Talk:List of wars involving the United Kingdom

Suez 1956 inconclusive?

It is just simply inaccurate to categorize the outcome of this conflict as "inconclusive". Suez is the end of Britain as a Great Power. Within a decade the entire empire in Africa and Southeast Asia is no more. It is a political and strategic defeat of the first order. It illustrates how a tactical victory on the battlefield means nothing in the face of strategic defeat. Some sources: https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/why-was-the-suez-crisis-so-important https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/why-was-the-suez-crisis-so-important https://www.jstor.org/stable/23352191

A few problems with this Wikipedia article

(Edit: do any of you know how to flag this for deletion?) I have noticed some very weird things in this article, which I will list here. 1: Britain seems to be missing from the following wars: The Temne War, War of the Fourth Coalition, War of the Fifth Coalition, The Crimean War, The Sixth Xhosa War, And the Anglo Zulu War. 2: The 1951 Anglo Egyptian War section is entirely wrong. 3: Why are the Ulster Paramilitaries on the British side? They regularly clashed with eachother, I recommend adding a line seperating the two. 4: links to some countries are missing. 5: Why are the outcome sections for The Post Spanish Succession Caribbean Piracy and the Jacobite Rising of 1715 in Blue instead of Green? Didn't Britain win? 6: Why are the Jacobites in The War of The Quadruple Alliance listed as "Against the British Crown and Government only" Wasn't that the only thing the Jacobites were aiming for? 7: Why was Britain on the opposite side in the Ashanti-Fante War? Please swap the two sides around. 8: Why are the Insurgents in the Dhofar War listed as "Various Insurgents" When there were only 4 Insurgent Groups in the war? just list their abbreviated names. Same goes for The Sierra Leone Civil War, Just list the rebel groups. 9: The State of Swat is missing in the Ambela Campaign. 10: The Emirate of Ras Al-Khaimah is missing from the Persian Gulf Campaign of 1809. 11: Why is it Called the 4th Anglo Dutch War? Replace 4th with Fourth for a more proper title. 12: Why is the Mahdist Flag Missing in the Mahdist War Section? I would prefer if someone added it.Sam MK7 (talk) 10:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

It'd be better to make individual talk page posts for these rather than a slew of comments in one.

For the Ulster Paramilitaries function they fought to maintain the current status quo upheld by the British government and were provided direct support by that government, soldiers clash with allies frequently in wars this isn't unusual or uncommon and even can arrest soldiers from allied forces too. Galdrack (talk) 13:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I added The Troubles in Ulster (1920–1922) which was surprisingly missing but then it got removed with the argument that it was a colloary of the Irish war of Independence. This is partly true and I understood but I then added the IRA's 1922 Nothern offensive which took place after the war & before the civil war. I don't see why this should be removed as well? Eastfarthingan (talk) 15:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

It lacks an entry of it's own and isn't considered a war in any sourcing, conflict/=war and this is a case of OR to include it here.

This list is already a rather significant case of OR and POV given the context but to include every conflict is much more misleading as there's a significant lack of detail to the periods of conflict or those involved much less the "outcome", an offensive isn't considered a war as it's one part of a broader conflict which is why this offensive isn't considered a war itself.

Or should we list ever offensive from every war instead? How is the offensive considered a British victory when the conflict in the North continued for another 70 years after this event for example? Similar to the other conflicts leading to the Troubles which is regarded as a war by many reliable sources.

I can't see any justifiable reason for it to be listed here and there's no sourcing calling it a war to merit it's inclusion. Galdrack (talk) 15:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

"Why are the Jacobites in The War of The Quadruple Alliance listed as "Against the British Crown and Government only" " That theater of the war is covered in the Jacobite rising of 1719. The uprising was supported by Bourbon-dominated Spain as part of a wider plan to install Spanish-influenced governments in both the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of France by force of arms. The plan was a complete failure because the Jacobites were supposed to be reinforced by the Swedish Army in an invasion of England. Instead, the Swedish Empire was disintegrating following the death of the Charles XII and the Jacobites were left on their own. The Jacobites were rather easily defeated and the British forces retaliated for the uprising with the Capture of Vigo and Pontevedra. Dimadick (talk) 13:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Should smaller conflicts in World War I (Conflicts and Revolts with co-belligerents) be included?

Conflicts in question: Invasion of Darfur Senussi campaign Easter Rising Chilembwe uprising Adubi War Bussa rebellion Kelantan rebellion Noemvriana Operations in the Tochi Kuki Rebellion of 1917–1919 Muscat rebellion Somaliland campaign Operations against the Mahsuds (1917) Jungle Movement of Gilan Sam MK7 (talk) 04:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

They definitely should be listed. Most were uprisings and had little or nothing to do with greater war itself. The only difference being that the Central Powers would've supported in anyway possible for operational strategy measures, but that should certainly not detract it from not being incldued. Eastfarthingan (talk) 09:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, I would get to work adding them now, but because I'm in Australia and it's getting late I'll get to work adding them tomorrow, thanks for your feedback! Sam MK7 (talk) 11:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I will if this needs a consensus before going ahead with it. Any objections? Eastfarthingan (talk) 15:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah this does probably need more approval before going ahead with it. Sam MK7 (talk) 20:47, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Either we can wait for more people to give their opinion on this matter or we could just add them now Sam MK7 (talk) 01:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh also is it fine if I move the IRA Northern Offensive below the Great Iraqi Revolution and The 1922 Tax Burao Revolt? It took place after both of those conflicts. Sam MK7 (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

By all means.👍 Eastfarthingan (talk) 11:12, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like anyone else is commenting on this talk page. Do you agree that they should be added now or wait for further approval? Sam MK7 (talk) 03:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'll probably start adding them in a day or two. I'll search for others that can be added as well - I know at least one to input. Eastfarthingan (talk) 09:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Well alright then, I'll add some other conflicts to this list in the meantime. Sam MK7 (talk) 10:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Added the ones above however left a few out as they are directly linked to WWI. Eastfarthingan (talk) 15:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I will however add the Invasion of Darfur and the Chilembwe Uprising because a point could be made that while yes, They were tied to WWI, The Central Powers didn't send any troops to them, just like the rest included. (And also because they wouldn't be listed in the main WWI Section) However, if you disagree with their inclusion then I'll allow you to remove them. Sam MK7 (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Chilembwe Uprising has been added. I will add Darfur and Senussi campaign, however Inwoukdnt be surprised if they get removed due to their links with Central Powers. Eastfarthingan (talk) 14:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Not if they're related to the broader conflict directly, the Invasion of Darfur is explicitly considered part of WW1 in Wikipedia so it'd be OR to include it here as a separate conflict. The Invasion of Gallipoli isn't considered a separate conflict for the same reason.

If there's an RS or otherwise declaring it a war or separating it from the broader conflict then yea it makes sense but many of these are clearly listed as part of WW1 and including them here while also declaring the outcome Independent of the broader context of WW1 is OR and also not following NPOV as the lack of an official outcome means listing it as "British victory" or "British Loss" is unclear when there's no RS cited. Galdrack (talk) 16:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Should we somehow incorporate the Battle of Muddy Flat into this List?

The Battle of Muddy Flat took place during the Taiping Rebellion and saw the U.S., the Shanghai Volunteer Corps, and the Taiping Rebels against the Qing dynasty and their pirates allies.

Should we incorporate this Battle into the list? If so should we list it as a separate conflict or should we somehow incorporate it into the Taiping Rebellion section? Thanks. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 21:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

This one is an interesting case, As this took place before British involvement on the Qing side in the Taiping Rebellion in 1860, and also took place before the Second Opium War. If it were to be added, including it inside the Taiping section would be a bit confusing. Though I honestly wouldn't mind it's inclusion on this list. Sam MK7 (talk) 06:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes I thought it would be a bit confusing on the list as well. Though I think it is worth mentioning. I will wait till the new year before I update the article. I want to make sure other editors get the chance to comment, and they may not during these next few holidays. Thanks for the insight. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 08:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I think it should be included given that it's outside of the Second Opimum war. Eastfarthingan (talk) 11:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, but should we list it as a separate conflict during the Taping Rebellion? Or including it in the Taiping Rebellion section? Historyguy1138 (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)