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Protocols

I am removing "In 2005, it was reported that the Palestinian Authority was referring to the Protocols in a textbook for 10th grade students. After media exposure, the PA issued a revised edition of the textbook that does not include references to the Protocols." sourced to "Analysis and Evaluation of the New Palestinian Curriculum; Reviewing Palestinian Textbooks and Tolerance Education Program Grades 5 & 10 by Israel/Palestine Center for Research and Information (IPCRI) Submitted to: The Public Affairs Office US Consulate General Jerusalem, July 2006".
Reason: The complete mention of the Protocols in the source is this (p17): "NOTE: The Belgian Consulate affirms that the text about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion has been removed from the textbooks." This suggests that there is a story here, but what is it? There is no mention of media exposure in the source. As far as I can tell, the previous two ICPRI reports on the Palestinian Curriculum (2003 and 2004) don't mention the Protocols at all. Besides that, there is nothing inherently antisemitic about mentioning the Protocols (for sure Israeli textbooks also mention them); we can't just assume the mention was a promotion of the Protocols without a reliable source. Personally I would need a quote from an independent source.
In addition to this cherry-picked problem, if we were to present this source in a balanced fashion we would quote from the executive summary that "there are no references that call for acts of terrorism against Israel or incite hatred towards Jews or Judaism." We would also quote some of the sources about anti-Arab stereotypes in Israeli textbooks. Zero^talk 02:16, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Arthur Ruppin?

I am surprised that Arthur Ruppin isn't mentioned: Ruppin considered assimilation as the worst threat to the existence of Jews as people, and argued for a concentration of Jews in a common area, to be realized by the colonisation of Palestine(...)Ruppin accepted the idea of a division of humankind into three important races of humans, the "white", "yellow" and "black", and considered Jews to be part of the "white" race (page 213/214), and within this "race", which Ruppin divides in "Xantrochroe" (light colored) and "Melanochroe" (dark colored), to be part of the latter, actually mixture from the Arab and North African peoples and other West and South Asian peoples.

Ruppin believed that realization of Zionism required "racial purity" of Jews, and was inspired by works of anti-semitic thinkers,including some Nazis.[2] Ruppin personally met Hans F. K. Günther, one of the most influention racist thinkers who greatly influenced Nazism[3]

Ruppin believed in numerous "Jewish types," performed skull measurements, and believed Ashkenazi Jews were made of various racial subclasses, according to nasal structure[4]. He distinguished between "Racial Jews" and "Jewish types", and believed Ashkenazi Jews to be superior to Yemeni Jews. His concepts included dividing Jews into "white, black and yellow" metaracial categories[5]

Ruppin wrote that Jewish race should be "purified", he also stated that "only the racially pure come to the land.” Afer becoming head of the Palestine Office of the Zionist Executive (later the Jewish Agency for Israel), he aruged against immigration of Ethiopian Jews due to their lack of "blood connection" and arguing that Yemenite Jews should be limited for menial labor[6] Due to events of Holocaust, historiography in Israel usually played down or ignored altogether this aspect of Ruppin's life[7]'' It seems to me that he is important enough to be mentioned in the background. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 13:16, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"in" the Palestinian Territories

The Mufti's "kill the jews.." statement was made in a radio address broadcast in Arabic from Berlin, does that count as being racism IN the Palestinian territories? My initial thought is that it strictly does not.Selfstudier (talk) 11:41, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Quite right. I think it was deleted once before on those grounds too. Actually it isn't clear tha anything Husseini did in Europe is relevant. Zero^talk 12:28, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, not quite. Those broadcasts were directed at the Middle East, and, given Husayni's whilom status, could be construed as incitement for Palestinians. On the other hand, the topic is Palestinian territories, a post-1967 geopolitical reality post-dating statements of this kind by some decades, so the link is tenuous. Borderline, unless one can come up with some post 67 citation by a PT figure using it, which is not perhaps to be ruled out. So before re-introducing it, that qualification would be required.Nishidani (talk) 12:35, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bullshist

This’s the most bullshit article I’ve ever read in Wikipedia. Moudinho1996 (talk) 16:33, 21 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bias

A review of Israel's country report conducted by the Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination stated "The status of the settlements was clearly inconsistent with Article 3 of the Convention, which, as noted in the Committee's General Recommendation XIX, prohibited all forms of racial segregation in all countries. There is a consensus among publicists that the prohibition of racial discrimination, irrespective of territories, is an imperative norm of international law."[48]

This has been largely disputed, namely by the ADL, as Israel says these are two different countries. Its also worth noting the Palestinian Authority will explicitly refuse Jews the ability to buy land in the state of Palestine (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/1997/05/selling-land-to-jews.html)

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Please change Sheik Yunis al-Astal to Sheik Yunus Al Astal (with the internal link).

AndyBloch (talk) 05:09, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Cannolis (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]