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Deadpool and Wolverine

Deadpool and Wolverine exists now 216.73.73.66 (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That film is not part of this X-Men film series and is a part of the MCU. Shawn Levy has also said this isn't technically Deadpool 3. Trailblazer101 (talk) 16:02, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deadpool & Wolverine is labeled as a sequel to Deadpool 2 though. One could argue that the film is a crossover between the X-Men film series and the MCU. As it primarily acts as a direct continuation of Deadpool's story (and now maybe Laura's story) from the X-Men film series. --71.188.103.15 (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carrying over characters from the X-Men film series into a primarily MCU-set and developed film does not mean it is also part of the X-Men film series, as this is taken from a real-world perspective. Deadpool & Wolverine was developed as an MCU film, and is not said to be a "crossover" with the X-Men films, just repurposing some of those characters. We also do not say Spider-Man: No Way Home is a crossover with the prior Spidey films. Trailblazer101 (talk) 01:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Both Spider-Man: No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine are listed as superhero crossovers on this site though. Both their premises fit perfectly with the definition of a crossover, as they are the placement of discrete fictional characters/settings into the context of a single story. This is the first time I'm seeing someone say that No Way Home wasn't a crossover between the three Spidey series. --71.188.103.15 (talk) 02:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just because these are something by definition does not mean it has to be directly stated, especially in the lead of the article. This is simply WP:UNDUEWEIGHT and not the main aspect of this film specifically, as it is a crossover between multiple other franchises, as well. No Way Home is a crossover with the others by definition, but that doesn't mean we ought to state that in the lead there either. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:56, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It clearly IS just Deadpool 3. It even doesn't take pleace in the MCU timeline at all and in the end Deadpool and the rest are back in the Fox universe. And there is also some meta-commentary stated that this universe is safed from being cancelled by Disney. I think that technically it's part of both franchises but to be honest, it feels more like Fox Series crossing over with MCU, not the other way. 94.254.144.196 (talk) 10:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How long did it take 92.184.118.35 (talk) 14:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Logan takes place in 2029, but the follow-up Deadpool & Wolverine takes place in 2024; so, it isn't exactly the same timeline. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say, D&W is absolutely both a continuation of the Fox X-Men franchise and a bridge film into the MCU. I think it fits here. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 12:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the film series produced by 20th Century Fox, which doesn't exist anymore and hasn't produced Deadpool & Wolverine. The film is already mention in the Marvel Cinematic Universe section. That mention should likely be expanded, as it is fairly relevant to this article, but that film still can't be included in the same fashion as the films that are actually part of the series, as this one is part of a different franchise and produced by a different studio. —El Millo (talk) 18:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There have been precedents of franchises with individual entries produced by different companies, i.e. Terminator.

Even the MCU was under Paramount before Avengers.

I think this page should be reworked into "X-Men on film" and include D&W and future Disney entries.

Actually, D&W should also be included in pages of Blade, Daredevil and Fantastic Four on film, since it features cameos of some of those characters. 2A02:8071:5220:6C20:154E:BAAF:15FC:CF56 (talk) 21:26, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are great points; an affiliation with a specific studio isn't part of the stated premise of this article. It's more about continuity. The story, characters, and actors clearly carry over from previous X-Men films into D&W. X-Men in film would be appropriate. Swordofneutrality (talk) 09:19, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Except this is not just a general article of the X-Men appearing in all films. This article is specifically about the X-Men franchise made by 20th Century. Deadpool & Wolverine is not included in that because it is explicitly confirmed to be in the MCU, not this franchise. We are not going to revamp the scope of this article just to include one film. There is a reason X-Men in other media exists, to cover the adaptations of the X-Men overall. Trailblazer101 (talk) 15:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, Superman and Batman can have an "in film" page even though they already have an "in other media" page, but X-Men can't?

And D&W actually continuous the story from Deadpool 2, so how can one even understand this movie if, according to this website, D&W is simply another entry in the MCU, but not of Fox's series? 84.118.16.15 (talk) 23:54, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Needs some re-evaluation

I'm not entirely familiar with this series, but on trying to read it, I'm not sure what makes Deadpool as part of the series for example (I have no idea if it is or not, but nothing in the article tells me why it is considered part of it.) It's been a long time since this article passed as a GA here when there was only three X-Men films (simpler times!) but since then, a copious amount of information has been added that does not really clarify specific details about terms that have been tagged for a few months. For example, if a film takes place in the same universe as another, is it still in a series? Other content seems to have sources that fail some standards (like the soundtrack section). I've tagged some material, and could probably find sources for basic things like cast, etc. but the more in-universe stuff is a bit out of my ballpark as I haven't seen any of these films since the third one. :) Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deadpool is a spin-off of X-Men movies. 94.254.159.31 (talk) 14:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Dark Phoenix (film) § Requested move 12 August 2024

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Dark Phoenix (film) § Requested move 12 August 2024. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:41, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deadpool & Wolverine is conclusion of the series?

The article says that Deadpool & Wolverine acted as the retroactive conclusion of the series. But what's the source of this claim? Because Kevin Feige recently stated that Marvel wants to use Deadpool and Wolverine as much as possible.

"The plans with Deadpool and Wolverine will always be the same: we're always wondering where we can fit them in, and how fast,"

https://www.omelete.com.br/marvel-cinema/kevin-feige-entrevista-d23-wolverine

And according to Daniel Richtman. Marvel wants a sequel to Deadpool & Wolverine after Secret Wars. So unless there is a source claiming that the film is a conclusion to the series, I don't think the article should be making that claim. 71.188.103.15 (talk) 04:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure how reliable Omelete's interpretation of this is, because that film is officially an MCU film and not part of the Fox X-Men film series, and definitely not its conclusion. Also, Richtman is not a reliable source, and there have been no official movement on a sequel to that film. I and others have attempted to remove instances of this film being labeled as part of this series but others persistently readd it without evidence. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:59, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's a direct quote from Kevin Feige. Not an interpretation by Omelete. So yeah, apparently Marvel wants to use the characters more. That shouldn't be surprising since Patrick Stewart teased at more Fox X-Men last year, The Marvels mid-credit scene teased at more Fox X-Men, and Deadpool & Wolverine made over a billion dollars at the Box Office. I'm not saying that Richtman's word is confirmation, but he has been right about a lot things in the past and what he says has a lot of support behind it. I just don't think we should be calling this a conclusion as the evidence so far suggests the contrary.

Also, X-Men '97 is considered to be a continuation of Fox's animated X-Men series; it is just under Marvel Studios now. So why shouldn't Deadpool & Wolverine be considered to be a continuation of Fox's live-action X-Men series under Marvel Studios? I seriously don't see the difference. 71.188.103.15 (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marvel Studios has been incorporating characters from Fox's X-Men films into the MCU, yes, but we cannot use that to say Deadpool & Wolverine concludes Fox's X-Men film series as that would be WP:SYNTHESIS and WP:OR. Feige has not said that. Richtman's comments are irrelevant and should be taken as truth here. Of course Marvel wants to use more of these characters again, but that does not confirm anything is happening or what you are saying it does here. Deadpool & Wolverine is an MCU film that carries over parts of the Fox films, but it is not confirmed to conclude that film series. You would need a much better source to say that. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]