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When talking about the actors and the show: past tense. When talking about the roles and stories: present tense. Am I getting this right? The page is not really consistent. I am seeing Gary and the owner of Melville's differ. If anyone knows the right way, please help.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:02, 29 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No mention of Diane's first episode fiance as a recurring character. He's in that episode, an episode in series 2 (Sumner's return) and Diane's final appearance at the end of series 5. He's also mentioned in at least one other episode (probably more) where Diane goes for a teaching assistant job. I don't think he appears in more than the three episodes I've listed but I could be wrong, anyone know of other episodes he's in or mentioned in?. TonyThomps (talk) 13:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers was remarkable for its near-perfect continuity. But it's never explained why Esther doesn't marry her wealthy suitor. There's no indication that the wedding won't occur. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 11:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The claim that Vera is an unseen character is not true. Her entire body although her face is partially obscured by a pie. But to insist that this means she is NOT seen is absurd. If I see a friend, but only from behind, it would be ludicrous for me to claim that I did not see him at all. seeing someone is not determined by having an unobstructed view of the person's face. By that standard, The Lone Ranger is also an "unseen" character. That's just crazy.
My edit to the page leaves intact the claim that she is only seen once and that her face is obscured in that case. But to call her "unseen" is false. 99.192.88.40 (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
She is only partially seen, and never speaks on camera, so she still comes under the unseen definition. It's not valid to compare her with masked characters, they are seen and speak, so please stop edit warring on the point. Can you identify someone without seeing their face? Then, she was not seen. It's not just my opinion, see here, here, here and here. Snappy (talk) 21:38, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your claim that she "comes under the unseen definition" is false. If you actually read the Unseen character page you will see that the definition given in the very first sentence is: "In fiction, an unseen character is a character that is never directly observed by the audience but is only described by other characters." That does not describe Vera at all. She IS directly observed by the audience and is NOT only described by other characters.
I have provided many references which prove she comes under the definition of unseen, so it is only your opinion and your original research that says she is not. Also wikipedia is not a reliable source. Snappy (talk) 21:51, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The term "unseen character", as references cited on the Unseen character page point out, is a term that is older than television and has a history in the theatre. That a few websites you found show people not knowing what it means (especially when anyone can view the Thanksgiving episode and see Vera for themselves) does not establish anything. 99.192.88.40 (talk) 21:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
