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Multiuser calls cannot be encrypted?

there is a rumor that multiuser calls cannot be encrypted. https://www.reddit.com/r/riotim/comments/cht2me/are_calls_via_riot_end_to_end_encrypted/

I could not locate a good source for this Disoff (talk) 23:44, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Encrypted by default

@134.100.186.60:, afaik from the linked source, https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/6779, riot still seems unencrypted by default. However, tot feel free to provide a newer/better source! Ancecdotally, from playing around with riot on my device, the rooms i made were not encrypted by default.

I just found out i cannot ping an unregisterd user, taking talk to their talk pg! --Disoff (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2020 (UTC)Italic text[reply]

Private conversations (i.e. not public chatrooms) are encrypted by default since May 6th 2020: https://blog.riot.im/e2e-encryption-by-default-cross-signing-is-here/#professionally-designed-ui-ux-for-e2ee Marviiin (talk) 10:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No email or phone number required

Is it appropriate to find a source and mention this in this article? Many competing services, like whatsapp require one/both of email/phone. --Disoff (talk) 23:01, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A phone number or email is required depending on the serve--Hiveir (talk) 18:53, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Element or Element.io?

Is the client software Element or Element.io? The official site speaks of Element, this article speaks of Element.io. Likewise, the same could've been said about its former name: Riot or Riot.im.

It seems New Vector is still the company behind it, despite announcements. And Element is more than the client? The citations given are contradicting each other. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 14:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The client software is Element. The legal name of the company who builds Element is New Vector Ltd, but is now trading as Element (and will be renamed in future). Riot's name was originally Riot but then renamed as Riot.im to disambiguate from Riot Games. Element however is just called Element. Marviiin (talk) 10:01, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Special:Diff/967828661

I also removed the DMM reference, because it's a guest post, an opinion of someone. DeathMetalMods itself doesn't have an article on English and German Wikipedias. It is difficult to make any judgement other than the author (Lurz) to conclusively recommend Riot, with criticisms. Finally, the aspect of looking for federation is not specific to Riot (the article subject). 84.250.17.211 (talk) 15:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive use

PinkNews article: [2]. I didn't want to place undue WP:WEIGHT in the article, the mention of Riot is also passing. I looked at Discord (software)#Disruptive use as an example. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 18:02, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it could be mentioned on the main article that a right wing group has received some notability for using element--Hiveir (talk) 18:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Golem.de reception

While the following is probably no longer the case, I wrote this for the "Reception" section but didn't publish it in the article due to my feeling of its inclusion being undue weight. I couldn't find a good reference to say it to be something else today.

In 2017, German computer magazine Golem.de called Riot (and Matrix server) as "mature" and "feature-rich", while criticizing its key authentication at the time to be "anything but user-friendly" for many communicatees with multiple devices each. A co-founder of the project, Matthew Hodgson, assured the key verification process was a "placeholder" solution to work on.^[1]

84.250.17.211 (talk) 18:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Echtzeitkommunikation ausprobiert: Willkommen in der Matrix". Golem.de (in German). Retrieved 2018-11-04.

Requested move 15 July 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: page moved. (non-admin closure) Dexxor (talk) 10:40, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Element.io → Element (software) – I believe "Element" to be the correct name. Formerly, this article was Riot.im. @Koavf moved it to Element.io today following the old article name, although all prior references in the article also called the software as "Riot" (not as Riot.im) – I've fixed this in the article body, to match the citations referenced. Likewise, what little primary sources and the official website say, they say "Element" (not "Element.io"). The proposed target's naming convention is similar to Discord (software). As an unregistered user, I'm unable to perform this move myself. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 18:46, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). —Nnadigoodluck🇳🇬 21:22, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support, or Element (instant messaging client). Pages in Category:Free instant messaging clients tend to use "(software)" or "(instant messaging client)". The latter may be more clear. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support The suffix .io suggests that Element is a web app but there are standalone desktop and mobile clients as well. It should be noted though that per WP:NATURALDIS titles that do not require parentheses are preferred. I do not like "(instant messaging client)" because it is much longer than "(software)". —Dexxor (talk) 22:21, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:25, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support However, set up a WP:R from this page to the new Element (software) Scaledish! Talkish? Statish. 16:05, 17 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Robin Townsend (talk) 17:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Anton.bersh (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support marviiin. The product is called Element, not Element.io. The only reason why Riot was renamed Riot.im was as a way to try to distinguish it from Riot Games, whereas Element is simply just 'Element'. Therefore "Element (software)" would be the right name, similar to "Discord (software)". (Source: I'm the project lead for Element/Riot) Marviiin (talk) 09:57, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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New Vector Limited location

New Vector Limited is located in UK and france - https://element.io/careers and https://matrix.org/legal/terms-and-conditions --Hiveir (talk) 18:55, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

suggestion: pls merge Element (software) and Matrix (protocol)

I would like to suggest to merge Element (software) and Matrix (protocol). Yes, in theory software and protocol are separate issues, but anyway: these two articles are too close, but not quite the same, but for deliberate reasons, and it would be nice to keep the details in just one place. XYZ2023 (talk) 08:43, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add information about the funding & acquisitions

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Element raised some capital through Series A and Series B funding.

Element acquired Gitter in 2023.^[3]

Thib element (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not Done. Material on funding is considered to be non-encyclopaedic and promotional. Axad12 (talk) 13:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ New Vector scores $8.5M to plug more users into its open, decentralized messaging Matrix
^ Automattic pumps $4.6M into New Vector to help grow Matrix, an open, decentralized comms ecosystem
^ ^a ^b Element, a messaging app built on the decentralized Matrix protocol, raises $30M
^ ^a ^b Cite error: The named reference androidpolice was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
^ [1]

Stance against the Online Safety Bill and Chat Control

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Thib element (talk) 14:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not Done. Wikipedia is not a soapbox for companies to proclaim their policy positions. Axad12 (talk) 13:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

[1] "Echtzeitkommunikation ausprobiert: Willkommen in der Matrix". Golem.de (in German). Retrieved 2018-11-04.

[2] New Vector scores $8.5M to plug more users into its open, decentralized messaging Matrix

[3] Automattic pumps $4.6M into New Vector to help grow Matrix, an open, decentralized comms ecosystem

[techcrunch-30m-gitter-4] Element, a messaging app built on the decentralized Matrix protocol, raises $30M

[androidpolice-5] Cite error: The named reference androidpolice was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

[6] [1]

[7] UK admits 'spy clause' can't be used for scanning encrypted chat – it's not 'feasible'

[8] Element users are asking for protection against government encryption busting

[9] WhatsApp and other messaging apps oppose 'surveillance'

[10] Tech Firms Warn Against EU Chat Control

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