Talk:List of prime ministers of Pakistan

Numbering

Is there any meaning to the numbering system? Right now, there are things like 11 coming after 12, entries numbered "A", and numbers in parenthesized numbers. Is there somewhere that tells me how to interpret this? --Carnildo (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Carnildo, I'll be very happy to answer to your questions:

1) Benazir Bhutto was the 11th PM of Pakistan (1988-1990 and 1993-1996). At her first term entry, number 11 isn't in parenthesis, but at her second term it is, in order to underline she was 11th PM, (not 11th and 14th). She just served two non-consecutive terms. The same apply to Nawaz Sharif's (who was 12th PM) terms as PM (1990-1993, 1993 and 1997-1999), and who served three non-consecutive terms.

2) Entries numbered "A" means those officeholders weren't regular PMs, but acting, temporary holders of the office. --Sundostund (talk) 11:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, There's been a debate going on about whether acting PMs should just be given a serial number. As per the constitution, acting prime ministers and elected prime ministers are not treated differently. If we were to allow for the numbering of PMs the current pm would be the 22nd PM and not the 16th. Any thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87msa (talk • contribs) 07:41, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hello everyone, this list was peer reviewed back in 2012–13. The list is then nominated at WP:FLC and successfully get through to become a featured list. This was updated in 2013 when Nawaz Sharif became Prime Minister and should be updated for Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, but I don't think the pattern of the list need any modifications. comments, suggestions and opinions are appreciated. Regards, Khadar Khani (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

-I've changed the PPP color to its original and official party representation.. which is black. Please see the Pakistan People's Party and National Assembly of Pakistan for proof of no mis-doing. -DawedalRaqqa

This is an authority argument, in no way a reasonable argument. No, the founding principles do not prohibit modifying such a list and do not recognize the principle of freezing such pages. If not, they would be protected, allowing only administrators to improve them. But this kind of rule is contrary to the principles of the encyclopedia, protection is decided only if there is vandalism, which is not the case here --Panam2014 (talk) 19:49, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

No authority argument, please have a look at above statement again. Khadar Khani (talk) 19:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I have looked at everything and nothing prohibits editing a labelized article. Thank you for stopping to invent rules and make obstruction. --Panam2014 (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Ayub Khan as Prime Minister? and Problems with counting terms

How is it that Ayub Khan is listed as the Prime Minister? It is true that, he was appointed to take post but within minutes it was nullified by him. Ayub Khan was the Chief Martial Law Administrator alongside with Pres. Mirza. Mirza tried appointing him the Prime Minister to take his powers away but that never happened. Mirza's chicanery eventually led to his ouster from the country once and for all. Sources and written historical references are written in their respected pages with page numbers referenced.

Ayub Khan was never elected nor was ever the Prime Minister. Read their pages. Its' well sourced there. Ayub Khan's name needs to be removed from this article. He was never a prime minister.

Also, it seems like that the Pakistani government officials do not have any idea in regards to order their numbers of their prime ministers. Caretaker prime ministers are not elected officials that represents the will of the people, they are just there to complete their terms and then relinquish the post once the elections are over. B. Bhutto was elected twice, therefore the number of her term should be counted as 11, not 13. The same goes with Sharif as well.

That is how the universal system works.

"Universal?" There is no universal numbering system for political positions. --Golbez (talk) 23:11, 9 June 2018 (UTC)

Numbers

The 12th PM's govt was dissolved and later reinstated so the number for both terms before dissolution and after restoration should be 12. Now the 11th PM was Benazir Bhutto and she was re-elected in new elections and new voting after 12th PM resigned so she should be the 13th PM. She was not reinstated like 12th PM so the number should not be same for her 2nd term. Now after that 12th PM was re-elected in new elections but his number is still 12 like he's reinstated like before. Isn't this messed up? There's a difference between restoration and re-election. When a PM is restored he is restored to same old office but when he is re-elected it's new election, new voting, new oath and so new number as well. These numbers would probably be okay if these were consecutive terms like Obama was re-elected. There can’t be same number for non-consecutive terms. I've tried to change this but my edits are removed and asked to discuss about it. And another thing is we can't find any source which is focused on numbering. Some newspapers have used Wikipedia's numbering but it can't be used as source here as they are using Wikipedia as source. And this is a common sense thing so I think users should make a decision on this because there are many attempts to change it and many questions/discussion regarding the numbers on PM's talk pages. There’s no need to repeat numbers. If you see official government website for Prime Minsters of Pakistan you’ll see they don’t use same number they even changed number for reinstated term. So current numbering doesn’t make sense at all. It’s just confusing for everyone. Please end this dispute. There’s no reason for using current numbering. 119.160.98.110 (talk) 02:04, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jibran1998, Kashmiri, and Vif12vf: Shouldn't be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ridhej.dhhes (talk • contribs) 12:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

No, Because number of Prime Minister is for the person. Express Tribune, Geo are reputable News Agencies you cant just ignore their News. When the new prime minister will be elected you can then see how the news organizations will label him Jibran1998 (talk) 13:04, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

@Jibran1998: See this govt site of former PMs they don't use current numbering. If we number like govt site and separate caretakers it will exactly what im saying. Govt site should be ignored?--Ridhej.dhhes (talk) 19:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

@Ridhej.dhhes: The Site is quoting serial numbers no where it says 1st, 2nd, 3rd....... Jibran1998 (talk) 19:50, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Acting prime minister

i think the list with caretaker prime ministers should be merged with the prime minister list having 2 lists is confusing any opinions my example is pm acting pm pm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 22:55, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

I agree. We shouldn't have separate list of caretakers. --Saqib (talk) 16:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

We should seperate caretakers and Prime Ministers. Its the organized way. Electoral 2020 (talk) 18:24, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

A caretaker does not count as an official Prime Minister. Electoral 2020 (talk) 18:25, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

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Please Dont Add Caretakers

Leave the caretakers out. It is confusing the list and cotradicting media statements that Imran Kham is the 19th Prime Minister. Electoral 2020 (talk) 22:39, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Caretakers

Hi According to PM official website, caretakers have the same numerotation than the others PM. But in all cases, there are nor reason to put caretakers in a different column. --Panam2014 (talk) 12:32, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

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Caretaker list

should we merge the list like ther articles i can't can somebody do it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Friendlyhistorian (talk • contribs) 00:32, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 April 2022

No Prime Minister of Pakistan has yet served it's full term of 5 years.

1. Change "it's" to "his/her" (or at least remove the apostrophe).

2. Change "5" to "five" IvyRabbit (talk) 21:08, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done: with modifications Happy Editing--IAmChaos 04:27, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

PM's term ended on 3rd April

As per current situation, there is no Prime Minister of Pakistan, last Prime Minister was Imran Khan Niazi until 3rd April 2022. Within few days new or care taker Prime Minister will be announced. So, edit the table and add 3rd April 2022 in office leaving column. @Jibran1998 Thanks Theraza (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 15:09, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

See 2022 Pakistani constitutional crisis. Your interpretation of events is disputed. FDW777 (talk) 15:28, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Mandarax (talk) 20:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, but it's not eligible, as it previously appeared as a DYK, on 26 November 2012. See WP:DYK#New, rule 1d.

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• ... that no Prime Minister in Pakistan has ever completed a full-term? Source: Aljazeera[1] Reuters[2]

Created by User4edits (talk). Self-nominated at 23:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC).

• Ineligible, already appeared at DYK (t · c) buidhe 05:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 April 2022

Changing the name of the incumbent prime minister in this list from 'Mian Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif' to 'Shehbaz Sharif', in line with how his brother Nawaz Sharif is listed. Rastak1 (talk) 10:19, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done SWinxy (talk) 02:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Correction Of Wrong Tenure of Yousaf Raza Ghilani of Pakistan

According to the official website of National Assembly of Pakistan and lists of Prime Ministers and their tenures, tenure of Yousaf Raza Ghilani extend from 25 March, 2008 to 25 April, 2012 of total 4 years and one month. J.Sajjad Pannu (talk) 18:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2022

J.Sajjad Pannu (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Tenure of Yousaf Raza Ghilani According to Official website of National Assembly of Pakistan is 25 March, 2008 to 25 April, 2012.(na.gov.pk) J.Sajjad Pannu (talk) 18:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Several sources state that the court order ousting him was issued an effective on 19 June. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2023

Required correction at starting of 2nd Para. i.e Since 1947, Pakistan has had eighteen prime ministers, aside from the appointed caretaker prime ministers ........... Total number of Prime Ministers are 23 not 18. Cyberfalconpk (talk) 12:01, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 12:40, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Pakistan

Prime Minister Imran khan 118.107.131.54 (talk) 08:42, 16 August 2023 (UTC)

Grammar for Shehbaz Sharif

The grammar is not up to wikipedia standards in the latest part of Shehbaz Sharif’s section Titan2456 (talk) 21:36, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Number

@SheriffIsInTown:, you removed my edits on changing the numbers for prime minister by saying: "Sorry, does not work like that, examples Donald Trump and". I mean, it does work like that? Donald Trump is listed as the 45th president on his article whereas his predecessor Joe Biden is listed as the 46th president. The same goes for the neighboring India, on the List of prime ministers of India, Indira Gandhi is listed as the third prime minister, despite having Morarji Desai and Charan Singh in between her two terms. Prime ministers and presidents are numbered according to uninterrupted periods served by the same person. For example, George Washington served two consecutive terms and is counted as the 1st president (not the 1st and 2nd). Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 04:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

No, it doesn’t work that way. Donald Trump is listed as the 45th and 47th president, while Grover Cleveland is recognized as both the 22nd and 24th president due to his two non-consecutive terms. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure on presidents but on prime ministers, It surely works that way. As i highlighted before, "Indira Gandhi is listed as the third prime minister, despite having Morarji Desai and Charan Singh in between her two terms". Furthermore, on related prime minister articles such as the List of prime ministers of Israel and on his article, Netanyahu is listed as the 9th president whereas his predecessor Yair Lapid is listed as the 14th, Naftali Bennett as the 13th and so on. The same goes on for List of prime ministers of Australia, Robert Menzies is listed as the 12th prime minister despite two non-consecutive periods, Alfred Deakin is listed as the 2nd prime minister despite having Chris Watson and George Reid between his terms (similar for Nawaz Sharif and Benazir Bhutto). Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 08:59, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we rely on sources to determine information. While I do not know how sources describe prime ministers of other countries, the sources for Pakistani prime ministers identify Shehbaz Sharif as 23rd, Imran Khan as 22nd, and Shahid Khaqan Abbasi as 21st. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I mean, I can also list thousands of reliable sources listing Imran Khan as the 19th prime minister, including The Washington Times, Firstpost, Al Jazeera, The Guardian, The Express Tribune etc. same with Shahid Khaqan Abbasi (Business Recorder, Geo News, Indian Express etc. same with Shehbaz Sharif, Nawaz Sharif, Benazir Bhutto and others. As per the point above, Pakistan is a parliamentary republic like India, Israel etc. so the list should be consistent with other country articles. Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 13:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I’m fine with either approach as long as it is supported by the sources. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 13:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)