Talk:Sacred mysteries

More Than Christian

The Mysteries are by definition Sacred. And in my opinion, there should be MUCH more to say about non-/pre-Christian mystery schools than is said on this page. For example, the book The Secret Teaching of All Ages by Manly P. Hall is a good reference. Unfortunately, i am not an expert on the subject, hence i cannot add to the pre-Christian section.

In the pre-Christian section, I removed the specific references to Mithraism, which has an extensive article of its own, as I felt it unbalanced the piece. Robina Fox 15:04, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

That was a mistake. Wikipedia is full of cross-references and Mithraism and its sacred Mysteries is very important to this article! 99.169.79.198 (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Hindu Milk-Drinking Idol?

Although I've cleaned up the section entitled, Hindu Milk-Drinking Idol, made it more NPOV, and moved it to the end to preserve a chronological arrangement of the article, I really question why it was added to this article in the first place. Do Hindus use the term "Sacred Mystery" in referring to this? MishaPan 22:32, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Not generic

The term Sacred Mysteries is not generic, but one having a specific meaning in Christian theology. That is the whole point of the article, is it not?

--Sophroniscus 22:44, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Christianity may claim the trademark or copyright on "sacred mysteries" but the words already have a meaning, and it stems from the language and culture of the ancient Greek secret societies. Without mention of these, the article has no foundation. The article probably needs a middle section explaining how Christianity adapted the terms and the practices. I recall reading a description of an early-AD Christian initiation rite--or maybe I heard this from a Catholic lay-worker in the "De Colores" movement--where the initiate was blindfolded and suddenly exposed to a throng of new comrades in a brightly lit room, symbolizing rebirth, perhaps, but certainly the notion of being introduced to sacred (literally, "set apart") social processes not accessible to the average person. They certainly enacted that surprise party aspect in the De Colores retreat I attended in 1980 or so.Chrisrushlau (talk) 19:05, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

the definition is also completely mistaken. "Mystery" doesn't have anything to do with "supernatural phenomena". It has everything to do with secrecy. This should disambiguate between mystery religion and sacrament/Disciplina arcani. These are the two meanings of "sacred mysteries":

• in antiquity, the religious cults that were kept secret from non-initiates
• in Christian mysticism, the notion that there are certain "secret" aspects to the meaning of the sacraments. I.e. mysterium fidei, mystery of the rosary, mystery of the cross, etc. --dab (𒁳) 14:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Christianity claims no "trademark or copyright on 'sacred mysteries'" - that was bizarre. The Roman Catholic Church has attempted to detract from the original meaning of the 'sacred Mysteries' be redefining it and including the term in its mass as part of its dogma. Terminology is very important. 99.169.79.198 (talk) 14:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation of "Mysterium"

Resolved

 – Just a pointer to a relevant discussion elsewhere.

A discussion relevant to this page is at Talk:Mysterium (Scriabin)#Requested move. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ Contribs. 22:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Other religions

If this page covers religions other than Christianity (albeit currently only in pre-Christianity form), is it worth adding a brief note about similarities in other religions, such as Scientology, which prohibits believers from learning about things like Xenu until they've paid enough gained enough EXP attained the OT3 level? It seems a somewhat similar concept. Xmoogle (talk) 20:53, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

And Freemasonry, and modern magic systems... This article could use a lot of work. 18:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.46.33 (talk)

Freemasonry has been entrusted with keeping the Sacred Mysteries

This includes sacred geometry and reincarnation.

The Essenes practiced the Sacred Mysteries

This article now includes that the Essenes also practiced the Sacred Mysteries. 2601:589:4705:C7C0:5191:FDC8:47D5:A092 (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Sacred Mysteries Teach Reincarnation

All the different cultures' Mysteries taught reincarnation. 2601:580:0:ABD7:895A:F273:39A2:F977 (talk) 18:09, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

- you need to provide citations to reliable published sources to substantiate this claim - WP:OR, WP:NOR, WP:VERIFY, WP:RS, WP:CITE - cheers -

- Yes and you need to provide citations to reliable published sources to unsubstantiate this claim. 99.169.79.198 (talk) 14:38, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Jewish Mysteries: The Essenes - the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls - were preservers of the ancient sacred Mysteries unlike the other two sects of Judaism: the Pharisees and Sadducees

I added the new section "Jewish Mysteries - The Essenes - the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls - were preservers of the ancient sacred Mysteries unlike the other two sects of Judaism: the Pharisees and Sadducees. They taught sacred geometry and reincarnation<ref]needed</ref]. 99.169.79.198 (talk) 14:35, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

- citations to reliable sources (WP:RS) required to support assertions per WP:ATT & WP:VERIFY - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 15:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)