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Inaccuracy in plot summary?

Unless I missed a scene, I don't recall this part of the plot summary being in the movie: "Hale tries to have Ernest killed but fails." 67.52.175.149 (talk) 15:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

its a little misleading in that I don't believe they actually show an attempt on ernest's life being made but the in the end of the movie, they show hale dictating a note to a stenographer (?) in his jail cell which has a plot to hire a hitman to kill Ernest. 2600:4040:AFCD:BA00:FD11:978F:39D7:DF8F (talk) 19:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This partially happens, but it is out of order in the plot summary, and unrelated to the stenographer. Hale dictates to the stenographer, who clearly works for a newspaper, several things he wants to be written in the papers about him that put Hale in a positive light. The next scene, there is a shot of Blackie receiving a note, and then it cuts to an interrogation between the prosecutor and Blackie. In this scene, Blackie says the note is from Hale and it instructed him to kill Ernest. Both of these scenes occur immediately before Ernest's first appearance in court, when W.S. Hamilton makes a scene and tries to make a case for why he needs to speak with Ernest as his attorney. 97.113.208.185 (talk) 07:41, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cannes photo only includes Hollywood stars

It is notable that the placard for Chief Standing Moon is included in the photo, but the person has been cropped out, leaving mostly just the 'white' looking stars.

Can an alternative and more inclusive photo be found? Muhanned Nuaimy-Barker (talk) 10:12, 22 October 2023 (UTCM

I agree with M.alnuaimy; I watched a good part of the Cannes press conference, which is online, and Chief Standing Moon had an active role.Parkwells (talk) 16:01, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His name is Chief Geoffrey Standing Bear:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Standing_Bear 104.244.87.226 (talk) 19:57, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Plot Summary is too detailed

The Plot Summary is too detailed, filled with spoilers about events in the film. It takes away any surprises that a viewer might encounter in seeing the film unfold and will lessen the effect of that viewing. At the same time, it does not provide much of the context of the film - early murders are shown, as are the rough edges of a town on the reservation being overrun with whites there to work for oil companies and exploit the Osage, the frontier quality of a dirt Main Street showing workers, Osage in traditional and high-style European-American dress; numerous horses, wagons, and elite cars on the streets.Parkwells (talk) 15:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It might be good to read WP:SPOILERS. Wikipedia does not purposefully omit information in order to enhance the effect of watching a film. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 04:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Osage script in lead

Should the title of the film be written in Osage script in the article's opening line? Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As noted elsewhere, it seems that the film itself uses that title, cf. the Apple TV Instagram reference I put up, which helps show that the Osage title is indeed "official". Thanks. John315 (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That only makes a case for its legitimacy, not for its inclusion. We normally include foreign titles when the film itself was a foreign release with a different name in its native country. Killers of course is an American film that was released with an English title. Opencooper (talk) 10:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

But if we consider Osage people as Americans, then it might not be considered a "foreign title". John315 (talk) 11:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

From a federal indian law perspective, the correct way to consider the Osage people is as dual citizens of the Osage Nation and the U.S.. Whether or not the Osage Nation is "foreign or domestic" is kinda an open question. Neil Gorsuch wrote in a dissent that tribal governments are neither foreign nor domestic and the Supreme Court's majority hasn't ruled one way or the other.

Setting that question to the side for a second though, it would seem fine to me to include the Osage name of the film considering that the film has an official Osage translation of the title and does feature the Osage language. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this knowledgeable Tulsan has some wise points. :D John315 (talk) 18:21, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning it as a note seems to be an acceptable alternative. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:50, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While the film features the Osage language, it is primarily an English-language film (with select Osage text subtitled into English) rather than an Osage-language release.^[1] Putting the name of the film in another language in the lead gives undue weight to it.

Now that it is in a note instead of cluttering up the lead, it's more acceptable, but I still want to make the point that encyclopedia articles on Wikipedia are not indiscriminate collections of information. Information should not solely be included because it exists (e.g. "it's in the film") or one likes it (e.g. trying to increase representation of the Osage language), but rather because there is an editorial basis to do so. Opencooper (talk) 20:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the film's title, in whatever language(s) it's in, automatically gives an editorial basis to mention it. It's the title. John315 (talk) 23:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The title appears first in Osage during the credits. It should be kept. Kire1975 (talk) 05:02, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not just a matter of considering Osage people as Americans. It's about the movie itself: The movie itself has dialog in two languages, and the title clearly appears, in very large letters, in Osage. Yes, it has more dialog in English. I didn't count the lines, but having watched it, I think it's maybe 80% English and 20% Osage. If it was just two or three symbolic lines, I wouldn't call it "bilingual", but it's way, way more.

Yes, it's a bit unusual for a movie to have a bilingual title. Usually, movies have one title in one language. But this is an exception. To be honest, I cannot think of another example, but it's possible that they exist.

This is the English Wikipedia here, so the title of the page should be in English, of course. I don't think anyone disputes that. But the lead section should clear mention the Osage title in parentheses immediately after the English title, and not in a footnote. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:52, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Apple TV: "Original Audio: English"; compare: Atanarjuat: "Original Audio: Inuktitut", so this isn't some default or limitation with Apple TV's platform.

So the movie released digitally

Hi! I’m on mobile right now and I can’t quite add references properly. To anyone who can, here’s the link: https://www.apple.com/tv-pr/news/2023/12/apple-original-films-award-winning-feature-killers-of-the-flower-moon-from-martin-scorsese-to-debut-on-premium-video-on-demand-and-electronic-sell-through-beginning-december-5-2023-in-collaboration-with-paramount/

Thanks in advance! Nicole. Oh, she's elegantly clandestine... ✨ 05:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

do infoboxes get updated with digital releases? Pdubs.94 (talk) 23:08, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. As far as I know, only theatrical releases (premiere and wide) are listed. Nicole. Oh, she's elegantly clandestine... ✨ 07:03, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How long until we considered it a Box-office bomb?

I mean 154 million on a 200 million budget and it's already going to streaming. Yeah this movie lost some money. 2806:108E:13:72BB:AD21:2FC5:F2ED:B972 (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Until we have enough WP:RS to back it up. Kire1975 (talk) 05:51, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable but if Napoleon is also considered a box-office bomb then so is this too 2806:108E:13:72BB:94D0:5E43:81B6:1CF2 (talk) 00:52, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTFORUM Kire1975 (talk) 01:12, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia only allows (well, editors and admins do) the claim of a bomb if some "reliable source" (eff that, and I'm serious) "reports" it. None has, so it's not a bomb. According to WP "logic". jae (talk) 23:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, like how an encyclopedia is supposed to be written. Not from the editor's point of view. Mike Allen 00:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Writing quality

"whacking his own hitmen,?"

Who writes this shit? 2601:154:8300:34E:8ECD:20D9:17B1:A382 (talk) 01:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People (and at this point AI) from all around the world. Mike Allen 00:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The beauty of Wikipedia is that anyone can edit an article if they believe they can improve the quality of the writing Jameson Nightowl (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Media Effects

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Section on Lily Gladstone "snub" controversey

While the film was nominated for a variety of awards and won none at the 96th Academy Awards, Lily Gladstone's loss to Emma Stone in the Best Actress category attracted significant attention due to Gladstone's history-making status as the first Native American person to be nominated for an Oscar and Emma Stone's previous win for her performance in La La Land. Jactagon (talk) 15:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please read WP:NOTGOSSIP. Kire1975 (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is covered in the second paragraph of the "Accolades" section. I think that scope is appropriate. If more relevant detail can be added to that paragraph, that would be fine by me. I don't think it warrants its own section heading. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:19, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Apple TV: "Original Audio: English"; compare: Atanarjuat: "Original Audio: Inuktitut", so this isn't some default or limitation with Apple TV's platform.

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