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Accessing the Financial Review

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Hi, copy editor here. I was just editing the article for grammar and I noticed that the article heavily relies on an article from the Financial Review by Tim Treadgold. The issue is the archive doesn't give access to the full page. Does anyone have access to the article that could help with this? WordyTalks (talk) 13:36, October 15th, 2024 (UTC)

just what I feared, a potential copyvio issue... No I dont have access... JarrahTree 13:42, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will attempt to seek other sources and clean up the page when I can. Loomhigh (talk) 06:48, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Loomhigh: No problem here. I'm just going to provide an overview of my review of the sources and provide critiques of them on your talk page. Wordy (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewing Nigel Satterley Wikipedia Sources

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@Loomhigh: I'm including a review of your sources on your talk page so it doesn't clutter up the talk page. I'm also going to include the citations as a reference list to help make it easier for you to refer to here.

  1. The about page of Satterley Property Group includes an advertisement as "Australia's largest and most trusted private residential land developer".[1] It includes in its news section the best places to invest in Perth, Melbourne and Brisbane but does not include a portion on that page that it "develops residential estates in Western Australia and Victoria". It also includes a list of communities it develops but those aren't necessarily known to be associated with Western Australia and Victoria so I would recommend finding a section in their website specifying their development tract or a history of their development by another news agency.
  2. We've already discussed the current issues surrounding your second citation. If you can get access to that information, it would be extremely helpful.[2]
  3. Can you explain more of your third source and where you got it from? Do you perhaps have a link that would be more clear in what you're drawing from? It's just a citation but doesn't have any specifics in where you're getting.[3]
  4. No critiques on citations 4-6. I'd have to review the specific copy editing style before I can provide a critique.[4][4][5][6]
  5. Number 7 seems fine so far. I'd have to independently review it.[7]
  6. Same for Number 8.[8]
  7. This one has already been critiqued from earlier.[9]
  8. No critique on this source so far.[10]
  9. No current critiques surrounding this.[11]
  10. I'm adding the archive link for this one so don't worry about it.[12]
  11. No current critiques surrounding these citations.[13][14]

This is all my critiques surrounding current citations at the moment. In addition, you repeatedly cite the same citation at different points. For example, you refer to the Financial Review citation repeatedly throughout the page. My recommendation in those types of citations. While that's fine, I would recommend when possible, consolidating the sections where you make use of that citation so you can keep it more clean and linear in citations.

I also plan on going back through the page once more to streamline the citations later.

  1. ^ "About". Satterley Property Group. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
  2. ^ "THE MAN WHO'S SEELING PERTH". Australian Financial Review. 1993-03-26. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
  3. ^ Item: PT676/1, 5015859-1 Nigel Frank Satterly, National Service Registration
  4. ^ a b Legislative Assembly, 21 June 1995: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Hansard/hansard1870to1995.nsf/83cc4ce93b5d4e0b48257b33001cfef6/ECF418F5A712C3B248257B4400164E6A/$File/19950621_Assembly.pdf
  5. ^ Legislative Assembly, 25 March 1997: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/f3f374a52da3a5b048256ac3001de95f/4a70d1980e7e9002482565eb0002e36e/$FILE/A0325005.PDF
  6. ^ Legislative Assembly, 18 June 1997: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hansard1870to1995.nsf/83cc4ce93b5d4e0b48257b33001cfef6/7E3E83E3A426652048258435001EEBFC/$File/19970618_Assembly.pdf
  7. ^ Legislative Assembly, 20 November 1997: https://parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hansard1870to1995.nsf/83cc4ce93b5d4e0b48257b33001cfef6/B9D7F171701F868748258435001EECDB/$File/19971120_Assembly.pdf
  8. ^ Legislative Assembly, 25 June 1998: https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/Hansard/hansard1870to1995.nsf/83cc4ce93b5d4e0b48257b33001cfef6/255FD9A250D061F848258435001EF941/$File/19980625_Assembly.pdf
  9. ^ "Commonwealth of Australia. Senate Select Committee on Housing Affordability in Australia". www.aph.gov.au. 2008-04-08.
  10. ^ "Buswell rejects ex's 'humping' claims - 9News". www.9news.com.au. 2012-12-10. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
  11. ^ "Commonwealth of Australia. Senate, Environment and Communications Legislation Committee". www.aph.gov.au. 2011-05-24. p. 150.
  12. ^ Benner, Michael (6 June 2022). "'The clan is still in full control':Why the Liberals lost WA". Financial Review. Archived from the original on 28 March 2023.
  13. ^ "McGowan's $1000 wine tasting dinner with top developer". PerthNow. 2022-08-17. Retrieved 2024-10-14.
  14. ^ "Will Mark McGowan's latest bold move leave a positive legacy, or be seen as a power trip?". ABC News. 2023-02-25. Retrieved 2024-10-14.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by WordyTalks (talk • contribs) 00:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WordyTalks:, @Loomhigh223555:, FYI I have moved the above section from User talk:Loomhigh--Jac16888 Talk 15:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thanks for this, this is going to make it much easier to keep track of what needs to be changed.For source 2, I have access to it personally but am not sure how I can cite the information of paywalled content, especially since most archives don't seem to fix this case.
I think I got source 3 from the state library last year. That or the national archives. I might have taken pictures of it but otherwise would need to check again when I am next in Perth. the sources for the legislative assembly I am not sure how to format, hopefully providing a link to the hansard on the day the relevant comment was made is enough.
I think when I have the time I will try and find second sources, especially for information referenced in 2. Loomhigh (talk) 02:44, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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