Talk:Pruning

"overly-pruned urban tree"

Is the "overly-pruned urban tree" picture serious? It kind of looks like it was put there as a joke, the tree was pruned to the point of being just the trunk, with no branching or leaves! Surely there are better pictures that can be used... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.9.9.134 (talk) 20:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Merge proposal

• Pruning fruit trees is not a proper article name (it should be fruit trees pruning)
• Several techniques and basic concepts are common to most forms of pruning.
• There is no need for an article specifically about fruit trees pruning when pruning can handle a merge just fine.

Circeus 18:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed: Some information may need to go on to the fruit trees or fruit tree forms articles if it is too specific. - Shiftchange 21:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Ditto to Shiftchange's thoughts - MPF 08:42, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree, but request a delay... there are several good wikibooks about gardening techniques, and this would transfer nicely (will try to do so over the weekend). SB Johnny 10:47, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Agree. Pruning is a subject for Wikipedia. A how-to article is not what this encyclopedia article aims at. --Wetman 09:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Disagree with merge, although name change is appropriate. Actually it would be even better with fruit trees pruning and training. Fruit tree pruning is a specialized craft that should have its own article (and this one is woefully inadequate). Most people who are not in the trade have little concept of the importance or of the techniques of building good leaders and scaffolds on young fruit trees. One of these days, when I get some spare time to take some good photos, I'd like to rewrite it to bring it up to modern standards. Pollinator 03:46, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Wouldn't this be making it into a how-to article? Seems to me that it would be, and so would be more appropriate for wikibooks (perhaps as a chapter on pomiculture in general). SB Johnny 13:13, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Oppose per Pollinator Reo ^ON | +++ 13:28, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Disagree Wikipedia has articles on topiary and bonsai which involve specialized uses of pruning, are those also going to get merged. I could see perhaps upmergeing the atricle into a fruit tree cultivation article, but not into this article. Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Oppose fruit tree pruning is a different art then pruning a normal tree. --Dan027 10:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Another merge proposal

I would like to merge the lopping article into this one, any objections? -killing sparrows 17:33, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd need a few days to think this one over. "Lopping" is a very common word in Australia, and among some USA people. Australia may even use that word in their phone book like we use "Tree Service" in our Yellow Pages here.

What came to mind, was Topiary, Bonsai and Espalier, all having their own articles. If photos are omitted, there's not much to those pages at all. But they each have their own space. All them could easily be merged under pruning. As far as "lopping", it has its good meaning and its bad meaning. Most in reference to pruning or topping trees. I may have a few thoughts extra after a couple of days. At the moment, it may even be worth putting in the Wiktionary (whatever its called).Mdvaden 00:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

External Link / Links change

It makes me curious, who selected the "Pareto on Pruning" External Link, because it may even contradict itself, like encouraging thinning plants, but also encouraging thickening plants. The website makes it very hard to trace the article back to the background of the writer. Are they a professional? Who are they?

My site has an article with 6 times more information, at M.D. Vaden: Arborist's page on Pruning. But I'm not in a position on this page to add my own link.

But at minimum, I'd recommend replacing the "Pareto" external link with the USDA Forest Service pages on pruning tips and diagrams. Much more thorough.Mdvaden 02:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

If you see any inaccuracies in this article or feel that you can contribute to improving it's content, feel free to modify it as you see fit. Excellent website by the way! Sjschen 17:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Technique section

There is a sentence about cuts being made where new growth will occur. How about a sentence mentioning what kind of new growth? Like offering trunk tissue as well as buds or stems, to help readers avoid stereotyping like visualizing watersprouts.Mdvaden 03:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Pruning compound

does anyone know what pruning compound is made of? I believe that it's just tar with a huge price mark-up, but some people i've talked to have said that if you use tar to seal cuts that they won't heal and that it will kill the tree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.12.127 (talk) 15:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

2nd Picture down is incorrect, has an arrow pointing at the BBR and calling it a collar. There's 3 types of branch unions each with their own specific cuts.. I will replace that pic and put pics up of the three specific cuts pertaining to branch unions on trees.--Eric Frei (talk) 04:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Opening Paragraphs

2nd paragraph reads: Proponents of pruning, both gardeners and orchardists, often argue that it improves the health of the plant and makes sturdier structure, often referred to as the scaffold; opponents believe that pruning harms plants' "natural" forms.

As if there's only those two proponents? No need to mention occupations. Also the scaffold part, no need to mention it, only confuses people and there's no mention of the wounding process which may lead infection.

I think the sentence would read better like this.

Proponents of pruning often argue that it improves the health of the plant and makes sturdier structure, opponents believe that pruning harms plants' "natural" forms and leads to wounding which may become infected.--Eric Frei (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

There's a picture showing a guy pruning (supposedly). What a terrible picture, it shows a violation of pruning standards using spurs, only one attachment point (not flip lined in) and no PPE. This pic needs to be deleted. Link to picture (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/Tree_pruning.jpg) Eric Frei (talk) 12:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC) I removed the pic Eric Frei (talk) 12:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

No HowTo

I made several edits to the intro, which might bear further edits still. What shall we do to resolve the WP:NOTTEXTBOOK (no how-to) tag? See also There's a lot of useful information here. I don't think indiscriminate deletion is the answer, but I also don't want to hammer on it if its headed for wikibooks, where it probably (largely) belongs. Thoughts?Duff (talk) 06:53, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Seeing no objections thus far, I plan to sharply excise the how-to-ishness, shortly. Duff (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Exported how-to, to v:Arboriculture/Pruning. You may adjust it for Wikipedia's purposes now. - Sidelight12 ^Talk 12:16, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Lead Section

I gave it some love, but I don't like those last 2 paragraphs in the intro & not sure what to do with them. Ideas?Duff (talk) 07:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I gave it a little more. The lead photo is of shearing, not pruning. Need a better and more definitive photo, perhaps of a hand, holding hand pruners, poised to make a proper pruning cut on a smallish branch? Thoughts? Duff (talk) 20:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Excessive pruning image

I have just removed this image: thumb|right|an overly-pruned urban tree in Germany, I guess it was not that helpful for a reader, you can barely see the tree (which is the point of the image, but nevertheless without clicking on the image itself you can't recognize a thing). --Helios 14:14, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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Made several edits to lede

Here they are summarized, I'm happy to discuss if anyone disagrees.

Remove "Some try to remember the categories as "the 4 D's": the last general category being "deranged"" from lede - irrelevant, anecdotal and not lede-worthy.

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This natural shedding is called abcission.

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This natural shedding of branches is called cladoptosis

Remove "It is important when pruning that the tree's limbs are kept intact, as this is what helps the tree stay upright." - a factually incorrect and self-contradicting sentence with an awful source. Tree pruning inherently involves damaging limbs with a purpose.

Remove "Hedges, by design, are usually (but not exclusively) maintained by hedge trimming, rather than by pruning." - not only incorrect, but irrelevant to the lede.

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In nature, meteorological conditions such as wind, ice and snow can cause plants to self-prune.

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Woody plants may undergo a process referred to as "self-pruning", where they will drop twigs or branches which are no longer producing more energy than they require. It is theorized that this process can also occur in response to lack of water, in order to reduce the surface area where water can be lost."

- I think I need to revisit this statement to include ice and salt pruning, although neither is as widely documented as cladoptosis. Source Change

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