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Famous people

The article is about Saratov but Famous people section is about Saratov Oblast. Xx236 06:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I am not mistaken, Dorion Edev is deevrod, isn't it? Бабанин Иван (talk) 14:44, 25 March 2010 (UTC)Бабанин Иван[reply]

I second this. Deevrod (talk) 06:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sister Cities

Can anyone add the section on "Sister Cities" for Saratov? I know Dallas, Texas is one of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom3605 (talk • contribs) 09:33, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gelonus

If Saratov would be in the mixed or coniferous forest the first mention to Saratov as its possible location, one would agree, but, but... Please delete and start with much reliable Tatar settlement. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.114.204.159 (talk) 20:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jan. 2011: modifications by Guzikov96

I had also been considering reverting the two edits by Guzikov96, the article had indeed been badly messed up. At the same time I was reluctant, because it seemed to me this person had put up a great effort, meriting at least a word of appreciation. The dilemma was solved for me by people less delicate... using the word vandalism shows poor respect for an honest if little succesful effort. At the very least I should like to advise Guzikov96 be not too much disappointed, and I recommend to try again, adding the additional data a little bit at a time, so that others could come to help with spelling and structuring. And of course one can always ask for help. Jan olieslagers (talk) 20:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the changes had caused too much confusion to be easily fixed by editing; but you are right, I should not have used the word "vandalism" in my edit summary. I have left a welcome message and a few words of advice on his talk page. JohnCD (talk) 20:41, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, JohnCD, it is nice to agree - especially on a birthday! Jan olieslagers (talk) 20:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

expulsion of Germans

The article says only 'half' of Volga Germans were expelled. In fact, like Tatars & other groups, ALL Germans were expelled from the region.

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Этимология Саратов

Царицын(ныне Волгоград), как вариант происхождение от мокшанского и родственных ему языков финских народов от Сарысинь -Пойменный, где Сарысь(Сара) -Пойма, а Нь- окончание обозначающее принадлежность. По аналогии с Саратовом(Сара Тов -Пойменное Семя или Пойменное Зёрнышко) Царицын был основан на острове в речной пойме, соответственно отсюда происходит наименование, т.е. Царицын -Сарысинь -Пойменный. Соответственно от Сарысь -Пойма могло перенестись название на т.н. ныне протекающую по территории Волгограда речку Царица, тем более пойма речки Царица регулярно затапливалась Волгой в которую она впадает и соответственно речка Царица также могла называться Сарысинь-Пойменная, от которой название также могло перейти на селение в уже руссифицированном виде Царицын. Сара и Сарысь по произношению на мокшанском языке идентичны в переводе, похожий пример Ур -Белка и Урысь -Белка также идентичны в переводе. Есть также Сарпинский остров совсем рядом с городом Царицын(ныне Волгоград) -это самый большой остров на реке Волга и один из самых больших речных островов в Европе и который переводятся с мокшанского языка от Сарпинь -Принадлежащий Пойменному Краю или если благозвучнее на русский, то Пойменный, где Сар(Сара)-Пойма, Пи-Край(Конец),а Нь-окончание обозначающее принадлежность. Чуть южнее Царицына(Волгограда) есть Сарпинские озёра которые переводятся с мокшанского как Пойменные, по аналогии с островом Сарпинский и представляли они из себя до 70-х годов 20 века систему плёсов. Из википедии:"Сарпинские озёра представляют собой реликт внутренней дельты пра-Волги. Значительные площади занимают лиманы", т.е. вполне соответствуют названию Пойменные. Из википедии про город Царицын:"Возник около 1555 года на острове близ левого берега Волги, но вскоре был перенесён на мыс правого берега при впадении в Волгу реки Царицы, по которой и получил название Царицын. Гидроним «Царица», в свою очередь, произошёл из тюркского «Сары-су» (сары — «жёлтый», су — «вода»). Есть также гипотеза, что название Царицын образовано от названия острова, которое на картах XIV—XVI веков надписывалось как «Цицара». Предполагается, что это иранское название с неизвестным значением.". Навязанное в очередной раз в википедии и т.н. общепринятой истории тюркское "Сары-Желтая"(Сары Су-Жёлтая Вода) как в случае с Саратовом(Сары Тау-Жёлтая Гора) или Сарапул(Жёлтая Рыба) скорее всего не причём, ибо как правило не находят должного подтверждения. Версии этимологии топонимов образованных от Сара(Пойма,Болото) как Царицын(Сарысинь), Саратов, Сарапул, Саров, Саранск и Чебоксары выглядят гораздо правдоподобнее с языков финских народов и по сути лучше альтернативы им нет. P.S. На карте мира Фра Мауро 1459 года изображена "пра-Волга" в виде правого рукава Волги на месте которой образовались Сарпинские озёра и которая якобы исчезла гораздо ранее. 109.248.245.163 (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

German community

It looks like a while ago someone added two paragraphs on Stalinist deportations and calling it genocide without any attribution. It looks like the same user did this in other articles. Firstly, outright calling it "genocide" is very much POV pushing, there is not even such consensus on population transfer in the Soviet Union overall, and the editor decided to use garbage self-published sources to support such a statement. Sources such as Moscow's Final Solution. And the second paragraph was completely unsourced and basically someone's commentary. So I have removed it. Mellk (talk) 13:55, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]