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I removed the redirect for IBM 897

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Stop removing large portions of contents

Please stop removing large portions of contents as you did in the Xerox Character Code Standard article. We are Wikipedia and don't depend on projects like Wiktionary. I'm not sure what you were after, but in either case, please discuss such bold intended changes before on the article talk pages and don't carry them out unless there is consensus for them. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

I see that you are also carrying out mass changes to other character set tables and the corresponding template framework. Please stop this immediately, there is no consensus for these changes. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
As most of your edits don't have an edit summary could you please explain what you were after? --Matthiaspaul (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
User:Spitzak was apparently trying to boldly redo the formatting and change the colouration to match Unicode character categories. i.e. L/P/S/M/Z/C (and had been editing the templates, reducing the number of colours etc accordingly). I couldn't come up with any point to counter this with (after all, Unicode character categories are, for all their flaws, an objective non-OR system), so I was trying to make things consistently use that scheme.
While I was editing the template framework, that was mostly with the intention of trying to tidy it up after Spitzak. While I did add the kuten stuff, that had been included in most of the tables it was applicable to for some time already, outside the template call; I thought it would be tidier to support it in the templates themselves.
As for XCCS, including a couple of kanji tables but not all of them feels slightly misleading (at best suggesting the rest of the mapping not to be known, and at worst suggesting that to be the encoding's entire kanji support), and whilst I could comparatively easily generate the full set and include them, that would increase the article length to many times what it is currently. Hence I was linking to where the full information was already available.
Whilst it didn't have a lead byte table until I recently added it, JIS X 0208 had been pointing to Wiktionary for that purpose for almost 9 months now, KS X 1001 had been doing so for no short space of time and KPS 9566 had been doing so ever since its tables were added, and you're the first person to complain, so I (I thought) reasonably assumed people were happy with that. -- HarJIT (talk) 11:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi HarJIT, thanks for your reply.
Can you point me to where Spitzak is boldly trying to redo the formatting, because Spitzak has been advised (by me) not to do it without community consensus.
While the existing tables are not perfect, I would rather add more information (codes, colors, attributes) to them whereas Spitzak apparently wants sleak small tables with only the glyphs being shown for mobile devices - which would make it impossible to derive character mapping information and exceptions from the tables and therefore would render them meaningless for "serious" work.
What exactly do you mean by "colouration to match Unicode character categories"? Given that most oode pages and character sets long pre-date the advent of Unicode, I'm not sure if applying Unicode categories to them makes sense. Our current system appears to be loosely based on ASCII character categorization, but with some extensions.
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Character set coloration

I see you are trying to avoid the "box problem" by coloring the character sets. I did look at this before. My idea was to get rid of the rather pointless coloring for character types (except for gray for unassigned) so that colors can be used for this more interesting information. What do you think of this?

My first proposal was the following, which put all the Unicode info into the tooltip and otherwise made the table more attractive IMHO:

ISO-8859-1
_0 _1 _2 _3 _4 _5 _6 _7 _8 _9 _A _B _C _D _E _F
0_ NUL SOH STX ETX EOT ENQ ACK BEL BS HT LF VT FF CR SO SI
1_ DLE DC1 DC2 DC3 DC4 NAK SYN ETB CAN EM SUB ESC FS GS RS US
2_ SP ! " # $ % & ' ( ) * + , - . /
3_ 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 : ; < = > ?
4_ @ A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O
5_ P Q R S T U V W X Y Z [ \ ] ^ _
6_ ` a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o
7_ p q r s t u v w x y z { | } ~ DEL
8_ PAD HOP BPH NBH IND NEL SSA ESA HTS HTJ VTS PLD PLU RI SS2 SS3
9_ DCS PU1 PU2 STS CCH MW SPA EPA SOS SGC SCI CSI ST OSC PM APC
A_ NBSP ¡ ¢ £ ¤ ¥ ¦ § ¨ © ª « ¬ SHY ® ¯
B_ ° ± ² ³ ´ µ · ¸ ¹ º » ¼ ½ ¾ ¿
C_ À Á Â Ã Ä Å Æ Ç È É Ê Ë Ì Í Î Ï
D_ Ð Ñ Ò Ó Ô Õ Ö × Ø Ù Ú Û Ü Ý Þ ß
E_ à á â ã ä å æ ç è é ê ë ì í î ï
F_ ð ñ ò ó ô õ ö ÷ ø ù ú û ü ý þ ÿ
  Not in first version
  Not in second version
  Another legend

This was rejected by user User:Matthiaspaul who complained that it "violated long standing consensus" though I was unable to find anybody other than him that was a member of this consensus.

Despite this, I have managed to get rid of the decimal numbers, and to change the color of letters to white, and get footnotes next to the glyphs. But I would like to continue, possibly by eliminating the colors entirely and changing all the boxes and -var to colors. What do you think?

If you don't like the idea, perhaps making the checkerboard you put in much more visible would help. Spitzak (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Also you can see in the table above that making an entry into a link interferes with the display of the tooltip, do you know if there is a way to get around this?

Thank you for your comments.
Storing information in tooltips can sometimes be problematic due to sometimes being difficult to view, at least in their entirety, with mobile devices (the main reason why https://m.xkcd.com/ exists, despite https://xkcd.com/ being otherwise fairly mobile-friendly). The inclusion of the names of the mapped character is a nice touch, although I'd be wary of simply making it akin to the Unicode block tables, since they have slightly different purposes: the Unicode codepoints in the Unicode charts are visible from their position, whereas one of the purposes of the non-Unicode tables is to visualise the Unicode mappings.
As for your changes to the table formatting a while back: on the whole, I thought they were positive, despite some inconsistencies left that I had to clean up (hence making {{chset-cell-unified}} to try to stop them getting out of sync again). The previous colour system was confusing:
  • What exactly "international" was supposed to be used for was never well documented.
  • Although what constituted "extended" punctuation was documented, it wasn't used consistently in practice.
  • Where "punctuation" ended and "graphical" began was highly subjective.
  • A few articles just went off and did their own thing, e.g. certain EBCDIC pages only colouring unchanged characters, and using white background to show changed ones.
  • Too many colours can make them hard to tell apart.
I felt using Unicode categories where possible was a genuine improvement, largely due to these complications, and due to allowing the categories to be mechanically corrected (subject, of course, to manual checking). I did spend the best part of a Saturday going through articles and updating them to the new format (especially considering that the templates had already been changed), also meaning standardising the format for those which weren't exactly following it already. Although Matthias Paul made it clear to me soon after I'd finished that he was not happy about me having done this unilaterally.
There is definitely room to make the checkerboard pattern darker; I was erring on the side of not being too dark, since I was concerned about interfering with legibility.
In any case, it's worth noting that the colour categories we are currently using are not created equal:
  • Undefined cells are not characters.
  • Graphical spacing characters (i.e. all four of letters, digits, punctuation and symbols) are simply what you see in the chart (assuming correct font support).
  • Control, format or separator characters are non-printing and shown using mnemonics, i.e. are not what you see.
  • Combining characters (in e.g. Windows-1258, VSCII, VISCII, ANSEL) are currently shown the same colour as whitespace and control characters, but have their own unique considerations, insofar as they modify other characters rather than just showing up as shown, and in some cases legacy encodings use a different ordering than Unicode (ANSEL prefixes, Unicode affixes). Although you can tell the difference in that they aren't mnemonics, so the same colourisation does work for now.
  • Lead bytes are not characters (and nor are UTF-8 and UTF-EBCDIC continuation bytes, although the UTF-8 article uses its own colour key due to its distinctive requirements, something worth bearing in mind).
  • Private use mappings for non-Unicode characters should probably be shown using images or other simulations where this is appropriate (might not be for trademark logos?). For instance, that's what I'm trying to do for KPS 9566. Although if private use mappings are widely used for those characters where that encoding is used (the ones shown there are documented by Unicode's mapping collection and indeed used e.g. by the KP series fonts from Red Star OS), they are likely to be worth showing the codepoints.
  • Private use mappings for end-user defined characters are not usually worth showing the characters for, given that they'll look different to everyone, but showing the codepoint might be useful to show in terms of seeing which EUDC representations in different encodings correspond / potentially collide. Not that we really have many of these charted (many are better documented as formulas, after all).
So there is definitely room for future improvement… (although it might upset fewer people to create a new colour template system and slowly migrate to it rather than just changing the existing one).
Although as a postscript while we're discussing this, a note on kuten codes: it's a distinctive consideration when documenting JIS X 0208, KS C 5601, GB 2312, KPS 9566 and a few others, which are actually defined on a 94-by-94 grid of characters and usually referenced by their positions on that 94-by-94 grid (for instance, elsewhere in the article, or in the kanji index), even though these are actually stored as pairs of bytes (either from 0x21 to 0x7E for 7-bit form, or from 0xA1 to 0xFE for EUC form). It also means that the grid squares for 0xA0 and 0xFF aren't strictly part of the chart (indeed, some EUC extensions such as Unified Hangul Code or GBK might use the 0xA0 trail bytes for something else, which has nothing to do with the 94-by-94 code itself). (Although some observations, such as the ISO 646 nature of row 3 of all four of the mentioned, are most easily spotted with a trail byte chart as presently used.)
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Hey, I've been noticing you doing some maintenance on {{Charmap}}. Given that GB 18030 encodes the full UCS code point range algorithmically, I would suggest making an analogue to {{UTF-8}} for the GB 18030 mappings for implementation into Charmap, like we did with UTF-8. I feel like you've probably delved too deep into trying to change things around instead of just adding on to the basic functioning of just inputting another table row into /head. Most importantly you are hardcoding into this template the GB 18030 mapping, which is useful outside this template as well. VanIsaacWScont 00:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Okay. I've now moved the GB18030 encoding stuff to {{GB18030}}, where it can be used elsewhere with much the same invocation as {{UTF-8}}. --HarJIT (talk)
Oh, that looks really good. I see that you updated the Unicode templates navbox as well. I've updated the example in template:charmap to show "IncludeGB=yes". I'm also going to put a notice at WT:WikiProject Writing systems to see whether people think it should be set to "yes" by default. VanIsaacWScont 07:25, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Ginza Rba

Thanks for adding Al-Saadi's chapter numbers to Ginza Rba. I've just added the chapters for Book 15, which don't have Al-Saadi's chapter numbers yet.

I don't have access to the Carlos Gelbert and Qais Al-Saadi translations. Do you know how I can have access? Nebulousquasar (talk) 15:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

For Al-Saadi, I had to import the physical book from Germany over Amazon. I don't have Gelbert's, so I couldn't comment. -- HarJIT (talk) 09:19, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@Nebulousquasar: The parts of the Right Ginza that don't seem (from what I can tell) to correspond to Lidzbarski's chapter numbering are Al-Saadi's 18.1 and 19. Collectively, they're only three pages (sides) out of the entire book, so I thought I may as well take photos (18.1 and 19; not putting them on Commons though for obvious reasons).
I haven't looked into the Left Ginza yet, although I do note that Al-Saadi writes in the translation preface
so there are probably some differences in chapter/hymn numbering and inclusion there also. --HarJIT (talk) 15:57, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks HarJIT, this is very helpful. I have ordered physical copies of both the Drabsha (Al-Saadi) and Living Water (Gelbert) versions and am waiting for them to arrive. Both are copyrighted, so I think it would be a good idea for us Wikimedians to publish our own new open-source English translation of Lidzbarski's Ginza Rba on Wikisource. We could try starting wikisource:Translation:Ginza Rba. wikisource:Translation:Book of John the Baptist, a translation of Book 7 of the Right Ginza, already exists. Since Mark Lidzbarski's translation was published in 1925 and it has been 93 years since his death in 1928, it is public domain and can be fully digitized at wikisource:de:Ginza Rba.
This is of course a monumental task, and I only have time to do little bits and pieces. Nebulousquasar (talk) 16:52, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@Nebulousquasar: Some updates: I've copied the scan of Lidzbarski's translation to Commons and had created a transcription index for it, but was subsequently informed that German Wikisource apparently has rules which must be met before a large transcription project may be undertaken. Hmm… --HarJIT (talk) 15:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
That's a lot of rules! I think we may be better off starting off with an English translation for the English Wikisource, which does not have quite as many rules. Nebulousquasar (talk) 22:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Carlos Gelbert's version is an English translation of Lidzbarski (1925). Consulting this could be helpful, although we must make sure to not directly copy anything off this copyrighted translation. Nebulousquasar (talk) 22:08, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

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Out of curiosity, what template is this (I'm assuming it's a subst:'d template, since it certainly reads like one, apologies if I'm wrong)?
I suppose this is where my occupation (both recreationally and professionally) in computer programming / software development shows through. You might notice that when I do fill in an edit summary, it's most often to give insight not trivially discernable from the diff itself—especially if, as you say, it is potentially controversial (or would otherwise constitute WP:UCR)—reflecting the programming practice that source code comments should not laboriously restate anything that is obvious from reading the source code itself, but should be used for insight that isn't otherwise obvious.
I presume this is in response to my cleaning up of the Blåhaj chronology, which can be viewed as a single combined diff using the radio-button feature, at least on the desktop site (or alternatively, an overall diff to the current revision could be viewed with a "cur" link). For the most part, the individual edits struck me as fairly self-explanatory, as does the overall diff.
For pages I'm watching, I tend to unconditionally check the overall diffs when they change, since edit summaries can be unreliable (from vandals or test edits) or inspecific (otherwise) and, furthermore, generally don't reveal mistakes that an editor might have made without realising. Would you be able to elaborate on how more edit summaries would have reduced time "unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying" by others? --HarJIT (talk) 11:20, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
It makes it easier to look at the edit history and see at a glance what you did, without needing to parse out the differences ourselves (which can sometimes be confusingly rendered in the diff viewer). As for the template, I don't remember the exact name, I placed it with Twinkle so I didn't really think about it too much. It's ultimately not a big deal that you didn't summarize it since the edits were clearly constructive, it just makes things a tiny bit more convenient for some others and that can go a long way. Ultimately though this isn't something I'd think is worth arguing over or insisting on, in this case, especially if I seem to be the only one who's at all taken any issue. I greatly appreciate your help cleaning up the page regardless. Joyce-stick (talk) 11:44, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Etymology of ANSI escape sequence type designators?

Hi, I think it was you who originally added information on ANSI escape sequence categorisation to the ANSI escape code article. You noted that applicable standards distinguish types Fe, Fs, Fp and nF.

What I can't seem to figure out is if there is any information anywhere on exactly what those designators stand for? The standards documents don't seem to clearly define that. Is the F always for Final? If yes, then I might guess that perhaps Fp is for Final, private-use, and nF for numbered Final, but I can't seem to find any source that actually says that, and I'm really not sure what Fe and Fs actually stand for.

Do you know, or do you know where one might be able to find out?

(Also, do you think it would be better to have this conversation on Talk:ANSI escape code? Feel free to copy/move this there if you do.) —ReadOnlyAccount (talk) 03:52, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

The standard in question is ECMA-35 (ISO 2022), since it defines the general format for escape sequences in general (while ECMA-48 just defines a C1 control (and thus Fe) escape sequence) set, and a few Fs escape sequences). The relevant chapter of ECMA-35 is chapter 13.2.
Yes, F would appear to be for "final" (nF has the "type indicator" before the "Final Byte"; the others have the final byte as their type indicator). Fs is defined as "Standardized single control function" so the s probably stands for "single". How the abbreviation …Ft (as a nF subtype) represents "Standardised purposes" or the abbreviation Fe represents "Control function in the C1 set" isn't made clear. The n in nF does stand in for a number, basically as a placeholder to refer to 0F, 3F etc escape sequences as a collective, i.e. those that have a type indicator besides the final byte:
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Thanks for replying. If I understand correctly, then the best we can establish is the following:
  • Fe is for Final "e", but it's unknown what the e represents,
  • Fs is for Final, single (probably), ✓
  • Fp is for Final, private-use (probably), ✓
  • nF is for [numbered] Final, and ✓
  • Ft has an unknown etymology.
I find that lack of a information what these codes actually stand for quite frustrating, and I think that impedes understanding. Also, none of the above is really spelled-out well enough for cited inclusion in the article. Worse, this is an old standard, and it looks like the meaning of all of this has never really been made clear. Perhaps the Byzantine nature of the scheme and nomenclature played a role it its adoption and success ultimately having been quite limited. I only ended up at ISO 2022 because I wanted to find out more about where GB 18030 came from – speaking of which, if you know anything about the latter, please let me know.
As for this present somewhat annoyingly unresolved mystery, do you think the Helpdesk@ email address mentioned on the cover page of your above ECMA-35 PDF still works? I'm not sure if this is worth asking people about, and I'm even less confident about the odds of our receiving a meaningful answer. –ReadOnlyAccount (talk) 05:55, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Keycap sequences in Unicode

Yes, that was better. I see that the same Unicode Consortium document has similar sequences for asterisk and 0 – 9. Perhaps you might add those to their respective articles? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 11:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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