Talk:Urbano music

Orphaned references in Urbano music

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Urbano music's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Hot 100 peak":

• From I Like It (Cardi B, Bad Bunny and J Balvin song): Trust, Gary (July 2, 2018). "Cardi B Becomes First Female Rapper With Two Billboard Hot 100 No. 1s, as 'I Like It', With Bad Bunny & J Balvin, Follows 'Bodak Yellow' to the Top". Billboard. Retrieved July 2, 2018.
• From Taki Taki (song): Trust, Gary (29 October 2018). "Maroon 5 and Cardi B Rule Billboard Hot 100 For Sixth Week, Post Malone and Swae Lee Debut in Top 10". Billboard. Retrieved 30 October 2018.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:55, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Urbano is not a music genre

It is an umbrella term, a radio station format conceived from la kalle radio by univision, It includes many genres, the umbrella term is not defined by any musical genre but by whether the artists consider themselves as an urban or not, An urban artist can make a bachata, merengue, salsa or jazz as much as they can make a reggaeton, reggae, hip hop or etc Gatomorado (talk) 06:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Gatomorado: How are you, PurpleCat? So I wanted to say hi. The sources do mention "Urbano" I've been searching the word and it's used in the sources.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 18:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@The Eloquent Peasant:

Hello friend!

If I may I have two issues with considering urbano a genre and I think you would see the epistemological merit in it.

My first quarrel and less important issue is that most of the writers who write these articles are music pundits or reporters, they are not qualified to be seen as authority on this music and they are rarely erhnomusicologists.

My second quarrel is that urbano does not have any stylistic unity, nor an adherence to a certain sonic circuitry or heritage to be coherent enough be considered as a musical genre. The only broad characteristic that defines what latin urban is being "urban" and sung or rapped in spanish or portuguese.

It is in the same way reminiscent of how Latin music was (and sometimes still is)considered as a genre, when it was just a broad category made to put any Spanish music into. The same with tropical music. Would it make sense to mesh cumbia, son, salsa, merengue, bachata, plena and Bomba together and call them a genre of tropical music when the only thing they share is being from the latin carribean and being tropical? I am not against having latin urban or urbano as a broad category or grouping under which we can put different styles and genres in order categorize themselves. For example it is easier for wisin y yandel to say we are urban music instead of saying we are artists that do reggaeton,dancehall, dance pop and sometimes merengue and bachata. I get the utility of it. But considering it a genre would be an self inflicted wound and would water down and homogenize those genres in public discourse which in the end affirms latin american genres as marginal and unworthy of being taken seriously

Looking forward to reading from you! Gatomorado (talk) 21:09, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Gatomorado: Is the existing Urban music article for (urban) English songs and this current Urbano music article for Spanish songs? But then couldn't someone argue that the two articles should be merged into one? I wish I knew more about it. I just know I like listening to reggaeton and bachata and trap and that I bumped into Bad Bunny on a beach in Puerto Rico in May. Then, on my way to the airport, took the pic of the X 100pre billboard on the side of the building. It was a Bad Bunny kind of summer. Like a mom watching her child, I wish he would never grow up.

The radio guy also invented "urban music" if you see that article, it says it there. That doesn't make me an expert but ... So what were we talking about. Sorry. So um would urban music and urbano music then end up being merged into one? That's why I think it needs to remain "urbano music" and the article does say it is an umbrella term- matching what the sources say.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 22:27, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@The Eloquent Peasant:

The story about bad bunny was awesome! That u bumped into him, he came out with amazing songs this year

I think the reason why urban music and urbano/latin urban wont merge is because they are separated by language.

I agree with you that the urbano should remain either urbano which is what it's called in Spanish and also be referred to latin urban which is what it is called in English. The only thing I stress is that urbano is a grouping and a category but not a musical genre

Am I making sense?

Yes, you're making sense of course. You're good + I'm good= Estamos Bien. --The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 23:10, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Chevere!!! Gatomorado (talk) 06:42, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Maybe, look at this WP list for "reliable sources" that we can use to back up any updates we make to articles. Spanish language newspapers are good sources too. Thanks.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 12:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Will do! I will look around Gatomorado (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2019 (UTC)