Talk:South Wales derby

Match table

I have decided to remove the match list from the article. The table was already rather unwieldy and a full list would see over 100 entries which I believe is of little encyclopedic value. Looking at other derby pages, including the only GA class article I could find, none of these pages have a list of this magnitude. Kosack (talk) 20:27, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Changed my mind here. Kosack (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:South Wales derby/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 14:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Happy to review this article. MWright96 (talk) 14:00, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

General

• Football nicknames should not generally used and referred to as their generic formal name

Lead

• "is a local derby between Welsh football clubs Cardiff City and Swansea City." - how about association football to distinguish it for American readers? - Done
• "The fixture is regarded as one of the fiercest rivalries in British football." - It would help to state who regarded it as one of football's fiercest rivalries to avoid a violation of MOS:WEASEL - Done
• "The meeting between the two sides took place in 1912, in Swansea's first competitive fixture, and ended in a draw." - there's a word missing at the beginning of this sentence - Done
• "before Swansea enjoyed a resurgence under the manager of John Toshack" - the text towards the end of this sentence can be changed to either management or under manager John Toshack - Done
• "before eventually meeting in the top tier of English football for the first time in 2013." - mention this is the Premier League for reasons of clarity - Done

Southern Football League

• "The team competed in amateur leagues" - in the amateur leagues- Done
• Wikilink substitutes to Substitute (association football) - Done
• "Although the club's met in the fourth qualifying round" - typo; clubs- Done

Pre-war and wartime

• "winning the 1927 FA Cup '''final'''" - the redlink can easily be fixed by capitalising the first letter of the word "final" - Done
• "In the 1920s the rivalry was considered" - considered by whom? - Done
• "Goodwill messages were also forwarded to the Cardiff team" - The BBC Sport source that is attached to this only mentions one goodwill message rather than several
• Wikilink Vetch Field - Done
• "As a result, the derby was played only four further times" - better; was played a further four times - Done

Post-war

• "chose to leave the club to join Swansea after receiving a lucrative offer from the rival club." - close reptition of "club"- Done
• "Before the 1960s the rivalry was a typically a friendly one and many fans held no animosity towards their Welsh rivals. In the area between the two cities, some fans supported both teams and matches between the sides in the post-war decade often saw opposing fans standing alongside each other on the terraces." - much of this text is not mentioned in The Independent source cited to it but the BBC Sport reference "Swansea City v Cardiff City: The 'can't-lose' south Wales derby" does. I suggest both sources be bundled together - Done

Lower divisions and hooliganism

• "the derbies became plagued by violence led largely by each sides hooligan firms," - by hooligan firms from both sides, - Done
• "On 23 December 1993, a match between the two sides was dubbed 'The Battle Of Ninian Park' after violence erupted." - the WalesOnline source states it was the 22 December 1993 and should be used along with the BBC Sport citation from 2019 as citation bundling - Done
• "The start of the match was delayed for 40 minutes as police attempted to control the rival fans." - not mentioned by the BBC Sport but is stated by The Times source "White and Rocastle swap clubs to revive their careers" from 23 December 1993 - Done
• "a fan who attended the match and went on to become an intelligence officer on hooligan firms for the South Wales Police," - for South Wales Police], - Done
• "fined £2,000 and handed one-match suspensions." - not mentioned by the BBC Sport reference attached to it. Please locate a source that explicitly states this. - Done

New eras

• "The first derby in just under a decade took place in the League Cup on 23 September 2008, with Swansea winning 1–0." - I don't see the scoreline mentioned in the source provided. A match-specific source would help to verify this information

  It's in there, "The game, which Swansea won one nil...". Kosack (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• "A league fixture, on 5 April 2009 at Ninian Park, was marred by referee Mike Dean being hit in the head by a coin thrown from the crowd," - BBC Sport said it was possible a coin struck Mike Dean but a quick Google Search of other sources stated that it was definitely indeed a coin - Done
• "This resulted in a total fifteen arrests" - a total of - Done
• "thanks to a headed goal from ex-Swansea defender" - more formal; after a headed goal from former Swansea defender- Done

Record

• The results summary table should have the latest result date set at 12 January 2020- Done

Players for both clubs

• "In the 1950s and 60s," - 1960s- Done
• "and initially struggled to win over Cardiff fans." - I believe the text in bold can be reworded to be more formal than it presently is- Done
• "and even received a razor blade in the mail." - should be written as post since this article should be written in BrEng- Done
• "The rivalry is prevalent among the club's staff as well as fans," - the comma should be replaced by a full stop or a semi-colon- Done
• "when arriving at the ground as a Cardiff player." - Vetch Field- Done

References

• References 1, 27, 34, 66 are missing the dates the articles were published

  Fixed 1 and 27 but the two Swansea refs only have days and months, not the year. Kosack (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• Reference 12 should include Cardiff City F.C. as the publisher of that work- Done
• Reference 39 is dead and requires an archive link- Done
• The url in Reference 31 has changed and this will need to be reflected here

  The ref works fine for me? Kosack (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• Reference 46 is missing the author of the article- Done

The main issues of the article concern the prose and some content is not verified by some of the sources are in the incorrect position with a few references lacking certain parameters. On hold. MWright96 (talk) 16:23, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• @MWright96: Thanks for taking the time to review. I've addressed all of the points above, a couple of minor responses included as well. Let me know what you think. Kosack (talk) 21:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

  • Now promoting to GA class. MWright96 (talk) 07:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)