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This isnt a genre of music, and doesn't deserve an encyclopedic entry. Theres old school, golden age, and modern era. This is just a quick term people use on the street to say its not old school, or its not old school or golden age.--Urthogie 16:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In truth "golden age" isn't much more than that, either. 86.44.6.14 (talk) 21:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article is horribly written... and clean up all the "your mom" stuff please —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.171.89 (talk) 12:41, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrongly titled

There is an actual "new school" in hip hop dating back to 1983 , so this article is misinforming people. I intend to re-write it completely. 86.44.6.14 (talk) 19:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Old article is here. It should really be called Popular hip hop 1999–2007 or some such. 86.44.6.14 (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

The long paragraph, "Bambaataa's first two records" has only one reference, and it is a Wikilink. The book needs page numbers included as references.--andreasegde (talk) 20:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, andreasegdge. What do you mean when you say the reference is a wikilink? The reference is the book. I've wikilinked the author's name and the publishing imprint just because i like to do that. The book is indeed the reference for the entire paragraph. Can you clarify? 86.44.18.185 (talk) 21:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because reference [1] is only a Wikilink to a two stub articles about the author, and his publisher. I realise that the ISBN number is in the article, but for this article to pass you have to go further than that. This is because anyone could reference a book ISBN, and then write anything they wanted. This is not suggesting that you did that, of course, but page numbers are needed in Notes/References. If you have the book, it is easy to do. If you don't have the book, then how do you know exactly what was written? It helps the reviewer of the article in the end. :)--andreasegde (talk) 12:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, reference [1] is the book. I don't understand what the problem is with wikilinking the author and the imprint. If you are saying that the book is not enough, and pagenumbers are needed, that's fine, but stop saying the reference is a wikilink, when it's not, it's a book! :D

I'm not sure about your picture moves. The Run-DMC and Flash pictures are not cosmetic, they were to illustrate the gulf in how these artists presented themselves. This is why they appeared together, beside the first mention of this difference in presentation. Also I don't see a great improvement in having Malcolm X appear alongside the paragraph on Eric B. and Rakim, having cut my paragraph on BDP into two, one long paragraph with no refs, and one stubby and illogical one with two? Before it was at least logically connected to the BDP paragraph. Perhaps the article is more readable now rather than having blocks of text, I don't know. I suppose I will defer to your judgement. 86.44.18.185 (talk) 15:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You will see what I mean about the references when it is reviewed - wait until then... I moved the photos to where the people were first mentioned. You obviously don't need any help, so I'll leave you to it. Bye.--andreasegde (talk) 17:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

lol no i need lots of help! And I am going to restructure the references with page numbers. Thanks for your attention, please don't hesitate if you can improve the article further. 86.44.18.185 (talk) 17:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

recent edits

The new school hip hop article properly shows that Dr. Dre cannot strictly be considered old school hip hop, and already makes the point that "new school" has become synonymous with "contemporary" for many fans. Therefore the section that has been added headed Modern New-School Artists is superfluous and confusing. If editors want to talk about contemporary hip hop, there is an old version of this article linked in the section Wrongly Titled, which they can make into a new article if they should so wish. We can then link to it from here. Good? Not good? 86.44.23.66 (talk) 19:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC).[reply]

These editors delete every addition I make to any article. I don't know what problem they have with me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MC Prank (talk • contribs) 04:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that :( It's just that this article is about a specific continuity of popular new york hip hop that in effect dies out in the mid-nineties as independent NY labels stop dealing in hip hop, gangsta rap leads to g-funk and NY responds with hardcore etc. etc. It's not really about current hip hop. Hip hop from the late nineties to today probably deserves its own article. 86.44.26.69 (talk) 19:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good article?

I noticed this article was once a good article nominee but was withdrawn. I briefly read the article I would highly encourage renominating it. I'll nominate it if necessary but I'd prefer to have the main author's (86.44.XX.XX) permission. Thoughts? ~ Eóin (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'd greatly appreciate and respond to any form of peer review. 86.44.27.243 (talk) 00:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New school hip hop/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hello. I'll be performing the GA review for this article. Here are some suggestions for improvement:

Try to avoid using the word "would" before a verb, except in special circumstances. It makes the text too passive. Instead, remove would and make the verb past tense. For example: "By 1986 their releases would begin to establish the hip hop album as a fixture of the mainstream." --> "By 1986 their releases began to establish the hip hop album as a fixture of the mainstream."
This is mandatory by any means, but can there be a picture in the top-right corner of the article? Most users are used to seeing an infobox/picture in that corner anyway, and it kind of stands out when there isn't something there. Maybe a free-use image of one of the performers mentioned in the article?
didn't --> did not - avoid contractions in the text unless it is part of a quote
"Kool Moe Dee's infamous verbal personal attacks" - remove infamous per words to avoid at WP:PEACOCK
"and perhaps her greatest record, "Have a Nice Day" (1987)." - too point of view
Several of the references in the endnotes need to be combined. For example: 19 and 20; 43 and 44
Web citations need to include an access date.

That's it. The article will be on hold for seven days to allow for improvements. Nikki311 23:05, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

86.44.16.82 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) has been blocked for one week for trolling and WP:POINT violations. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 00:33, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Normal service has been resumed. Thanks so much, Nikki, I'll be acting on those suggestions within a couple of days at most. 86.44.16.82 (talk) 23:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. I'm glad to see everything was worked out. Nikki311 03:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Eóin has acted almost all of these suggestions, except one: as i said to him elsewhere, "i am kiiiind of wedded to the 'perhaps her greatest record', it's supported by sources, breaks up and helps make flow a chronological list-sentence, and is good info." The source I am adding for this (Shapiro) unequivocally calls it "her greatest record", is that enough to support us saying perhaps her greatest record? I don't mind if we have to lose it. I'm loathe to qualify it or quote and attribute it as it will break up the sentence, which i think works now.

I've thought about the image or template options myself in the past. I know the image I would like to have there: http://homepage.eircom.net/~spinningcat/adidas1.jpg . I'm sure I have read that this is the first appearance of the iconic Run-DMC logo, and I think I have read that that logo is the first rap group logo (as opposed to one-off fonts for record covers). But I guess I'd have to track down those sources before its use could be justified as a non-free image. Although it is the first single from Raising Hell, the album that made hip hop mainstream ... ? 86.44.16.82 (talk) 09:11, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think keeping "her greatest record" is okay now that it is sourced with a couple of people saying it. Let me know when you are ready for me to do a final read-through. Nikki311 18:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, have at it! :) I'm more interested in acting on your suggestions and improving the article than I am in the GA tag per se, in any case. :) 86.44.21.238 (talk) 23:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good attitude to have. Everything looks good enough to me, so I've passed the article. Nikki311 22:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

non-free image use

A few editors now have individually looked at the image use on this article as of this date's version (i.e. [1]), usually as a result of image use elsewhere. Since no discussion made it to this talk page, i thought a note might be useful. User:Bkell [2], User:Howcheng [3], User:Ricky81682 [4] and User:CBM [5] have all stumbled upon this page while working in the area of non-free image use, and all have let the image use stand to date. My reading of this is that a minimum of reading is required if one wants to understand this image use: the first two paragraphs of the lead, and the image rationales. If concerns remain, here is now the place to bring 'em. :) 86.44.24.200 (talk) 04:34, 26 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Run DMC logo

See Talk:New_school_hip_hop#GA_Review. So far all i've been able to find on this is a self-published blog and a news story that says "probably". In a consumerist age, this is an important, simple-to-ascertain fact. Why is coverage of rap so sucky? *weeps* 86.44.22.206 (talk) 05:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New School

New School is the MODERN era!1983 is definitely NOT new school.2000-now is new school.166.82.187.246 (talk) 01:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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