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There is consensus to split the section(s) about Florida into a separate article, in line with WP:SIZERULE and what has been done for other states' sections. No prejudice against cleaning up or trimming other content. As the article is currently fully protected, I will have to leave actually carrying out this split to another editor. Toadspike[Talk]09:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The article is currently 8,899 words and likely over 9,000 once words in tables are included. It’s at the point that my phone struggled to even load the page due to how long it was. As a result, I am proposing splitting off the Florida content, which has a lot of information for the preparations and impacts and is likely incomplete. Especially as this article is likely to grow in the aftermath, it is reasonable to consider trimming this down a bit. While Noah above explains that this is undue, I would like to disagree and say that the Florida section should be approximately in line with the South Carolina section, not the North Carolina one. SIZERULE recommends a split above 8,000 words and I don’t think this rises to a Katrina level storm where we keep it over 8,000. 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article doesn’t even mention any rainfall impacts for Florida, which there isn’t a ton of info for but I found this and this. As a result, the Florida section is still incomplete. Once expanded it will be a lot longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.118.218 (talk) 20:33, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - Florida section is quite long. Technically, article should be split per SIZERULE. However, this is an important topic that may warrant a long article. Wildfireupdateman (talk) 15:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - trim the Georgia and North Carolina sections first, since they both have sub-articles, and shorten the Political response. There are 1300 words, which is a significant part of the article, but a lot of it reads like it was written in real time. "Biden spoke to a couple whose home had been destroyed by storm surge and discussed the impacts of the storm with local emergency management officials before returning to Perry where he boarded Marine One and then flew to Moody Air Force Base in Georgia." - this is pretty insignificant. The whole two paragraphs about Biden visiting damaged areas could be written in a few sentences. And the last paragraph:
"On October 7, NBC News reported that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis refused to take Vice President Kamala Harris' phone calls about storm recovery, according to an aide who claimed that DeSantis was avoiding talking to Harris because the calls "seemed political". In a press conference later that day DeSantis disputed the report saying that he didn't know Harris had called and said that he wasn't the one who was saying it was political. When Harris was asked about the report she did not deny it and without naming DeSantis directly accused the Florida Governor of "playing political games" in a moment of crisis and that it was "just utterly irresponsible".[369] DeSantis later appeared on Fox News where he said that Harris had "no role" in the recovery effort and said that she was the "first one who is trying to politicize the storm" and that she had done it because of her campaign for president."
Ugh that just seems so cringey to read at the end of a hurricane article, when this seems so trivial now. I don't think a separate Florida article would help much at this point, I just think the main article needs some tweaking. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi IP editor, apologies for the late reply. Here at Wikipedia, we are required to use reliable sources. We cannot add your suggestion without a source. Also, note that we may not add it if the information is too specific as this is a large article. ✶Quxyz✶14:16, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the discussion doesn't follow the storm's track as it was well east of the Atlanta area. The track on the page isn't very accurate.
I don't see discussion on the inaccuracy of the NHC's forecast. I'm in the utility business and follow storm forecasts regularly and this one was way off even as it was occurring. I can't recall seeing an NHC forecast so bad. Ventusky.com's chosen model was accurate days out, though I discounted it and relied on NHC to my detriment. See
The devastation line was (S-N) Valdosta, Douglas, Hazlehurst, Vidalia, Swainsboro, Augusta. Go 30 miles east of these cities and the damage dropped off significantly... no where near Atlanta. Granite03 (talk) 21:01, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As we all know, Helene has already become the costliest (and probably even deadliest) tropical cyclone in the southeastern United States altogether. Most of the damage has been done in Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina, which already makes me believe that South Carolina would fall in second place in terms of damage (which it already has in fatalities). It would also make logical sense anyway to have effects articles for all the states in the southeast, as all have been hit extremely hard. Tennessee doesn't really deserve an article as the damage isn't nearly as great as surrounding states. Once there is a known damage value (if greater than $5 billion USD), I will start creating a draft. Iseriously (talk) 01:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iseriously The South Carolina subsection of this article (as of right now) is similar in size to the other states' subsections. I'd suggest expanding the South Carolina subsection first, and only spinning off a separate effects article if the information you find makes it too large. JayTee⛈️ 17:50, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not if the SC section can be expanded upon here still without overcrowding its portion of the article. Not every storm with a subarticle for its impacts in one state has a subarticle for every other state it's impacted. JayTee⛈️ 05:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Iseriously For the third time, the section on SC in this article is not very large and could be expanded upon fairly easily. Use your sources to expand this part of the article, that's more constructive than making a new subarticle before this section has outgrown itself. JayTee⛈️ 03:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Done Cheers. Drdpw (talk) 20:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)