that Bedjau was Hotepsekhemwy's birth name, rather it seems plausible to me that his name got corrupted in the intervening time, I mean it is a bit as if you knew how to write Joseph I's or Maximilian II's full names without mistakes and without even looking at wikipedia to know who these guys were!! Iry-Hor (talk) 13:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Nebiryraw and Harpocrates

Hello, do you ever heard about a statuette of Harpocrates with the cartouche of a king Nebiryraw (I or II)? It's peculiar because this deity was introduced during the Ptolemaic period, well over a millennia after Nebiryraw's life and death. I have only few infos about this curious issue, confirming the existence of this statuette, so I was wondering if you knew something more about that! Khruner (talk) 16:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Khruner So I looked up Ryholt on this and he says that there is indeed a Bonze Statuette of unknown provenance and now in the Cairo Museum (JE 38189) constituting a non contemporary attestation of Nebyryraw I. Ryholt comments that the statuette contains the prenomina Sewadjenre and Neferkare (so two kings?) headed by the title Netjer-Nefer (the good god, note the singular) and the names "Ahmose" and "Bintu" with no royal attributes. Nebiryraw I is the only king known to have had the prenomen Sewadjenre so he is almost certainly the king referred to here. In addition, Redford (not Ryholt) has conjectured that the "Neferkare" could be Nebiryraw II however this remains speculation since Nebiryraw II's prenomen is lost on the Turin canon and otherwise unknown. Ryholt concludes interestingly that it is "wholly obscure" why Nebiryraw I should be commemorated on a statuette dated to the Late Period and what was his relation to Ahmose and Bintu. The statuette is also mentioned in Redford's 1986 book Pharaonic King-Lists, p.55[27]. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:56, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! The "incomplete version" of Ryholt which was so useful to me today for Nebiryraw's dagger, was completely useless for the statuette, and the few sources I had are all written in German and basically says almost nothing beside reporting its existence. Now, having these informations and above all the id. number will help a lot in my quest, maybe I will be able to get a pic of it. Khruner (talk) 17:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

And your drawings are basically amazing. Unfortunately the word has been debased by over-use lately but I do mean it, I still can't get over what you did for Bebiankh and Semenre, to the point that I regularly come back to these pics in awe. I have a question of my own for you: I realised recently that one king of the 14th dynasty with an attestation had no article on wiki: Nebsenre. I am writing the article as we speak and of course did not find a pic of Nebsenre's attestation: a bowl bearing his name. If you ever encounter it, please let me know (meanwhile, I will chase down the sources for this.) Iry-Hor (talk) 17:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the appreciations :) It's stronger than me, every article should be illustrated and I actually like more pic hunting than standard editing. Direct drawing was the natural consequence when facing copyright issues, sometimes it's challenging (especially in 3D works, I just hate the pic I did for Mershepsesre) but actually is the best "copyright-killer" I have found so far (not always, but always in our cases). I just noticed that the axe was my last coloured drawing, I was probably inspired in that period. However, I never heard of Nebsenre before, but thanks to the "incomplete Ryholt" and to the local OPAC, it is likely that in 1-2 days I will obtain a plate of that bowl. Khruner (talk) 19:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Khruner so the article for Nebsenre is now live, the only source given by Nebsenre's jar is a 1973 book by Kaplony where he presents the many incredible pieces of the Michailides collection. I am not sure this book is widely circulated to say the least, it is probably hard to find. It is not the first time that I have heard of this book which I believe recels wonders, the Michailides collection being one of the most significant, e.g. the statue of Nynetjer belonged to it. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Just read it, thanks for the creation! Yes this is the same souce I found and I already found it in the library of the archaeological dept of my university. Tomorrow or tuesday I'll borrow it. Khruner (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

So you have the book!?! Could you possibly scan it? In any case watch out for other interesting stuffs in it, I can't remember where but I have read of other interesting things from this book. Iry-Hor (talk) 19:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

No no, "just read it" referred to your article; about the book, I will have it soon! Unless someone borrow it before I could :) I will first scan and send the index to you so you can get an idea about the things you could be interested for! Khruner (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

That would be like Christmas for me, I am sure that there are wonderful things in there. Thank you for all of this! Iry-Hor (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

← Hello, have you received my email? Khruner (talk) 20:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Khruner Goddamn it no, they were in my spam box. Thanks for letting me know I just opened them, this looks quite extraordinary! I am actually not disappointed at all with Nebsenre's jar. It's a glimpse at the unknown through the unfathomable depths of time. Iry-Hor (talk)

Khruner Did you see this?!?! Axes of Khendjer, an attestation of Sneferka and I am just starting! This has to be seen to be believed! Iry-Hor (talk) 20:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and I noticed that some of these objects are now at the LACMA. Just look for the "disc" lids here: you will find in order, the numbers 42, 36, 40, 39 and 37 on Kaplony's book. It seems that these were donated/sold to the LACMA some time after 1973 but sadly, Nebsenre's lid is not among these. Khruner (talk) 10:59, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh some of this pics are excellent, much better than what we have in the wiki articles (think Merhotepre Ini and Seqenenre Tao). I wonder what happened to the rest of the Michailides collection then? Do you think they might know what at LACMA? Iry-Hor (talk) 11:04, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Probably the best main pic for Seqenenre should have been his somewhat-iconic severed head, but that's a personal opinion and I don't know if a "scary picture policy" do exist on Wikipedia. About the question, it is possible that the Michailidis collection still is in existence although impoverished, or maybe it was totally dismembered. the Met and the British have many objects formerly in the collection, so maybe the second hypothesis is realistic. Only a way to find it out, but maybe a museum which have aquired a part of a former collection, does not really care much about where the rest is gone. Khruner (talk) 11:25, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

About "Bedjau"

Aahh.. hehe... I forgot.^^ Well, my theory about that name is this:

There is an ominous ruler named "Bird". It is thought by Beckerath, Schneider, Helck and Wilkinson, that this dude ruled either at the very end of the first dynasty, or at the midst of the second dynasty. The problem is the bird-depiction.

What do you say if I tell you that the reading of this bird might be "Bedja(u)"? There is indeed a bedjau-goose depicted during the reign of king Djer and Wadj. The bird is shown to be a special grave good for the deceased king. bedjau means something like "to proceed" or "guidance" (according to Morenz). My theory includes that Hor-Bedjau, Hor-Sneferka and Hor-Sekhet once ruled between Qa'a and Hotepsekhemwy as some kinda intermediate dynasty. But they were later excluded from official king lists, because their dynasty caused struggles amongst Egypt.

I also observed, that the throne name (niswt-bity nebty) is always exact the same as the serekh name from king Qa'a up to king Sekhemkhet. Isn't that interesting? That's why I do not believe into this nonsense about "misreading" and I also don't believe in Weneg being identical with Raneb. Raneb already HAD a throne- and nisut-bity name, and always was Raneb. I'll create a table with hieroglyphs to demonstrate what I mean.

But back to Bedjau. Again, I think that this odd name originally meant "Bird", not Hotepsekhemwy. Because: look at the Sakkara King List and the Royal Canon of Turin. Here Hotepsekhemwy is named Netjer-Bau. How is that possible??? Two completely different birthnames for one pharaoh? As if! Where the hay did the get the hieroglyphs for "Netjer-Bau" from????

Here my theory strikes: Bedjau = Hor-Bedjau; Netjer-Bau = Hor-Hetepsekhemwy. Their personalities just merged together because of the ramesside censoring.

What do you think? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe a look here helps to understand what I mean. The table is meant to show how I would divide the Early and Old Kingdom today. As you can see, my dividing concentrates on how certain groups of rulers used and designed their names and titles. What do you think? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos But no! Bedjau = Hor-Bedjau = Netjer-Bau = Hor-Hetepsekhemwy after what you said and what you just showed me, the first thing that came to my mind was that Bedjau was a name of Hotepsekhemwy and that Horus Bird could be one of his names as well. Look if there was indeed trouble between the death of Qa'a and his accession to the throne, he must have been one of the pretender. As such I would expect him to have adopted a royal titulary (like other claimants) only to change it once he have defeated other competitors. He wouldn't be the only pharaoh to do exactly that, Pepi I change his titulary after troubles, Mentuhotep II did so several times reflecting his successes etc. And each time the title they adopt reflect there success: "Hotepsekhemwy" does just that. Iry-Hor (talk) 10:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

That might be. But what if there has never been trouble whatsoever??? This is one of the things that bothers me about Egyptology. It's a bit disturbing, how often scholars interprete some "dynasty struggle" into any oddity that comes along with contemporary king lists.

It's the same thing as with the (today luckily disproven) theory about dynastic struggles because some rulers scratched out the names of their direct predecessors. As good as every ruler re-used certain jubilee vessels and scratched out the predecessor's name. Thus, this is no prove for dynastic struggles, on the contrary: this behaviour proves that the vessels were bequeathed from ruler to ruler as some kind of inheritance gift. It rather helps to identify the direct predecessor of a certain king. Example: Nynetjer took vessels from Raneb, who in turn took them from Hetepsekhemwy. Two stone bowls from Giza show a clear Nynetjer beside heavily grazed Raneb and Hetepsekhemwy. Another example are the famous jubilee vessels of Khasekhemwy showing a cartouche held by Nekhbet: look closely and you'll see weak traces of the Horus name "Sekhemib"!

Back to your argument: That's pretty strange what you say. Why on earth should a pharaoh change his complete titulary??? Was he even allowed to do that? We don't know that and espacially the early Egyptians left no clue about this. I can't imagine that a pharaoh was allowed to change his name just as he pleased. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Ok it is true that there are only indirect clues for problems at the end of the first dynasty. First there are the likes of Sneferka and Horus Bird, suggesting very short lived kings at the time between Qa'a and Hotepsekhemwy. Second the name of Hotepsekhemwy suggests restored peace after troubles. As for changing the name, it is well known that some (great) pharaohs did it, again see Pepi I Meryre and Mentuhotep II and Apophis for three prominent exemples and of course Khasekhemwy! Hence postulating that they weren't allowed to change as they pleased is refuted by evidence. Iry-Hor (talk) 11:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

As for me, it's especially the case of Hetepsekhemwy that bothers me. Why? Well, in contrast to Khasekhemwy we have no name change here! ;o) Hotepsekhemwy was always "Hotepsekhemwy". Khasekhemwy however, changed from "Kha-sekhem" to "Kha-sechemwy". Now to my prize winning question: why did Hotepsekhemwy NOT change his name??? Like, from "Hetepsekhem" into "Hetepsekhemwy"??? There is no "Hetepsechem"!

My second cardinal argument is the fact, that ramesside king lists allegedly use TWO DIFFERENT cartouche names for ONE AND THE SAME ruler! C'mon, do you really believe that? Have a look: at Giza and Abydos it's Bedjau, but at Sakkara and in the Turin Canon it's Netjer-Bau! Sorry, buddy, that this is definitively too phat for me. Such phat differences can't be explained by simple "misreading" - of what anyway??? Indeed, NO f*cking title, name or word of Hetepsekhemwy's lifetime could be used to build any of these names!

Not as long as: "Bedjau" was a different ruler, but his name merged with that of Hetepsekhemwy - such a case is proposed for Nynetjer, who is named "Ba-netjer" in all king lists, despite NO single title, name or word at Nynetjer's time uses the Ba-sign (neither the bird nor the ram).

Well, Wolfgang Helck points to several objects with the Ka-house of Heteps.. Inside this Ka-house the name Netjer-Ach or Ach-Netjer can be found. Helck claims, that this was the god Netjer-Achti. Nonsense in my opinion. At first, since when did the early Egyptians put the name of a god inside a ka-house??? There is no comparing case proven to hold this theory! Indeed, NO Egyptian ruler of the earliest dynasties mentions a deity inside their ka-house. The only thing you can find in a ka-house is a serekh-less Horus name and the phrase Za-Ha-Neb or Ha-Za-Neb inside. But a deity? Why should it, anyway? A ka-house was am offering chapel denoted to the king, not a temple denoted to a god.

I believe that Ach-Netjer was in fact the birth name of Heteps., but the Ach-bird was later erroneously read as a Ba- and Bau'-bird. This would explain as where the ramesside name Netjer-Bau comes from. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

166. vandal

If one of the Admins dealing with this isn't around, report to WP:AIV mentioning WP:ARARAT and what's been happening. Thanks for letting me know. Doug Weller (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Doug Weller I actually did as well as another editor (MONGO) [1]. You were the fastest to act. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:43, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Good. Doug Weller (talk) 21:45, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Nimaethap

Hi. I have re-written the article in my workshop. Seriously, the current version is pure horror, it's badly referenced and I was unable to find the diction "Nimaethap" in ALL of my books. Indeed, I only found "Hepenmaat" (outdated), "Nimaathap" and "Nimaat-Hapi. This should be fixed. If nothing speaks against my plan, I'm gonna renew the article. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos sorry I am too busy at the moment to look at this. I will read the article later, also I have my own ideas on Hotepsekhemwy, we will discuss this as soon as I have got more wiki time. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:37, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

No problem. ;o) Meanwhile, I'm busy with writing articles about some important high officials: Metjen and Khabawsokar are new, next will be Akhetaa. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:57, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Sheshi

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Khufu's family tree

Hi there. I have turned the family tree into a tidy list with some short infos for certain family members. What do you think? Is it better that the old block? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Hello Nephi, I think that the WP:MOS restrict the use of bold fonts to pretty much the first word of the article, so you might have to change this if one day you want to see Khufu promoted to GA or FA (the article itself looks good enough that you could try!). Also the MOS restrict the use of adjectives like "Famous" and "Surprisingly". But one thing is sure, as you have put it, the family tree is very clear which helps the reader understand Khufu's huge family in a glance. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Better now?^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:15, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Iry-Hor!

(Charles R. Knight, 1922)

Iry-Hor, I wish you and those dear to you golden days of love and joy in a Happy New Year 2016! Best regards, Sam Sailor Talk! 00:19, 2 January 2016 (UTC) Pass on! Send this greeting by adding {{subst:User:Sam Sailor/Templates/HappyNewYear}} to user talk pages. Automatic level-2 heading and auto-signing included.

(Unknown artist, Norway, 1916)

Sam Sailor Wow thank you! Happy new year to you too, I wish you all the best! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:29, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Hi, Iry-Hor! A happy new year and all good things to you and to your family and friends! May your Ka shine, your Ba thrive and your Ach be enlighted all year long! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:36, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Thank you Nephi, I wish you all the best too and I hope to read more of your articles in the coming year! Iry-Hor (talk) 16:25, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Definitively. ;o) And I hope to see you busy here asap again. For a good work together!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:06, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sheshi

The article Sheshi you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Sheshi for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Tim riley -- Tim riley (talk) 22:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Ehh!?! At the talk-site I read the total contradicting summarize: "green plus"!? --Nephiliskos (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that is clearly a very strange mistake of Legobot since the article passed both GA and FA over a month ago! I will try to see what is going on.... Iry-Hor (talk) 10:32, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Good idea! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:46, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Picture request

Huhu!^^ If you click on Lazaro's link, search the first two pages. Please look for following names:

(Hepen-Ptah; [2])

(Wadj-tefni; [3])

(Mesen-Ka; [4])

(Ruaben; [5])

(Sat-Khnum; [6])

(Shepset-ipet; [7])

Most of these are mentioned on stone bowls, Shepset-ipet and Sat-Khnum have a stela. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos could you just copy and paste the links here? Iry-Hor (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Done. ;o) Btw., could you look these two pics, too? Nynetjer and the Ka-house of Hotepsekhemwy + Entrance to the underground galleries of Hotepsekhemwy. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so the pics for Sat-Khnum and Shepset-ipet are from the literature and thus not in the public domain. For the rest it should be fine, I am looking into this and also try to make sure the licenses are changed in the right way. I will let you know when they have been uploaded. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:16, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Awesome!^^ No problem, the ladies gotta be honored with drawings from me. ;o) Could ye please put diffs to the uploaded files on my discussion page? Thx!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:34, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Flickr images of Tutankhamun for Wikicommons

Dear Iry-Hor,

Would it be worthwhile to upload some of this flickr images of Tut's treasures' to wikicommons? They can be categorized under Tutankahmun, I guess. Commons only has this image used Tutankhamun here. I don't know anything about this exhibit in Germany. Just wondering. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv that would be a good idea however the author Carsten Frenzl uses the license "Some rights reserved" on the FlickR account which means we cannot upload the pictures to commons unless he changes the license to "Public domain". Thus there are two options: 1) either he uploads the pictures on commons herself as he did for the golden mask (being the author he can obviously do that); or 2) he changes the licenses at least momentarily to "Public Domain" while the upload process takes place and can change the license back afterwards. In any case, it seems best to contact her directly on FlickR and I can do so (in particular since he has already uploaded some of her pics on commons). Iry-Hor (talk) 20:47, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Update: so I contacted the author, asking him if he is willing to upload all his album. If not I will propose point 2), we will see what he says, but I think we have a good chance. Iry-Hor (talk) 21:10, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Some Rights Reserved or cc-by-2.0 is a 'free license' since there are no Commercial or Derivatiove restrictions. --Leoboudv (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Woops. So we can upload directly? Iry-Hor (talk) 21:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Yes you can. This image passed flickrreview. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:26, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• PS: For your friend Lazaroo, you should ask him if he can relicense his flickr images to Either CC zero (public domain dedication on flickr) OR cc-by 2.0 (Attribution on flickr) as cc-pd is not considered a license on Commons--and any image with this license will not be marked on Commons and will eventually be deleted. A cc-pd licensed image is not accepted on Commons sadly. Some Admins warned me not to mark images with the cc-pd flickr license that Lazaroo is using. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv yes I am aware of this for Lazaro, that is why he is puting selected images in the public domain the time it takes for them to be uploaded and reviewed. Iry-Hor (talk) 22:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• OK. Its good that you know about the Lazaroo license problem. Just flickrmail him and ask if he can license his images as either 'public domain dedication' or 'Attribution' on flickr. Lazaroo's current flickr license is 'Public Domain Work' or cc-pd but WikiCommons does NOT accept this license because anyone can withdraw it at anytime without consequences. It is NOT a license at all according to the Admins who have created a category for such images...to be eventually deleted without a license change on flickr by Lazaroo. As an aside, I uploaded only 8 images from the Tutankhamun set of images below and flickrreview passed all of them. Please feel free to upload others (there are more of furniture and jewellry) if the flickr account owner has not changed the license. Here are my images from this account on Commons--and I don't have time to upload any more:
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012b_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012a_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012c_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_chariot_(side_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_throne_(side_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012a_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012b_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012c_view).jpg

Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 23:13, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv I absolutely need your help: Lazaro has agreed to let many pictures have this copyright here, could you confirm that this is the right one? Also are you a wikicommons reviewer? If so, could you quickly review the pictures of this category? The wikicommons bot has accepted them but it still says "manual review is required to verify the file is indeed Public Domain in the source country and in the US. If you are an administrator or a trusted user, you can review the image and remove the tag.". I would like to have this done asap so that I can tell Lazaro that these pics have been uploaded and proceed with more pictures. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:14, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• It is 1:30 AM here in Canada and I have to go to bed. That flickr license you mentioned is NOT OK to Commons. Commons can accept only 3 licenses! The public domain dedication option on flickr is called CCO as this image is licensed and Commons can accept that. Commons can also accept the "Attribution" flickr option which is how this image is licensed (as the Tutankhamun images are licensed OR the Attribution-ShareAlike flickr license option as the image is licensed. Commons will NOT accept images with this license at all here CC-PD.

• I have a flickr account and I just checked out what the acceptable flickr licenses are. Tell Lazaroo to please change his flickr license to either 1. public domain dedication OR 2. Attribution OR 3. Attribution-ShareAlike . Look at this Flickr License Table I am a reviewer on Commons but I am not an Admin and I have a job too. Goodnight. --Leoboudv (talk) 09:37, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Well thank you and goodnight then! Iry-Hor (talk) 09:46, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• I uploaded these 3 final images from the Tutankhamun set but please feel free to upload more images:
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012d_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012e_view).jpg
• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Deities_on_Tutankhamun%E2%80%99s_gilded_shrines_(2012f_view).jpg

I also ordered a new flickrreview on your earlier Lazaroo images--the ones that previously had the wrong license--and the flickrbot passed them all like this. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:02, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

• Comment: Hmm! I just found out that the display of the German Tutankhamun objects in 2012 at Frankfurt....were all replicas after using Google translate! I'll make a note of that in my image description. It seemed too good to be true and the Egyptian authorities would never allow the real treasures to be photographed like this. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:24, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv First of all, thank you once more for your help concerning the Lazaro pictures! About the Tutankhamun artefacts, I also thought so especially since Egypt wants to attract tourists so badly since the revolution (they even allow photos in the Egyptian museum now!). In any case, the difference between the originals and the replicas are likely too subtle to be seen on photographies. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Article Pehen-Ptah

Yo! Here we go!^^ Meet Pehen-Ptah (lemma after Hermann Ranke). Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:10, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Excellent! I have added one reference and I found your English was actually pretty good, nice job! Iry-Hor (talk) 10:44, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Iry-Hor Thank you! Next is incoming, too!^^ And my two drawings are as good as done. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Cuz three is a lucky number

Hi. Meet Wadjitefni, Mesen-ka and Shepset-ipet! ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos This is really excellent! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:41, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Iry-Hor Thx for the flowers! However, I still keep looking for further sources and backgrounds. I was also thinking about a new categories: Ancient Egyptian prince, Ancient Egyptian princess and Ancient Egyptian high official. What do you think? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

This is always a good idea to make useful categories but to fill them with all princes/princesses or high officials would require a lot of work: there must be tens if not hundreds of articles to be put in these categories. Plus some cases are unclear, such as Isesi-ankh whom some believe was a prince, others, simply a high official. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:12, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

And the next lady: one courtsey for Sehefener!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Neithhotep

EEF News had an article on the regent Queen Neithhotep today (sorry on Thursday) which shows 1. that she was not married to Narmer as her Wikipedia article claims and that she was a regent queen early in the reign of Djer. They gave these sources here and here So, the information about Neithhotep in Narmer and Hor-Aha is wrong since this is new information. Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:57, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

LeoboudvNephiliskos And that is completely amazing thank you! I have edited Narmer and Hor Aha, and I am trying to access the science article of Tallet to say more abou the regency in Djer's article. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:43, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

This is indeed baffling. Neithhotep is entitled as "the coequal one who is given to Hor-Djer, Neithhotep". Theo only thing that keeps me busy is the number 11 written beneath. What does it mean? That she was escorting Djer in his 11th year of rulership? Another thing that is baffling: look closely to the most right signs! They show Djer's birthname! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 08:32, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Khruner is on EEF too so he would have received this Thursday's EEF News issue. I have little knowledge of the early dynastic period. I guess only Neithhotep's article must be updated now. Goodnight from Canada, --Leoboudv (talk) 09:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually I'm not on EEF (not yet at least), sorry about that :( Khruner (talk) 12:51, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Lemme do it, lemme do it!^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead do it but make sure to limit what you write to what is published in the reference! Iry-Hor (talk) 12:41, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Iry-Hor: Don't worry, I'll let you read it before moving it into the official article sites. ;) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:59, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Done!^^ Take a look! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:39, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos I am confused, where did you see that she was Djer's wife? I thought she was Hor-Aha's wife and the regent early in the reign of Djer, i.e. when he was little. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Iry-Hor Now I'm confused, too. I understand the report like it was saying that Neithhotep was ONCE thought to be Aha's wife. Or not...? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:00, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos No she was thought to have been Narmer's wife and possibly Hor-Aha's mother. Iry-Hor (talk) 17:50, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Right you are. I corrected it. Please look again. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:09, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Neithhotep was Not the wife of Narmer as Tyldesley and Dodson write. Their information is now dated...but Nephiliskos suggestion will resolve this. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 19:37, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv yes I agre that is what I pointed out since Nephi got confused. I quite like the revision of the Neithhotep article that Nephiliskos has put up in his workshop. Iry-Hor (talk) 20:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Lady Neithhotep has now an updated article. ;o) Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 23:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

• Good work Nephiliskos. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Problems with Inykhnum

Some overeager user keeps reverting my update on Inykhnum. I simply updated, emended and actualized the article after standards like Penebui, Sehener and such. Would you help me out here? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 09:06, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	Thanks for your help fighting sockpuppets. Doug Weller talk 09:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Doug Weller thank you very much, I hope Ararat Arev isn't going to come back for long! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 28, 2016

Iry-Hor, a summary of a Featured Article you nominated at WP:FAC will appear on the Main Page soon. It mostly follows the lead section; how does it look? - Dank (push to talk) 00:08, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Dank It looks very good and reads very well! By the way, if you are interested in having more ancient pharaohs on today's FA, there is now Sheshi that might interest you. He dates to roughly 8 centuries after Shepseskare. Iry-Hor (talk) 10:05, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Precious again, your "virtually everything that is known about this pharaoh"!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:26, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Thank you very very much! Iry-Hor (talk) 10:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

about the new article section design

hi there! I got an brilliant idea: what about naming the section "identity" into "personal background(s)"? And if you dislike the section "name" so much how about a subdividing of "attestation" into "archaeological evidences" and "name backgrounds" or alike? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos "Personal background" does not sound good for an Ancient Egyptian official, I don't particularly dislike "name" it is just that I find it better when this information is given in the infobox. But of course you can proceed as you want anyway since the most important point is to write the articles, not so much the precise titles used for the sections. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:29, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

EEF Forum

If someone (Iryhor, etc) wants to join EEF, feel free to E-mail the moderator: A.K. Eyma here: ayma@tip.nl

• It is free and you will get the latest Egyptian discoveries by E-mail. EEFNews is sent out on Thursdays. Best Regards, --Leoboudv (talk) 05:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

• PS: Iry-hor & Nephiliskos. Ararat Arev turned up here and I had to revert that edit. --Leoboudv (talk) 03:55, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Leoboudv actually I do receive the EEF email newsletter, I subscribed about one year ago thanks to you! As for Ararat Arev, be careful he never let go unless banned or if the article is protected. If you have problems on an article being vandalized many times over, tell an admin (I am thinking Dougweller / Favonian etc.) Iry-Hor (talk) 07:43, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

• It is good to know that you are on EEF. I thought that Khruner was on it as well. As for Ararat Arev, this banned Armenian nationalist caused another edit war today sadly and was banned for 1 week. What you said about him is right. Best, --Leoboudv (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Leoboudv Well you seem better than me at spotting the news in these emails, e.g. when I had missed the news regarding Neithhotep. As for Ararat Arev, he is the worst of all vandals in that he really never abandon. He must have been banned dozens of times and always keep coming back with new IPs and won't shy from reverting someone tens of times in a row (I experienced it personally, see here). It is to the point that I am wondering what makes him spend so much effort in this systematic vandalism, he has reached a level of dedication in his attacks that rivals those of editors like us! Iry-Hor (talk) 09:24, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

• I am going to bed now as its 2:19 AM in Canada but Ararav Arev is persistent. As for the EEF News, the story about Neithhotep was in that week's issue of EEF News but you must scroll through the article links that Aayko Eyma gives slowly to see it. That was how I saw it. Goodnight, --Leoboudv (talk) 10:19, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Good night Leoboudv. Regarding A.A., having a dynamic IP address, he cannot be stopped. If someone bans his current IP, all he has to do is to restart his router. Banning all his IPs only prevent other guiltless, anonymous contributors from L.A. and surroundings (according to his IPs, he edits from here) to edit on Wikipedia. He is not an ordinary vandal but rather a zealot likely believing he has a mission to accomplish, and pursues it since 2006 (yes, he is on Wiki since before than many of us) with hundreds of sockpuppets and later simply as a hopping IP. To be honest, the fact that he continues to add his ridiculous point of view (before him, I had not idea that Armenia was a nation at all) with impunity brings disillusion, as is reverting his crap, since doing so could only lead to a block for edit warring. Khruner (talk) 10:46, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Pyramid of Khendjer

Hi, could you explain why you reverted my change to Pyramid of Khendjer? In this context, the word "weighing" seems more appropriate than "weighting". Thanks! Just a guy from the KP (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Just a guy from the KP You are completely right, my mistake, I got confused between the two uses of weighing and weighting. Apologies. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:50, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Djedkare

Hallo Iry-Hor, I accidently merged two Vessels. The one in the Louvre mentions the Sed Festival. There is another one (only a fragment) from Byblos, but this one is not in the Louvre but in the American University of Beirut Archaeological Museum. Source: Bertha Porter (†), Rosalind Moss: Topographical Bibliography of Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphic Texts, Reliefs, and Paintings. Volume VII. Nubia, the Desserts, and Outside Egypt. Griffith Institute, Ashmolean Museum, Oxford 1952, S. 390 (PDF; 21,6 MB). I fixed this error in the german version. --Einsamer Schütze (talk) 14:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Einsamer Schütze Fantastic thank you I shall update the English article as well. Iry-Hor (talk) 14:19, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Article Neithhotep

I have recently worked on this article, and on Henutsen as well, too. Hope you enjoy. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Impressive and fascinating! Have you thought about doing DYK with them? Iry-Hor (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Isn't it too late now? Even if not, i've never done a DYK...^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 21:45, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos Not if you bring it to good article status! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I have expanded Neithhotep's article anew. What do you think?^^ Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 22:36, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Nephiliskos could you put it up for peer review? This would help polish the English. We can then look for even more sources in view of a GA nomination. After all she was the first female pharaoh and as such deserves a GA article. Iry-Hor (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Iry-Hor: First: Happy Easter!^^ Second: How do I order a peer review? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! You too! For the peer review, see here and here for some advises. Iry-Hor (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Djedkare Isesi

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Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 27, 2016

Hi, I'll get to work on this one tomorrow. - Dank (push to talk) 03:19, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Dank excellent summary! It seems that you have done so much work summarizing articles that you have become impressively good at it. There should soon be another FA article in the series "pharaohs of the 5th Dynasty", Menkauhor's successor Djedkare Isesi (currently undergoing GA review). Iry-Hor (talk) 06:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It's not the most important writing skill, but I'm glad you like the results. - Dank (push to talk) 11:33, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Dank but that's the point: it takes more than writing skills to write summaries. Iry-Hor (talk) 12:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I have come around to the idea that I'm good at this, and I'm going to start posting the notes I've been taking on my work, probably at WP:TFAC. Btw, if you're interested, look at the before and after at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/April 28, 2016 ... that's one of the hardest summaries I've done so far. - Dank (push to talk) 14:41, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Dank Yes I can see why! Please let me know when you post your summary advices as they will help me write good ledes for the articles I write, the lede being, after all, just an extended summary of the article itself. Iry-Hor (talk) 15:38, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Precious again, your Menkauhor Kaiu, "absolutely all that is known of this relatively shadowy pharaoh"!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt Amazing!! Thanks, that means a lot. Iry-Hor (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...

early dynastic and late protodynastic Egypt
... you were recipient no. 1260 of Precious, a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:48, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you that's amazing, I hope to have more time for wikipedia as I long for doing edits and making articles progress on the FA road. My current circumstances unfortunately leave me with next to no free time. Iry-Hor (talk) 08:53, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I will try one FA more for this year (my last one was mentioned in the last Signpost), but a few minor things came my way. - Precious is forever, no need to "earn" it again ;) - + real life is always more important! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:47, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! Maybe you'd like to take a look at my discussion page? Someone pretending to be professor Francesco Tiradritti claims that he "never wrote anything about king Sneferka". The book "Kemet: Alle sorgenti di tempo" and Tiradritti's webpage tell different. What do you think? Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:06, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

FAC voluntary mentoring scheme

During a recent lengthy discussion on the WP:FAC talkpage, several ideas were put forward as to how this procedure could be improved, particularly in making it more user-friendly towards first-time nominees. The promotion rate for first-timers at FAC is depressingly low – around 16 percent – which is a cause for concern. To help remedy this, Mike Christie and I, with the co-operation of the FAC coordinators, have devised a voluntary mentoring scheme, in which newcomers will guided by more experienced editors through the stages of preparation and submission of their articles. The general format of the scheme is explained in more detail on Wikipedia: Mentoring for FAC, which also includes a list of editors who have indicated that they are prepared to act as mentors.

Would you be prepared to take on this role occasionally? If so, please add your name to the list. By doing so you incur no obligation; it will be entirely for you to decide how often and on which articles you want to act in this capacity. We anticipate that the scheme will have a trial run for a few months before we appraise its effectiveness. Your participation will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 18:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Brianboulton This is a very good idea and I would like to participate, unfortunately I have currently no free time for any kind of wikipedia activity, even minor editing (how I wish I had!!), due to a combination of real-life factors which likely won't change before a few years at the least. If I happen to have short bursts of free-time, I would be happy to put down my name on the list at this time. Iry-Hor (talk) 09:41, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for replying. I fully understand, and hope that in time you will be able to participate in this scheme where I'm sure your help will be most valuable. Brianboulton (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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