Talk:The Chasan Villa

Creation of New Redirect from Outcome of Articles for Deletion

After the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Chasan Villa, the administrator who closed the AfD mentioned that editors could “place a redirect on-top of the deletion and merge in some of the content, they can through normal editorial channels.” That maintenance has been completed and the corresponding Talk page has been created with this message. Editchecker123 (talk) 18:13, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

The AfD closer mentioned the possibility of redirecting to Roslyn Chasan, not Fred Chasan. I've fixed the redirect. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 19:44, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion of Sources for Article on The Chasan Villa

After the outcome of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Chasan Villa, the administrator who closed the AfD mentioned that editors “further explore this issue” around sources that could count for notability. As part of the follow-up maintenance, I am making a running list of sources that have been brought up which include The Chasan Villa. This is intended to be a discussion where editors can add / strike / remove sources (please list rationale when doing so):

Editchecker123 (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

• [1] Daily Breeze (Newspaper in Print): Shows several photos of the house along with analysis of its design and construction
• [2] Google Books of Landslides and Landslide Mitigation in Southern California (Book in Print): Discusses the geology and landslide of 901 Paseo del Mar a.k.a. The Chasan Villa: Prepared by California State University
• [3] Google Books: Report of California Major Construction Projects (Report in Print): Shows construction details of this property, shows that it was a "major construction project"
• [4] Google Books of California. Court of Appeal (2nd Appellate District). (Court Records in Print)
• [5] LA Weekly (Los Angeles-specific website): General article on the subject of the villa
• [6] Film Daily (Hollywood-specific website): Thorough analysis of the property and its history
• [7] Film Daily (Hollywood-specific website): Analysis of connections between The Chasan Villa and media and interview from the owning family
• [8] Film Daily (Hollywood-specific website): List of 10 notable places in Palos Verdes from Film & Media
• [9] Business Insider (General news website): Analysis by reporting staff and interview from the owning family (different family member)
• [10] Travelers Today (Places specific website): Analysis of existing government and court records related to The Chasan Villa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editchecker123 (talk • contribs) 19:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

  These sources are generally very low quality.

  1. Looks like an RS, but coverage in a small local newspaper doesn't contribute a great deal toward notability.

  2. Seems to be just a passing mention.

  3. This book appears to be just a list of building permits pulled. The criteria for "major construction project" can't be that stringent, since there seem to have been at least a dozen of them in Palos Verdes Heights in 1979 alone.

  4. The court records are a primary source, and generally not usable.

  5.The LA Weekly story looks very much like paid/sponsored content.

  6/7/8. The Film Daily source is definitely not RS, it's a pay-to-post site.

  9. BI is generally a legit site, but that post (on their African site, for some reason) looks very much like paid content.

  10. Travelers Today looks to be the same thing as Film Daily.

  It's also interesting that all these articles (#5-10) have been posted to the web suddenly in the last month. If anyone were to want to use any of the articles (#5-10), it would certainly be appropriate to check at WP:RSN before doing so. I posted there about Film Daily, as a followup from the AfD. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 23:19, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

  Following up on this, WP:RSN has said that Film Daily is not a reliable source: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Filmdaily.co. I'll continue to post sources here if any more appear in research on the topic. Editchecker123 (talk) 05:16, 13 April 2023 (UTC)