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No, Vance has not endorsed "reactionaries" or "neo-reactionaries"

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I've read the article that one or two editors have used to shore up the idea that Vance is a reactionary. But he never clearly says so. Is there some other news piece where he identifies as such? If not, it should be pulled back. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:21, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at this closer, this article has some serious distortions. The section heading on this topic suggest that he identifies with a movement he doesn't identify with. Also, someone has attributed the following quote to him — "I think Curtis Yarvin’s monarchy ideas are bonkers, but you know what? He’s absolutely on to something real with his concept of the Cathedral" but it is not Vance who has said that. There's a bit of cleaning up to do in this piece. Am suddenly very aware of the direction we're given in WP:BLPSTYLE "Do not label people with contentious labels, loaded language, or terms that lack precision, unless a person is commonly described that way in reliable sources." Before this subject is given any labels, we must ensure they have not been derived simply from the company the person kept at some point in the past; moreover, before the subject is given a label, I believe we would all need to be convinced that he has been "commonly described" as such, not once off in an opinion piece, by a critic, many years ago.MatthewDalhousie (talk) 02:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with User:MatthewDalhousie that as per WP:BLP, we cannot label Vance as neo-reactionary in the lead, as most WP:RS sources do not introduce his political position as such. RogerYg (talk) 09:33, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion on JD Vance TALK page also did not have consensus to include neo-reactionary. RogerYg (talk) 09:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point @RogerYg.
MatthewDalhousie (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@RogerYg Looks like another discerning editor has already removed the material with "contentious labels" which is good. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 10:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

possible overreliance on quotations from Vance in some sections

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Some of the sections in the article quote extensively from Vance himself (e.g., this one). Although the quotations are mostly taken from secondary sources, the quotes themselves are primary sources. The Talk page for WP:PRIMARY is currently discussing the policy statement that an editor should "not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them" (emphasis added). We seem to be in that territory here. WP:BLPPRIMARY also says to be cautious in using primary sources. Is the article text sometimes relying too much on quotes from Vance? Or is that appropriate, given that the article is about his political positions and secondary sources think direct quotations are a good way to capture some of them? FactOrOpinion (talk) 19:37, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2024

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The statement is made that is made that J.D. Vance is against Same-sex marriage. However, when following the citation I cannot find he where he said he was against same-sex marriage, but rather a statement that said there were bigger problems than a bill to codify marriage protections. Actual statement saying he is against same-sex marriage is not present. New citation or edit to the claim is needed. 204.93.117.253 (talk) 15:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: appropriately cited, see WP:SECONDARY. Or check out the Political positions of JD Vance#LGBT issues and gender roles section Cannolis (talk) 01:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]