Talk:Lucia of Segni

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:35, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that Princess Lucia was so unpopular ruling in the name of her teenage son Bohemond that he asked the pope to come of age early?
  Source: "Bohemond VI was soon conscious that his mother was unpopular, and, with Louis's approval, obtained permission from the pope to come of age a few months before the legal date" ([1])

• Reviewed: Symphyotrichum lateriflorum

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Self-nominated at 13:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

Observations

• Citations are accurate , no copyvio detected.

Suggestions

• I am not fond of single-source articles; however, in this case, the used source is reliable.
• Link Tripoli in the first mention of the city in the article (not the county).
• Add short description to article (Medieval princess or such).
• Replace 'feckless' with incompetent.
• Is the "David", the Greek Orthodox patriarch of Antioch, the same as Ignatius III David? Was he the patriarch of the Chalcedonian Greek Orthodox or the non-Chalcedonian Syriac Orthodox churches of Antioch? Please verify and if so wikilink. The name "David" doesn't figure here, however there's a "Simon" in the list in the 13th century (David is the successor of Symeon based on p.231 of the cited source.)
• "a few months early" --> "a few months earlier"?
• "Lucia assumed regency for her son but was a feckless..." --> "Lucia assumed regency for her son, but was a feckless..."
• Add url to source; ie: borrow from archive.org

Very informative and concise. A superb tiny article. el.ziade (talkallam) 08:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I realized last night before going to bed that the article was on the short side, but definitely did not expect it to be reviewed the very next day! Thanks, Elias Ziade. I have expanded the article, cited more sources, linked Tripoli, replaced "feckless" with "irresponsible" (though the cited source says "feckless"), and added the comma. "A few months early" should be accurate because he asked to be declared of age months before the birthday upon which he would have legally attained majority. The case of David is confusing me too. Ignatius III David was patriarch at about the same time, but became patriarch before Lucia even came to the East, and was not the Greek patriarch but Syriac. Runciman describes David as the Greek patriarch. I have asked why David is missing from our list and hopefully someone will have an answer. Confusingly, the lists of the Greek patriarchs differ significantly between English, French/Italian, and German Wikipedias, which name Euthymius II, David, and Theodosios V, respectively, as successor of Symeon II. I have no idea what to make of it. Surtsicna (talk) 10:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Good job, the article can now pass since it is long enough. I prefer not to delve into disputes whether David was canonical or considered an apostate; what matters here is the context and that it is cited from a reliable source. This is a matter to be resolved in the relevant articles. el.ziade (talkallam) 17:44, 14 July 2021 (UTC)