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First non-MCU project

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I am confused there. It says X-Men 97 is Studios' first non-MCU project since their formation but what about MODOK or Hit-Monkey. They definitely are not part of MCU Seaweed Brain1993 (talk) 03:22, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

They only oversaw their development but weren't directky involved. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
MODOK and Hit-Monkey were made by Marvel Television which is a totally different production company from Marvel Studios. So X-Men '98 is in fact Marvel Studios' first non-MCU series. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.76.151.33 (talk) 16:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the old Marvel TV was absorbed into Marvel Studios, so oversight of both series were transferred to Marvel Studios. However, as they were both released under the Marvel TV brand, I would still consider this the first non-MCU series from Marvel Studios. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Marvel source says it's MCU [1]. Mike210381 (talk) 20:32, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You keep on citing that article, but it never explicitly states that the show in set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@InfiniteNexus: If: As always, the Marvel Cinematic Universe continues to expand, with a whopping 12 titles coming out of Disney+ Day 2021 — a mix of titles previously announced, ones with new looks and logos, and a few complete surprises! is not explicitly, then I think that you should learn to read. Sorry, but that sentence is enough clear. Mike210381 (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
First off, no personal attacks. Secondly, that quote does not specifically refer to this specific show. "Explicit" would be something like the article on Spider-Man: Freshman Year, which states: The animated series follows Peter Parker on his way to becoming Spider-Man in the MCU. I have also added in this source into the article, which doubts it is set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not personal attack it's fact. You don't read what's clearly written. I've put another Marvel source here, but it seems that you haven't read it at all. So once again: Disney+ Day 2021 is here, and it’s kicking into high gear with brand new announcements coming out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe with what’s to come from the streaming service. During Marvel Studios' 2021 Disney+ Day Special — which is currently streaming exclusively on Disney+ — it was announced that X-MEN ‘97 will arrive in 2023. from Disney+ Day 2021: ‘X-MEN ‘97’ Animated Series Announced. It is specifically refer to this specific show! I don't care about secondary sources in that case, when Marvel clearly states it is in the MCU. Mike210381 (talk) 23:28, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to add/clarify that, as of today, the series has been added to the Phase 5/Multiverse Saga on Disney+, officially establishing it as a part of the MCU. That also retroactively does the same with the original series, too. 2603:9000:CC0B:A88C:E549:B477:8F6A:4637 (talk) 17:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did read that article, perhaps I shall break down what it says. Sentence 1: Disney+ Day brought a ton of MCU announcements. Sentence 2: X-Men '97 was announced by Marvel Studios. In no way are those two sentences connected (and the first sentence is actually copy-and-pasted from the other Marvel.com articles), and in no way does the second sentence say X-Men '97 is set in the MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm to tired to discuss with the smartest person ever. You clearly think that you know everything the best. That source is direct confirmation that it is part od MCU. They just could write that Disney+ Day brought a ton of Marvel announcements, but they used MCU insted. It's not our job to search for intentions. Two news on Marvel official web site states the same very clearly. Mike210381 (talk) 00:18, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Here is the press release info, in its barest bones, not with Marvel.com's "cut and paste" header/footer material it had on all its Disney+ Day articles: X-MEN ’97: an animated series that explores new stories in the iconic ’90s timeline of the original series. Beau DeMayo is executive producer and head writer. No indication there its MCU, but rather explicitly that its a continuation of the 90s series, which is also not in the MCU. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:04, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Favre1fan93: Does that press release states clearly that it's not in the MCU? No. Does it anywhere written that Marvel Zombies is part of MCU? You choose what what's copy pasted or not from Marvel web site. When Wakanda series whas annouced, information about Phase 4 was copy pasted as well. As always, the Marvel Cinematic Universe continues to expand, with a whopping 12 titles coming out of Disney+ Day 2021 it's not copy paste. Those 12 titles include X-Men '97. Being continuantion of animated series and within MCU don't have to exclude both of it. When we get direct confirmation that is different then we can exclude them, but for now from Marvel sources we have direct confirmation that it is part of MCU. Mike210381 (talk) 09:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aside from the talk about whether this is MCU or not (Although I believe based on the announcements it is), why does the article explicitly say it's not? If we don't believe there is enough proof that there is, that's fine, but as far as I know we haven't seen _any_ proof that it isn't. This should be stricken from the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:d237:3900:41a1:8ca1:5e4a:e35 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 22 December, 2021 (UTC)

It is stated to be in the same timeline of the original series, which isn't part of the MCU. Thus, X-Men '97 isn't MCU. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:30, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neither were Tobey Maguire or Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man movies, but they have brought in through through No Way Home. It's not unreasonable to believe that X-Men '97, being a Marvel Studios production, _may_ be MCU, and therefore bring the rest of the series into the MCU. Until it is stated one way or another I claim it's *factually incorrect* to say that it definitively isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7f:d237:3900:607e:bd40:44de:2d29 (talk) 15:02, 22 December, 2021 (UTC)

Well, here i found the closest thing to an answer: The creator said that will be clear once the series comes out. BestDaysofMusic (talk) 17:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion in the Disney+ Multiverse Saga row

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I don't know if anyone noticed, but X-Men'97 is now part of MCU Multiverse Saga on D+. Mike210381 (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that plus the evidence we already have in the article for this being part of the MCU's version of the multiverse suggests that we may need to update the wording in the lead at some point. Others may want further evidence though, especially because it is hard to say the placement on the Disney+ timeline is correct given the series is set in 1997, not the 2020s. If there is support for making this change then really this should not be treated any differently from the other multiverse shows like What If...? and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adamstom.97 but it's not on the timeline. Mike210381 (talk) 21:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see it isn't at the moment, I'm pretty sure it was when I checked yesterday. Maybe I'm mistaken, but it could have been incorrectly added and then removed. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The series is still listed as part of the Multiverse Saga (source to support) so I think we should probably be mentioning that in the article. This does raise some interesting questions about how to handle the series at other MCU articles, because it technically should be included at the Phase Five article and List of MCU TV shows just like What If...? Are there any concerns before we start making those changes? - adamstom97 (talk) 10:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the expansion of Marvel Studios' animated series to include several multiverse projects, I don't think it is too far off for the likes of X-Men '97 and the rest of the Marvel Animated Multiverse to be part of the MCU multiverse. I also think that series being included in that on Disney+ is intentional given Winderbaum's comments that is an official means they use to establish the timeline. It is definitely something to keep track of and to mention in the relevant articles where applicable. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's important to keep a distinction between real world vs. in-universe. Perhaps it's part of the fictional MCU multiverse (presumably, to set up future crossovers in a certain film), but it's not part of the MCU franchise. This feels no different than Deadpool being in the MCU (perhaps the Fox universe is part of the MCU multiverse in the story, as the trailers and set photos suggest, but the Fox films are not part of the MCU franchise) or Ezra Miller appearing in the Arrowverse (perhaps the DCEU universe is one of the alternate Earths in the Arrowverse, but the DCEU and the Arrowverse are separate franchises). InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we are talking about real world vs. in-universe, I think it would be more accurate to say this series is not part of the in-universe MCU since it is set in an alternate universe, but it is potentially part of the real world MCU franchise. That is the case with What If...? - adamstom97 (talk) 19:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not the main universe of the MCU (as in Earth-616), but in the MCU multiverse (Marvel Cinematic Multiverse?). I don't think we can call it part of the real-world MCU franchise though; What If...? is explicitly centered on MCU characters and storylines, and apparently so will Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man. X-Men '97 has virtually no ties to the MCU. It just so happened that Kevin Feige was a huge fan of the original show and had Marvel Studios produce this. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other animated series aren't part of the MCU franchise because they have in-universe ties to the actual MCU, they are part of the franchise because Marvel Studios includes them in the Phases and Multiverse Saga. That is now the same for X-Men '97. The fact that it is set in a completely different universe and so far has no ties to the Sacred Timeline is an in-universe difference, but that does not override the real-world production connections (being produced by Marvel Studios and included in the MCU on Disney+). - adamstom97 (talk) 08:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that this source definitely says that, at least for now, X-Men 97' is not a part of MCU (Loki) Multiverse. IKhitron (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That source is from before X-Men '97 was added to the Multiverse Sage on Disney+, and all it says is that the Watcher's cameo is not necessarily the same Watcher from What If...?
I have found this Screen Rant article which lists all of the Phase Five TV series from 2024 onwards except for Eyes of Wakanda, and it includes X-Men '97 so we could use that to support the series being released as part of Phase Five. This Direct article also lists X-Men '97 as being part of Phase Five, though it is out of date and not the best source for us to use. This THR article that we currently use to support some of the latest Phase 5 scheduling changes also includes X-Men '97, but it doesn't explicitly state that it is part of the phase anywhere. We are also dealing with the fact that Marvel did not include any of their animated series when they announced Phase 5 and 6. I think we considered at the time that it was possible for the "Marvel Animated Multiverse" shows to be part of the Multiverse Saga but separate from the phases. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On April 16, 2024, Disney+ added X-Men '97 under the "MCU Multiverse Saga" collection. Director Emi Yonemura commented that Kevin Feige considered making X-Men '97 canon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, however, it was decided that, for the moment, since X-Men: The Animated Series "was its own thing" the new series "needed to be its own thing" too. Supervising producer Jake Castorena added that the worlds were separate saying "if you try to connect things like that, it may or may not, I dare not say hinder storytelling".
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/x-men-97-mcu-canon 5.197.243.124 (talk) 22:31, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, I've just recalled, we do know for sure that MCU includes fully animated universes, at least one. IKhitron (talk) 00:26, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I think this is quite the reach on Disney+'s part, and if anything, we should wait for further clarification from someone actually from Marvel. If the Watcher featured in X-Men '97 isn't the same watcher from What If...?, then it doesn't make sense to claim that the former is part of the same fictional universe/multiverse as the latter. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We know that there are multiple Watchers in the MCU, so the Watcher seen in X-Men '97 being different from the one in What If...? should have no bearing on this. And we don't usually second guess Disney+ when it comes to the timeline, which is the same thing that has happened here. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, I've added about the season to a new, "Related" section at the Phase Five article, here. It feels like an appropriate way to acknowledge the release of the season within the Phase, even though it is not part of the MCU proper. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:37, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I am okay with that for now. Hopefully it isn't too long of a wait until Spider-Man comes out as I think the way that is treated should be a good indication. It would be even better if we got clarity on how all the animated shows fit into the phases. - adamstom97 (talk) 08:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X-Men '97 references some fictional organizations/brands that are not from the comics and were created for the MCU. These include WHIH World News, VistaCorp, Pingo Doce, and Stark Expo. Sources: (1) (2) (3) . Could this be noted in the article? YgorD3 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are Easter eggs. Seem trivial. InfiniteNexus (talk) 09:21, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is true. I made the suggestion a few days ago, but I soon realized that adding these things would not be relevant to any part of the article. YgorD3 (talk) 17:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cast and character breakdown

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Tracking the credits to confirm cast order for the article. Using the opening credits for each episode to determine who counts as "main" since there is no main-on-end titles with actor names like other MCU shows.

- adamstom97 (talk) 19:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cast list in lead

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You know we have to mention what the sources state and not every "MCU TV" article has to follow some "rule", right? ภץאคгöร 22:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We're not following WP:MCUTVCAST here. This order is based on the Disney+ credits, and while they do not differentiate between the main, recurring, and guest cast as many other series do, we are obviously not going to list all of them as bulleted as that would become quite an exhaustive list. When main cast is not easily apparent, going off of the opening credits is a great indicator of which actors/roles are the main ones, especially in this case. This does fall in accordance with MOS:TVCAST for now until more sources are produced which specifically state which actors are the main, recurring, or guest roles. Trailblazer101 (talk) 23:51, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've largely been avoiding this page for editing because I know a lot has been changed and added since it premiered, but this list is great to help figure out recurring and guests. As to who could be a "main" actor, I'd suggest first off to base it on the actors Disney included in their pre-release material (Ray Chase, Jennifer Hale, Alison Sealy-Smith, Cal Dodd, J. P. Karliak, Lenore Zann, George Buza, A. J. LoCascio, Holly Chou, Isaac Robinson-Smith, Matthew Waterson, and Adrian Hough) all of whom have now appeared in the opening credits. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only difference between that list and the one I came up with based on the opening credits is Ross Marquand. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replacing actors

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Regarding the sections that still need citations, about certain actors having their voice actors replaced in this series, would it be enough to find a source about X character being voiced by Y actor in the original cartoon, or should we find a source that specifically states that "X actor voices Y character, replacing Z actor"? PanagiotisZois (talk) 17:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for who played the character in the original series are fine if there isn't something better. - adamstom97 (talk) 17:10, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Season drafts

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FYI there are drafts for potential season articles at Draft:X-Men '97 season 1, Draft:X-Men '97 season 2, and Draft:X-Men '97 season 3. I have cleaned these up based on the latest version of this article. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:05, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Love to see it! Great work as per usual, Adam! Trailblazer101 (talk) 19:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Source ?

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I found a website dealing with the show's social media engagement. However, I do not know if it really is a reliable source or not. Here is the link if someone wants to check. Higher Further Faster (talk) 11:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like their rankings are based on polls on their website, so probably not. I also did a quick search to see if they have been referenced by any reliable sources and it doesn't look like. May be mostly appropriate as a fan resource. - adamstom97 (talk) 12:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Understood, thank you for your response ! Higher Further Faster (talk) 08:56, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X-Men '97 won a Harvey Award

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Hello.

This show's Harvey Award win should probably be mentioned in the "Accolades" section of this Wikipedia page.

https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/comics/article/96287-at-the-2024-new-york-comic-con-comics-still-rule.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Harvey_Award_winners

David A (talk) 03:56, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - adamstom97 (talk) 10:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. David A (talk) 12:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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