Talk:Kang Pan Sok

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Discussions:

No consensus, 24 March 2024, to Kang Pan-sŏk, see discussion.
Moved, 17 September 2024, from Kang Pan-sok to Kang Pan Sok, see discussion.

Requested move 24 March 2024

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. I will restore the ten-year stable title, Kang Pan-sok, per WP:NOCON. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 04:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Pan Suk → Kang Pan-sŏk – Undoing several undiscussed moves. Original title was Kang Pan-sŏk (my preferred target). The page was first moved to remove the diacritic ("Kang Pan-sok"), then moved to "Kang Pan Suk". The diacritic I prefer because of WP:TSC, see the sentence beginning with "Sometimes the most appropriate..." The hyphen I am asking to revert to (I don't necessarily prefer it) because of these discussions: Talk:Kim Ju-ae#Requested move 26 February 2024 , User talk:GreatLeader1945#NK romanization standards?, and Talk:Ko Yong-hui#Undiscussed move. toobigtokale (talk) 20:44, 24 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 00:49, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment WP:COMMONNAME is the first consideration; OP has provided no sources for this proposed move. Per WP:NCKO, McCune–Reischauer is used for North Korean names (if there is no established usage in English-language sources.) Per that article: "In personal names, each syllable in a Sino-Korean given name is separated by a space with the first letter of each syllable capitalized." 162 etc. (talk) 21:51, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually WP:NCKO is frustratingly contradictory. Koreans variously spell two-syllable given names as a joined word or separated by a hyphen or a space, with the second syllable occasionally capitalized. If there is no personal preference and no established English spelling, hyphenate the syllables, with only the first syllable capitalized (e.g., Hong Gil-dong). It does not distinguish between North and South Korean standards in this guidance.

I'll also note the mover did not provide evidence of common name either. The assumption of no hyphen in a common name I think won't fly either, given how irregular Korean romanization standards are.

I'm being harsh on this in part to incentivize people to actually move to change the Korean style guidelines. They guidelines are in significant need of nuance or detail, and ignoring the rules entirely while these (understandable) confusions arise I think just makes the problem worse. toobigtokale (talk) 20:30, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is toobigtokale; to clarify my move req is a move to what I believe is prescribed by the Korean naming conventions. The prev title is not prescribed in my interpretation. 2806:2F0:83C1:FC7E:15B0:9E54:30C4:9522 (talk) 13:13, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 17 September 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. per discussion below. Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) reading beans 04:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kang Pan-sok → Kang Pan Sok – Trying another move req, this time with stronger evidence. I suspect the WP:COMMONNAME is "Kang Pan Sok", per this ngram.

As a side note, 162 etc's argument in the prev move request was not quite correct. That part of McCune–Reischauer that asks for spaces in names is for North Korea's variant of the system. However, per MOS:KO, we're not supposed to use North Korea's variant. Pure MR asks for no spaces or hyphens in given names, as well as the use of diacritics. So in the prev move request the target should have been "Kang Pansŏk". Anyway water under the bridge. seefooddiet (talk) 13:23, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: as per nom. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 16:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.