Talk:Tees Valley Mayor

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What's the actual job title?

Noticed a bit of an ongoing dispute about this in the edit history, so I'm starting a discussion about it here on the talk page for consensus purposes. Is this role officially called the Mayor of the Tees Valley or the Tees Valley Mayor?

Going to @UnicornSherbert and @Amakuru, seeing as the two of you seem to know some stuff about the topic and are in the process of moving this page between titles, so you can work out what sources call this role by which name and which sources are the most authoritative or something.

I will note that on the official 'about' page for the Mayor, it refers to him as the Metro Mayor of the Tees Valley and as the Mayor of the Tees Valley - but not as the Tees Valley Mayor. 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 17:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The format of "Tees Valley Mayor" or "Metro Mayor" is informal and incorrect. Every other article for a mayor of a CA or CCA are entitulated "Mayor of X". This page was "Mayor of the Tees Valley" to start with and then was changed to Tees Valley Mayor which I requested to be moved back to Mayor of the Tees Valley (which was approved) and which has been subsequently reverted to Tees Valley Mayor. Both moves to Tees Valley Mayor have been undiscussed. The page should be reverted to Mayor of the Tees Valley, which is consistent with other Mayors of CAs and CCAs. UnicornSherbert (talk) 17:31, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is moved, I suggest to consider omitting "the". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This would be inconsistent with: (1) Mayor of the North East; (2) Mayor of the East Midlands; (3) Mayor of the Liverpool City Region; (4) Mayor of the West Midlands; (5) Mayor of the West of England. Propose to include "the" in the article title. UnicornSherbert (talk) 18:10, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with keeping the 'the' (anywho, I haven't seen the 'the'-less title Mayor of Tees Valley used anywhere myself) 🔥HOTm̵̟͆e̷̜̓s̵̼̊s̸̜̃🔥 (talk・edits) 20:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There appears to be two separate discussions on this very issue spread on two separate talk pages. Should we continue with two separate discussions or keep it in one place? Also, I said in the other discussion that the page has been moved back and forth it would be right to WP:MOVP it indefinitely. UnicornSherbert (talk) 20:58, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 3 May 2024

Requested move 3 May 2024 – sockstruck

Tees Valley Mayor → Mayor of the Tees Valley – The move back to Tees Valley Mayor is wrong. The original move to Tees Valley Mayor was undiscussed. Every other mayor of a CA is referred to as "Mayor of X". There is no reason for this Mayor to have any other name which is inconsistent with every other Mayor. UnicornSherbert (talk) 15:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet) This is a contested technical request (permalink). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Initial comments copied from WP:RMTR:

@Amakuru - I believe this move is the undiscussed move UnicornSherbert is talking about. ASUKITE 15:29, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This one has been moved back and forth enough times that a discussion is warranted. Bensci54 (talk) 16:52, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The most recent stable title appears to be the current title, so the suggested move would not be a revert of a recent undiscussed move. The identified move was 5 years ago. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Talk:Tees Valley Mayor. The points I have made are valid and are insurmountable. I would also propose, following discussion, that a WP:MOVP be imposed indefinitely given it has been moved back and forth over the years. UnicornSherbert (talk) 17:35, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If this is moved, I suggest considering omitting "the". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This would be inconsistent with: (1) Mayor of the North East; (2) Mayor of the East Midlands; (3) Mayor of the Liverpool City Region; (4) Mayor of the West Midlands; (5) Mayor of the West of England. Propose to include "the" in the article title. UnicornSherbert (talk) 18:13, 3 May 2024 (UTC)(

Blocked sockpuppet)[reply]

The other ones mentioned above seem less natural without "the" than this one does. In fact, since the article about Tees Valley says "The area is not a geographical valley", including "the" seems misleading. This may be part of why the logo chosen for the mayor says "Tees Valley Mayor" – that avoids including "the". The logo/wordmark for Tees Valley as shown in the article on that subject also doesn't include "the". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 21:16, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*:All of this is nonsense when taken with the fact that this is the only mayor which has its article spelled this way instead of the proper way. In any event, what you're saying is also nonsense because the area is referred to as "the Tees Valley" or "Teesside". UnicornSherbert (talk) 23:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)Blocked sock. Cambial — foliar❧ 13:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I really don't care what other such articles are called, but given the mayor's own website says "Tees Valley Mayor", as does the logo in this article (sourced from the brand guidelines, and as far as I can tell, the WP:COMMONNAME too, in sources such as [1] there seems little reason for this to be moved. My only thought would be maybe this should be made sentence case per MOS:CAPS, as some sources just say Tees Valley mayor... But not too hung up on that. I see little reason to favour the proposed target either way. — Amakuru (talk) 21:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]