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The article says that it is also spelled Marshall, but isn't that a mis-spelling? A Marshall is something different - an official in charge of ushering or regulating crowds etc.

It is a misspelling in British English, but apparently not in American English, where it is an acceptable alternative (according to the OED). In British English, "Marshall" is a name only and all other uses are spelt "marshal". -- Necrothesp 01:42, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page is lacking a link to "marshal" as used in (Windows only?) network programming, where it means to convert to/from a network representation of an object. Is there a Wikipedia page for the programming technique? I could not find such but will add the link if you can find it. Dkevanko (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it seems there are two main meanings of "marshal": (1) helper, and (2) commander, but the article confuses the two.

Comment According to Merriam-Webster's online American dictionary Marshall with two "L"s is an acceptable alternative to Marshal with one "L". Therefore the introduction is incorrect and I will remove the "incorrect spelling part". --Jayzel 17:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brits seem to claim that "marshall" is an American usage and Americans seem to claim that "marshall" is a British usage. What appears to be the case is that "marshall" is a common misspelling for both. Dictionaries have shifted to being a descriptive tool rather than a prescriptive tool, so just because "marshall" may show up (rarely) as an alternate use in a dictionary does not mean it is a correct alternate use. The correct form, except for proper names, is with one 'l' except when an ending is added -- in that case, we get UK vs. USA variants with the ending sometimes added without doubling the 'l' and sometimes with doubling the 'l'. This ought to be reflected in the article rather than implying an incorrect alternate form is correct. Cygnature (talk) 14:50, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think the most telling evidence against marshall being the American form is the fact that it's called the United States Marshals Service, not Marshalls Service. 99.225.188.69 (talk) 00:42, 17 November 2017 (UTC)""[reply]

Whichever side of the Atlantic you're on, "Marshal" is a rank or office or means someone gathering a group (usually military) and 'Marshall' is a proper name. Period. Full stop. Endit. Shellus Maximus 23:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

INDEED! I have added a tag at the beginning of the article to differentiate the two. The surname with the double l isn't even related to the rank. SBHarris 23:39, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

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Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 16:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As a "Marshal" for 30 plus years, I can say no law enforecment agengy that I have ever heard of spells it with two L's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.22.44.210 (talk) 00:02, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

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I think most of the intro paragraph (starting with "The word is an ancient loan word from...") should be moved into its own section ("Etymology") leaving room in the intro paragraph for modern uses of the term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.92.85.197 (talk) 15:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't help but notice the similarity between the OE 'scealc' meaning soldier/servant (Germanic '*skalkaz') and the old Irish 'sgaileog' meaning drudge or farmservant from which we get the perjoritive modern slang word scallie as used in certain parts of England. Could these be cognates with a common root in PIE? Any etymologists out there have any info? (I see the online etymology dictionary lists the Dutch word 'schalk' as meaning a rogue)1812ahill (talk) 11:26, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. It is excessive for the intro paragraph. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Dkevanko (talk) 21:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

UK use

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Security staff such as doormen and security personnel employed by local councils are also sometimes called "Marshalls" in the UK. This can be seen in several tv documentaries such as Channel 4's "Bouncers" and "Night Cops" which appears on Pick TV --92.232.49.38 (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Marshals", surely? "Marshalls" would be a misspelling, sadly far too common these days. Charlie pearce (talk) 12:17, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article split

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IMHO this article needs to be split into three or four parts. A stub/disambiguation page with links and a small blurb as follows: Marshal (Military rank), Marshal (Civil use), and then Marshal (law enforcement).--Degen Earthfast (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lengthwise it's just fine, and having the military and civil uses in one place makes a lot of sense to a reader (which is what we are here for). What it could use is some proper referencing. Shem (talk) 14:41, 15 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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مشرقيوال د سرکاڼو ولسوالي مشر او د ننګرهار امني قومنداني رسنيز دفتر کي يى وظيفه ترسره کوله 217.117.38.246 (talk) 14:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Six Star?

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In the section 'Marshal ranks by country' it states that both Marshal of France and Marshal of the Empire were six-star ranks, despite the fact that the modern rank of Marshal of France is only a five-star rank. it is superior to the four-star rank of Army general and has the NATO code OF-10, equivalent to a British Field Marshal, or American General of the Army.

As for the Rank Marshal of the Empire, it was senior to the rank of Général de division, which was equivalent to a Major General. However, Marshals were used quite flexibly, and were sometimes put in command of whole armies, or just a single corps. However, never were they given more command authority than a modern five-star general officer. Eustathius (talk) 17:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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