Talk:Roxanne Wars

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Article originally created by Eric B

(Was not logged on when the post was originally made, though).

After seeing the Bridge Wars article (even fixed it up and added to it a bit), I felt the Roxanne Wars had to be included as well, because it was the biggest saga of all, and prefigured the Bridge war, and included some of its key players, such as Roxanne Shante. I have included the 12 "Roxanne" records I have personally heard (from the original "Roxanne, Roxanne" to "Roxanne, Roxanne, Pt. 2: Calling Her a Crab"). I remember much of the battle by memory, and have also researched some of the records online to find out as much as I could about them (like the exact artist names). I could not find any information on the "Little Ice" record (which I only heard a clip of once), or the name of the Doug E. Fresh produced performers of the "The Show" response "No Show" [Found: Symbolic Three-No Show b/w We're Treacherous 12" (reality); source: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474976750507 Eric B 02:49, 11 September 2007 (UTC)] . I have never heard stuff like "Roxanne's Dog", or any of the other alleged dozens of records. If any one has any information on all that other stuff, please add! These are the sites where some of the records are sold or at least mentioned, and you can even see pictures of the labels on some of them:

http://www.zeiger.franken.de/Labels/12/12_Warlock.html

http://www.hiphop-network.com/articles/mcarticles/raplist.asp

http://www.hiphopsite.com/?p=%2Fsearch%2F%3Fartistid%3D3A208576-3482-4F86-A5C2-3685C02052F5

http://members.aol.com/ProfQuater/Fun.html -includes many other silly 'rappin' records

http://www.goodmoverecords.com/en-gb/dept_58.html,

http://www.formic.de/shop/product/SIN-2007.html

http://www.cheebadesign.com/personal/mp3_09-14-04.txt this site offers upon request mp3s of "Roxanne's Parents", "Rappin Roxy", the intrumental "doctor j.r. kool - rap your own roxanne" from "the Complete Roxanne" album, and UTFO's "Roxanne's Backside, scratch it"; and they also have another one called potato chips - roxanne's real fat.mp3, which I have never heard of.

http://kyleewyote.tripod.com/raplist.html This site has a bunch of the records, including two more I am not familiar with: The East Coast Crew - The Final Word-No More Roxanne and Zelee - No More Roxanne. I have also never heard of any other Roxanne impersonator beside the two who were famous, though there are frequent mentions of all these other "Roxannes".

Eric B

Great article, Eric B.!

Though this isn't directly related to the "Roxanne Wars", it might also be fitting to mention that Roxanne Shante was involved in a beef with MC Lyte ("Steady F---king" is a pretty direct assault on Shante, including some scathing comments on her looks & career.)

---Buddy-Rey

Thanks! I didn't even know about that beef. I know JJ Fad got into it with her, and then her final thing going after Latifah and Monie. She was dissing everyone, while IMO, her responses to the people who dissed her first for no cause-- Sparky D and KRS, were weak.Eric B 01:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

What about the songs 'I don't wanna know' by Mario Winans feat. P.Diddy answered with'You should really know' by The Pirates feat. Shola Ama? Does that count as a Roxanne War style of thing? If so does anyone who knows, wanna add it on? Cheers --Djjazzyjeff69 20:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Correction!!!!

Adeladia Martinez and JoAnne are the same lady...it was Elise Jacks who recorded Full Force's official response to "Roxanne,Roxanne" the song of course being titled as "The Real Roxanne" and being billed as Roxanne w/UTFO...however Elise did record the response she did not become the Official Real Roxanne, Elise soon left The Full Force camp and was replaced by a young Puerto Rican lady named Adeladia JoAnne Martinez who in turn would become the official and final Real Roxanne, JoAnne's first recorded release was actually "Romeo pt 1" & "Romeo pt 2" which was released in 1985 alongside her DJ Hitman Howie Tee.

Thanks for that info! I know it changed somewhere, and had heard about a replacement early on, but coundn't find any info on it. It seems to have been forgotten. I remember when the Romeo singles first came out, she just didn't sound the same. More of a "harder" edge to her voice, where the original was softer. And it did seem the first one sounded more black then hispanic. (Wonder why she changed her name to "JoAnne", then). Do you have any sources?Eric B 01:15, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

New entry needed?

Towards the end of the article there is a large bidy of information that is interesting and noteworthy, but not really related to the 'Roxanne War'. Perhaps a 'Answer Record' entry needs to be created? Es-won 13:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Original research tag

I tagged this article because it's thin on sourcing, particularly reliable sources. I think the goal should be something along the lines of the LL Cool J vs. Kool Moe Dee feud article, which is well sourced. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 15:32, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Removed section from article - The Answer Record

I took this section out of the article because it really was off topic from the article. If it can be properly referenced perhaps it can be a stand alone article. In the alternative, perhaps the entire article could be about answer records, with Roxanne Roxanne being the most notable one. Again this would need to be sourced, for the time being I'm just throwing it out there for people to consider. Here's the removed section:

At the height of the Roxanne war the trend of answer records spread to other hip-hop hits; however, none produced nearly as many responses. The first three sagas (especially the second and third) bore a striking resemblance to the Roxanne war, as they involved women responding to men over supposed disrespect towards women:

Right toward the end of the Roxanne saga, Doug E. Fresh's "The Show" and its B-side "La Di Da Di" were big hits in the summer of 1985. They were answered by "The Showstoppers," which was the first record performed by Salt-N-Pepa, at the time using the name Super Nature. Just like with "The Real Roxanne," Doug. E. Fresh and/or his record company (Reality/Fantasy) followed with a self-answering record "No Show" performed by a group called Symbolic Three. Roxanne Shanté even got involved in this one, in what was probably an early live extended version of "Def Fresh Crew," where she and the debuting Biz Markie go into a spoof of "La Di Da Di" called "Wash Your Body." She ends this show telling Biz, "Let's dis Sparky D, now." The rhythm of "Def Fresh Crew" was itself made to resemble "La Di Da Di."

* The Boogie Boys' "Fly Girl," in which they outline what they like and don't like in girls, was answered by Pebblee Poo's "Fly Guy," in which she portrayed them as bummy and then outlines what she as a real fly girl is like, and what she likes in guys. The Boogie Boys' follow up, "You Ain't Fresh," may possibly have been an indirect counterresponse.

* LL Cool J's "Dear Yvette" criticized a girl whose reputation was apparently so bad "the reverend in the church said you was barred," was answered by "E-Vette's Revenge," which was performed by E-Vette Money and produced by Kydd Fresh, who had come from the group Dr. Rocx & Co. (see above). This was perhaps the first of a long string of records to dis LL Cool J.

* Kydd Fresh would then go on to offer his own answer to LL; "It's a Walkman," which poked fun at LL's "I Can't Live Without My Radio." Emcee Steady B also responded to this hit with "Take Your Radio," in which he claimed to rob LL of his prized possession because "you was a sucker."

* LL Cool J himself would soon afterward enter a long standing battle with emcee Kool Moe Dee.

* Hip-hop pioneer Kurtis Blow stepped in with a reference to both the Roxanne and Yvette battles in his 1986 track "I'm Chillin'," which addressed the increasing amount of disrespect towards women in hip-hop songs.

* Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince answered their own "Girls Ain't Nothing But Trouble" with "Guys Ain't Nothing But Trouble," performed by a woman named Ice Cream Tee, who would be signed by [[Jazzy Jay]’s and Rocky Bucano’s Strong City Records.

*TLC's 1999 song "No Scrubs," which put down good-for-nothing men, was answered by the hip-hop group Sporty Theivz' single "No Pigeons," which similarly attacked women as being fake and leeching off of men. But unlike the other male-female battles, it was the women who insulted the men first, with them responding.

*Eamon's 2003 song "Fuck It (I Don't Want You Back)" was answered in "F.U.R.B. (Fuck You Right Back)" by Frankee, who claimed to be Eamon's ex.

* In 2007, U.T.F.O. appeared on Nas' "Where Are They Now? [80s Remix]," in which Kangol Kid raps that his girlfriend of 20 years cheated on him: "she tried to take the house, the kids, the pots and pans ... nigga fuck Roxanne!"

Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 15:44, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Peace to Eric B for his contributions!

This is Sparky D producer Spyder D. I was there, obviously for all of this. One inaccuracy I would like to point out, is, UTFO was down with us, as we were all with Rush Productions, so there is no way they were unhappy with Sparky's response to Shante. In fact, on my myspace page comments, Kangol Kid thanked me for being a positive influence in his career. Select Records president Fred Munao might not have been happy because he turned our production down, and didn't want our release out before the one they were working on with Elease! That is the real story! I was there. I was the one to ask Sparky and Shante to put on the boxing gloves, and it was way before they did the Round 1 album. That photo was used in the promotion of their first live battle at Dorton Arena in North Carolina, in May of 1985, and marked the first time two female rappers ever headlined an arena and sold it out!Just wanted to set the record straight! Peace out- Spyder D for Spydo Music.Spydomusic (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

This is amazing @Spydomusic. It's been nearly 20 years since you posted this. I'm a professor teaching hip-hop at UAlbany upstate. If you're still editing or reading your messages, thank you! sheridanford (talk) 21:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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