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Libertarian elected to office in Michigan: David Eisenbacher is no longer in the "former" category because he has returned to the Troy City Council.--Libertyguy (talk) 01:09, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Multi source bullet point refs

A few refs in the section about Creswell use multi-source bullet point format. Sometimes that is useful, but I suspect it is needlessly redundant here. Rather than picking and choosing sources myself, I suggest topic-specialists on this page consider which of the sources they consider best, and consider whether some of the bulleted-sources can be dropped as redundant. Alsee (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Creswell

Gregory Creswell was found to be a non-notable politician; the solution isn't to re-create an article about him here instead. You don't need a 10K edit, and 16 sources (including two superfluous "notes" about those sources) to communicate this idea. Some of these citations look like original research, and this kind of citation bombardment was explicitly rejected in the AfD. What he may or may not have done in a different campaign eleven years ago isn't relevant; the claims themselves are trivial (he ran advertisements), and the sourcing for them is weak. Spending half the length of this article talking about a candidate who has never been elected who is running unopposed in a single primary special election for a state house seat is the definition of undue weight. Mackensen (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Some of this section also duplicates (including references) what I added to "Overview": The first Libertarian primary candidate is Gregory Creswell, who had previously been the party's candidate for governor in 2006. Creswell is running to replace state representative Brian Banks and will be unopposed in the primary.^[1] That seems adequate to me. Mackensen (talk) 23:28, 19 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your work on the overview. I don't think two paragraphs are the same as an attempt to "re-create an article about him here instead." It certainly isn't "half the length." This was much shorter than the section you initially removed. You seem to object to the section in general. I will remove it because I have enough dialog with you as is, and your additions to the overview satisfy the minimum coverage, but I would like to know what you consider to be original research. Would you please specify this?--Libertyguy (talk) 02:14, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The article as it stood had 432 words of prose; 167 of them are in the Creswell section (more like 40%). Similar articles about state-level political parties aren't structured that way. They discuss the party, and don't include potted biographies of anyone--not candidates, not party officials. If you think this case is different I'm open to hearing why. What struck me as original research is this footnote concerning ballot access (reproduced).^[2] Leaving aside whether Stempfle is a reliable source, this discussion of "Michigan Manuals" and such suggests to me original research to support a claim, instead of a reliable source coming out and making a claim. The entire reference is very unusual in its structure and formatting; it's not clear to me what part supports which claim. Alsee (talk · contribs) raised the same issue in the section above (#Multi source bullet point refs). Best, Mackensen (talk) 02:27, 21 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Oosting, Jonathan (April 25, 2017). "Bert Johnson's brother among 14 running for state House". Detroit News. Michigan. Retrieved April 27, 2017.
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The ballot access news sites an article by Greg Stempfle. Winger, Richard (April 6, 2017). "Michigan Libertarian Party Will Nominate by Primary for First Time, in Upcoming Special Legislative Election". "Ballot Access News". Retrieved 2017-04-30.
- Stempfle, Greg (April 4, 2017). "Michigan Libertarian Party Will Nominate by Primary for First Time, in Upcoming Special Legislative Election". "Ballot Access News". Retrieved 2017-04-30. Greg Stempfle's article concludes with, "All election results are taken from the Michigan Manual, Official Canvass of Votes"
- Complete Michigan Manuals on Michigan site going back to 1999. Legislator and Committee Pages from Michigan Manuals go back to 1974 with some pages being available back to 1835."Michigan Manuals". Lansing Michigan.
older volumes of the Michigan Manual are available at Stanford University Libraries [1]. Much older volumes of the Michigan Manual are available at Google Books [2].
- Stempfle also referencedJohnson, Ruth (August 8, 2017). "2017 Michigan Candidate Listing: Special Primary". Lansing Michigan. and "MICHIGAN ELECTION LAW (EXCERPT) Act 116 of 1954 Section 168.532". Michigan.

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[1] Oosting, Jonathan (April 25, 2017). "Bert Johnson's brother among 14 running for state House". Detroit News. Michigan. Retrieved April 27, 2017.

[2] The ballot access news sites an article by Greg Stempfle. Winger, Richard (April 6, 2017). "Michigan Libertarian Party Will Nominate by Primary for First Time, in Upcoming Special Legislative Election". "Ballot Access News". Retrieved 2017-04-30.

Stempfle, Greg (April 4, 2017). "Michigan Libertarian Party Will Nominate by Primary for First Time, in Upcoming Special Legislative Election". "Ballot Access News". Retrieved 2017-04-30. Greg Stempfle's article concludes with, "All election results are taken from the Michigan Manual, Official Canvass of Votes"

Complete Michigan Manuals on Michigan site going back to 1999. Legislator and Committee Pages from Michigan Manuals go back to 1974 with some pages being available back to 1835."Michigan Manuals". Lansing Michigan.
older volumes of the Michigan Manual are available at Stanford University Libraries [1]. Much older volumes of the Michigan Manual are available at Google Books [2].

Stempfle also referencedJohnson, Ruth (August 8, 2017). "2017 Michigan Candidate Listing: Special Primary". Lansing Michigan. and "MICHIGAN ELECTION LAW (EXCERPT) Act 116 of 1954 Section 168.532". Michigan.

[3] Stempfle, Greg (April 4, 2017). "Michigan Libertarian Party Will Nominate by Primary for First Time, in Upcoming Special Legislative Election". "Ballot Access News". Retrieved 2017-04-30. Greg Stempfle's article concludes with, "All election results are taken from the Michigan Manual, Official Canvass of Votes"

[4] Complete Michigan Manuals on Michigan site going back to 1999. Legislator and Committee Pages from Michigan Manuals go back to 1974 with some pages being available back to 1835."Michigan Manuals". Lansing Michigan.

[5] Stempfle also referencedJohnson, Ruth (August 8, 2017). "2017 Michigan Candidate Listing: Special Primary". Lansing Michigan. and "MICHIGAN ELECTION LAW (EXCERPT) Act 116 of 1954 Section 168.532". Michigan.

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