Talk:Vasos Mavrovouniotis

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This may not be the best article on wiki, but the person is notable on the basis that he commanded a significant part of an army in battle. the fact that the battle itself, as much of Greek history, is not currently well represented on wiki, is not cause to delete this article. Druworos 18:23, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent reponse to a prod. Good work, you've made this article worth keeping. WVhybrid 18:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I guess :P Druworos 18:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added some more GPL info

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Serbian!??

Where did you get information that he was Serbian?His name alone says what he was. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.155.40.206 (talk) 05:37, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He was born Васо Брајовић, in Serbian family, by Serbian origin. His nickname derives from place where he lived. Tadija (talk) 10:53, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No he was not born in Serbian family,Brajovici are not Serbs they are Montenegrins.Prove that he was Serbian or,otherwise,I will keep removing this uncertain information. My source that he was probably Montenegrin,other than his surname:"Radi se o knjizi „Vasos Mavrouniotis” autora Atanasiosa Hrisolagisa, u biblioteci istorijskih israživanja „Grčka borba” izdata 8. januara 1876. godine. Ova knjiga napisana je, kako tvrdi autor, sa namjerom da postane specijalna naučna studija univerzitetskog istraživanja i ambicijom da bude udžbenik u grčkom nastavnom programu. Neosporno je da je Vaso Brajović rođen krajem 18. vijeka, tačnije, 1790. godine, u viđenijoj i veoma poštovanoj crnogorskoj porodici u Bjelopavlićima, tvrde grčki istoriografi, među kojima i Atanasions Hrisologis, mada ima i tvrdnji da je rodom iz Boke, odnosno Mojdeža kod Herceg-Novog. Bez obzira gdje je rođen, radi se o Vasu Crnogorcu (Vasos Mavrouniotis), koji se, bezgranično ljubeći svoj gorštački i oskudan kraj u kojem se živjelo prema zavjetu otaca zakonima čojstva i junaštva, kao moreplovac rano otisnuo u bijeli svijet, da bi, nakon mnogih avantura od Trsta, Kube, Carigrada, dospio u Grčku gdje učestvuje u oslobodilačkim borbama protiv Turaka (1821-1829)." Another thing.Until you prove that he was Serbian I suggest that we remove "Serbian" from "Serbian cyrillic",and leave just cyrillic instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.222.12.183 (talk) 01:55, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His name clearly shows he was from Montenegro. Whether he was Montenegrin or Serbian is not clear at all. Untill we can have some sort of reliable reference either way, I suggest all references to nationality be removed. This edit war is getting rather old. Don't you have more meaningfull things to fight over people? And also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but don't you (Serbs and Montenegrins) share the same language and religion? Try to work together instead of against each other. There's too much hate in the Balkans as it is, no need to add more. Druworos (talk) 19:42, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Druworos, it's silly to be fighting over this. However it is not right for people to be editing Montenegrin historical figures and portraying them as something other than what they were. That's called historical revisionism. His name does indeed display his ethnic background, however Bjelopavlici (where he was born) was not a part of Montenegro in that time, which makes him ethnic Montenegrin and not a national. DipleGusle (talk) 22:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestry

Whatever his birthplace it is certain that he was from the house of Brajović from the Bjelopavlići (Palabardhi) clan, his Y-haplogroup was E-V13. He belonged to the clade CTS9320, the most common in all of Greece. It is also the clade of George Kastrioti. So the part about how "all scholars agree on Slavic ancestry" is bullshit. It is evident that he was a Highlander warrior of Paleo-Balkanic (probably Epirote) descent, not a Slav. Language ≠ Ethnicity. Montenegrin ≠ Slavic. 62.4.55.104 (talk) 11:55, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]