This is an archive of past discussions with User:Ambuj.Saxena. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.
Hello, Ambuj Saxena, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
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Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Userbox and find the categories that apply to you. The usual form of a userbox is two curly brackets followed by a code like SAR, followed by two closing brackets. Some are kind of silly though and you may want to read the page and talk page because some are being considered for deletion. Hope this helps! Arundhati Bakshi (talk) 13:04, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Sure, I think it is fine to make this article. I would propose to create just one article for IIT Slang (all IITs together.) Most slang words are common among IITs (telling from personal experience), and for slangs specific to IITs we can have subsections. Go ahead, and I might add a few phrases sometime! deeptrivia (talk) 02:53, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
PS: If you create a common article, we can say this slang is used by over 30,000 people, and is notable. I don't know what the reaction would be otherwise. deeptrivia (talk) 21:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
Try looking at this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page -- and in particular how to create a table. You use Wiki markup instead of regular HTML -- I have used it to create a table for my userboxes with braces and pipes (|) . . . this might be of use to you in creating a three column table to make your TOC more compact. If you need help designing it let me know, but you can just copy the table from my user page and change the userboxes to links in your article. You may also want to consider an alphabetical or topical index instead of indexing every word in the TOC. You can test your code out in your Sandbox. Arundhati_bakshi 13:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I wasn't able to get the list working myself so asked for help from a more experienced user, Gflores -- he gave an example here, so we can work on that together if you like. On a more urgent note, UtherSRG has recommended that the article be deleted. To defend your article, you can go here and try to defend it. Arundhati_bakshi 20:57, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I have finally got the list working if you need to look at the code for future reference: User:Arundhati_bakshi/Sandbox -- don't be disappointed by the decision to delete your work. I have had my stuff deleted as well. It's usually a holy war bewteen inclusionsists and deletionists if it isn't related to copyright.
I will try to read up a bit more on how to interlink the various entries. I have only been here about half a year myself, so if you need help from a more experienced use, add the "helpme" tag at the top of your personal page . . . just enclose it in double curly brackets.
As for the deletion of the article, I hate to see all of that work go to waste, since it may be of use to some people (the jargon file seems similar, although older). The list in lengthy so although I would support a merge, I am not sure the deletionists would be likely to accept it, especially if it is something outside the range of their knowlege, which they usually consider to be irrelevant to everyone else.
Above all, don't let this scare you away. A number of my pages have been deleted before, one about a second after I had finished editing it! So just stick around and keep contributing. Above all, I wanted you to be given the right of defending your work, or allowing other to politely to tell you why what you added was not acceptable, rather than logging in one day and finding that it was just gone.
At Esperanza, we try to be more kindly and take a politer approach, especially with newcomers. not everyone feels this way however. Some of the genral pages that I follow when editing or creating articles are these guidelines:
In other words, if in doubt, edit. If someone objects, you can have a discussion, which you will lose (since it will usually be an admin) and then you can move your data to your own space. To create a page in your own subspace just add domething like this:
Click on the "preferences" link at the top of the webpage and use the "Nickname" box. You can customize your signature as you like. If you want to include HTML that links to a different area or to use the FONT tag, click the "Raw" box so it will show up exactly as you specify as opposed to the default sig linking back to your userpage and talk page. Let me know if you need more info. Arundhati bakshi14:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
You can create a redirect page by starting the page with #REDIRECT [[pagename]] as contents.
I was wondering myself about anything special happening when the number of articles approach 1 million. No idea.
You can write a script that will count the number of edits with a particular summary (I'm not very good at it. But for that, all your welcomes should have the same edit summary (sth like "welcome" or whatever you choose.
Hello, Ambuj.saxena. With regard to your comment on my talk page,
Hi, this is with regards to your suggested deletion of Old MBM Hostel because of non-notability. Unfortunately your viewpoint is unfounded as Old MBM Hostel is a hostel in Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur. To have a look at the sample page that this article can be transformed into, you can have a look at my hostel's page, i.e. Rajendra Prasad Hall. Unfortunately I don't know anything special about the Hostel in concern so I can't edit it to some useful content. Neither do I know someone from that hostel as it houses management students, while I am an engineering student. So while the issue of notability isn't existant, I can assure you that there aren't people in that hostel motivated enough currently to edit the Wikipedia page. So it will remain in this state for some more time to come. And for God's sake, when you suggest an article for deletion, put it up for debate in AFD, not just put a tag. Otherwise how will it be debated.
I respond as follows:
Procedurally, please refer to WP:PROD. The PROD tag is for uncontested deletions, so no discussion is supposed to take place. If you disagree with the deletion (as you apparently do), all you need to do is to remove the tag, as explained in the tag's box.
In substance, it is not disputed that this student hall exists, but you do not put forth any argument why it is inclusion-worthy under WP:Notability (please see also WP:VAIN and in particular WP:BAI). Indeed, it seems to me that any student hall, including Rajendra Prasad Hall, is not notable unless there is something that distinguishes it from the many other student halls in the world, e.g. a notable alumnus, a special cultural significance, etc. For these reasons, I intend to nominate all such halls, e.g. Rajendra Prasad Hall, Old MBM HostelHomi Jahangir Bhabha Hall, J C Bose Hall etc. for deletion on AfD, unless notability is established. Maybe it would be better to give all these halls a brief mention in the article on the university to which they belong. Best regards, Sandstein21:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
With reference to Sandstein's comments above, I would first like to clarify that even I am against vanity articles. For example, yesterday itself I [deleted vanity information] from My Hostel's Page. There's also some of vanity information in IIT Kharagpur's Wikipedia Page and my school's page that I wanted to delete, but currently I am in the process of convincing others that this is the right way to do.
Now coming back to why I felt that WP:Notability is not a criteria to be applied here. IIT's are very famous institutions with a lot of notable alumni. Logically they would be from almost all the Halls concerned. So if the information about the notable alumnus and corresponding social life of students is added, the article can be considered as Notable. So until this point my view was: Weak Keep. However, after reading deeptrivia's observations, and going through List of MIT dormitories and List of Harvard dormitories, I feel that the same rule can be applied here also. So now, my viewpoint is: Strong Merge with List of IIT Kharagpur Halls. Dormitories in IIT Kharagpur are historically called Halls and I would prefer things remaining that way. Furthermore, this articles can have sub-sections where each Hall can be described in jist with a list of notable alumni. If agreed upon, I volunteer to do this merging myself. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 07:12, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I have no objection to what you propose, if there is enough information to make List of IIT Kharagpur Halls notable (and it is not immediately apparent why information on the social life of students would be notable, unless it is notably different from that of students the world over). In that case, it would probably be appropriate to redirect all halls listed under Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur thence (see also talk page. Sandstein07:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Further of observations made by Sandstein, I propose to go even further that I believe should be acceptable to all. Here's what I propose:
Create a new article titled Student Life in IIT Kharagpur (and put a link to it from IIT's Main Page in See Also Section) which will include the following things:
The article on Chhedis from IIT Kharagpur. I really feel that this article doesn't deserve a place in IIT Kharagpur's Main Page, but people are very emotionally involved with this issue and get offended when I propose its deletion.
Summary on each of of the Hostel's life and notable alumnus (a separate section with names, links to thier wiki pages and halls indicated), and deleting the section Halls of residence
The article Annual events (move from main page as specifically related to student life).
The article General Championships (move from main page as specifically related to student life).
I further plan to expand the article on student life with specific culturally significant information (probably not common elsewhere) which should make it notable.
Hi. Saw all the hard work that you have done on ON@CC. Thanks! I was planning to expand the stub myself some day, but seems that you did all the hard work by yourself! - Aksi great14:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
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Just ignore this, becacuse it doesn't apply to someone posting his own details on his userpage. Let's assume that the editor who posted this did it out of ignorance and let him go. He's been blocked a few times, so people are indeed watching his actions. There are, however, some benefits of not disclosing many personal details, but it's your own choice. deeptrivia (talk) 15:43, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply and offer of support and assistance - I shall surely seek them from time to time. I also use google a lot. And, each one has potential to become an adminstrator here, and you also try to be one - I am sure shall you shall become a great administrator. --Bhadani16:47, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Thankyou so much for your help in translating the introduction of this article:hi:सत्य ईसा मसीह गिरजाघर. If you ever want any articles to be translated from English into Chinese wikipedia - I can help you. --Jose77 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Redlinks
Hello. When writing an article it's a good idea to use links whenever appropriate to add detail and information for a reader. It's not a good idea to link to articles that do not exist as it frustrates readers, especially new ones. When editing it's better to either change redlinks to articles that exist or write your own - but I do simply remove redlinks from time to time when I don't think anyone is going to write an article about the topic. Ifnord14:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I have reread my original statement, I think it's quite clear. I do not think redlinks should removed completely (as you reported to Bhadani) but only when they are likely to remain "broken" forever. Ifnord18:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi!I think the best category is University and college dormitories.In any case,the article does not seem to fit in the category of Cultural festivals.Please ask some more experienced Wikipedians also.Bye.--Dwaipayanc18:12, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Page moving
Hi, looks like you're doing a good job writing articles, however you might want to read meta:Help:Moving a page which explains some of the wonders of page-moving. You don't want to just copy the article from the previous location, as that removes the page history. Not to hard to fix, at any rate, just needs an admin to do it. Shout if you need any help with stuff, --zippedmartin17:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for helping with the Move function of the wikipedia. I noticed that the histories have now been merged. I will remember to use this in future. Thanks again. -Ambuj Saxena (talk) 17:43, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Not a problem. Keep up the good work on writing articles, learning the ins and outs of wikipedia is less important than adding good content. --zippedmartin17:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if you had intended to create the category, I assumed a mistake had been made. Next time, maybe leave a message on the talk page or even better, slap an inuse template on the page . . . that usually tells others that you are in the process of making the article and out of politeness others will not edit your changes until the tag is removed. It doesn't lock the article down, but tells repectful users that you are busy with major revisions and that they should out of respect not later the page till you are done. My apologies for the interference. (Arundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs)) 20:23, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
I reverted the changes that I made and I see that the category had now been created. My apologies for usurping an article that you were working on. Take care. (Arundhati Bakshi (talk • contribs)) 20:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Bollywood linkspam
Your reverts would not be considered an edit war, as linkspam is regarded as a type of vandalism. Also, it is from a dynamic IP, so we cannot be sure that adding {{spam}} to the respective talkpages of the anon would be of any use, but we could try. --Gurubrahma07:09, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Transwiki
Thanks for your message and interest in different aspects of wikipedia. I shall do the needful if required, and come back to you. OK. --Bhadani12:31, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am wishing you a happy Holi, the unique Indian celebration of color and brotherhood among all members of the humanity. The festival falls on 15th March2006. I have collected A Gift Pack of Quotationsfor you contained in the sections DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY and SOMETHING MORE, which are part of the on-going discussion pertaining to my nomination of Idleguy for adminship. You are aware of the tradition that if you throw colored water on flames of burning Holika, you enable a Prahlad to emerge from the flames!!! I again convey Holi greetings to you and your family!!! --Bhadani14:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to WP:Novel
Just as above, welcome!!! There are plenty of things to do in this project, and any help you provide will be appreciated. For ideas on where to start click here. Best of luck and thanks for joining!!!
Eagle (talk) (desk) 06:49, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I thought that would be one that could be expanded into a more comprehensive article about the various teams, though I think putting it as a subpage of the Seattle University might be a better idea. We do pay attention to the NCAA, its on tier1 television so teams competing in it could be aruged notable under that context. I'll run it by a few other people and base a decision on that.
Thanks
Thanks for your kind words and support during my gloomiest wiki-mood. My current Status is: Highly active Wikipedian as Wikipedia is a part of my life!!! Perhaps, I may be disappointing few by being so hyperactive, but I cannot loose so many friends by remaining not so active. I love you Wikipedia as I love her!!! --Bhadani09:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. You seem to know more about the mechanics of an encyclopaedia than I do. However (just so that you know), there were at least two reasons I created the stub under that moniker:
Jon DeRosa was known well before Aarktica was formed. In fact the Pale Horse and Rider act may very well have been his claim to fame.
There is additional information about the subject that might be considered irrelevant to Aarktica. For instance, I recently discovered that he has an interesting connection to someone known as Pandit Pran Nath.
There are probably other reasons, but I hope that it adequately explains the reason for the stub. At any rate, I would appreciate it if you discussed such a move with me before taking the action in the future.
From what I gather, rollbacks can deplete a user's level of credibility with admins; considering that a rollback is the only way I know of repealing this action, I fail to see why I should be the one at the chopping block.
Greetings Ambuj.saxena!, Would you be willing to do one last favour for me by translating the "ten main beliefs" of this article hi:सत्य ईसा मसीह गिरजाघर into Hindi? (It was obviously "cut and pasted" from en:True Jesus Church and several hindi words were extracted from this dictionary).
Your help would be gratefully appreciated. शुक्रिया. -- Regards, Jose77 6 March 2006.
Reply:Greetings Ambuj.saxena! I understand your situation. I had made a similar request to this Thai article and the Thai wikipedian who helped me translate the article was actually a Buddhist. In fact, he was able to help me translate the last five beliefs of the church.
Can you at least help me translate the 10 "Subtitles" of the article into Hindi?
And could you also help me translate just the last five beliefs of the church? Please. (I have full confidence in your translation ability) -- Regards, Jose77 6 March 2006.
I sincerely give my apologizes if I have offended you. I have already removed the Hindi words and replaced it with English ones. It does not matter to me if you're not Christian. I believe that Non-christians can do the translating equally as well. -- Jose77 6 March 2006.
Thanks Cygnus Hansa for your translation! 謝謝您的幫忙, 辛苦你! -- Jose77, 7 March 2006
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Actually, your doubts are genuine. I also do not know answers to all the points raised by you. I shall seek help of Nichalp to clear my and your doubts. By the way, Sysops and administrators are same. --Bhadani09:51, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
In fact, in wikipedia, all registered name begins with a Capital, and the software automatically does this - so there is no way, as of now, to get your user name changed to ambuj.saxena. I am referring the points raised by you to Nichalp and Gurubrahma. --Bhadani10:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for the quick reply. Yeah, after I was looking up the other Alphas and thinking about it, I realized that was probably what you did. Indeed, the Alpha does relate only to machine agents, and there is no reference anywhere I know of where it's used in relation to people or anything that doesn't have to do with machine learning specifically. I have personally started using it in my own speech to refer to how people react to new information, but I think that's just me and probably doesn't qualify as something to be reflected in Wikipedia.
Yishan05:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Re: Problem Uploading Audio File
If your IP was blocked, you wouldn't be able to contact me through Talk: :) . No, your IP would not be blocked through repeated requests. I would say that it would be a problem with the servers, so wait for 1 or two days and try again. =Nichalp«Talk»=08:40, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
All this is real; thats what the students' talk is going on in IIT Bombay. The language of the POV may be changed to be more apropriate. And you must know that govt recommendations have no effect on the IITs. The IITs must implement all quotas/potas from their own--they have this autonomy.Cygnus_hansa07:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
I understand the wiki guidelines, but I feel strongly about it. The language can definitely be eased up to make it in a presentable, NOPV format.Cygnus_hansa13:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
IITs
Hey Ambuj. Sorry I missed your message earlier. Looks like you've done an awesome job! I'll go through it in greater detail. Yeah, surprising, but I never noticed that IITD doesn't have a motto. Keep up the good work! deeptrivia (talk) 17:39, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
Your message: Hi Bhadani, A request has been made for Indian Institutes of Technology to be peer-reviewed so that it can achieve a Featured Article status. I have been working on it for the last one week and feel that it is satisfactorily good to start the peer-review process. Please care to have a look at it and give your precious comments.
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