Talk:Jupiter (god)/Archive 1

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Note

The intention is to keep this page as focused on the Italic god as much as possible. The track-record of Roman god-pages is that they tend to accumulate stuff from Ovid that's more relevant to Greek myth. Someone therefore combined this page with Zeus a while ago, which I think was a wise choice given the material that was there. I've separated it and added more Rome-specific material. I'm not the king of Wikipedia, but please consider whether the material you want to add is relevant to Jupiter (god) or Zeus. Bacchiad 23:44, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Name

Okay so in latin class we learned that the v sound in latin is prounounced like a "w" sound and j sound like y. If that's true then isnt Jove the same as Yahweh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.120.60 (talk) 17:05, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

The Greek name is surely Zeu pateer (sorry, can't write greek on this keyboard). The vocative doesn't have the final sigma. Isn't that right? Richard W.M. Jones 14:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Copied from comment in Talk:Dyaus Pita by Simha:

Latin Juppiter is from IE. *dyeu-ph2ter (vocative), not from Iove pater, the latter being a remade vocative after thematic nouns.

Mark 83.151.246.2 07:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

You lie. Who are you? Some person from university or something? Find it in a book. You lie. We at Wikipedia will not listen to your bookless herisies! We at Wikipedia will invent our own truthes. You are the weakest link, goodbye. --24.77.216.252 07:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Jupiter Trophonius

In my recent readings of Roman history I've come across a reference to a temple of "Jupiter Trophonius", which is perhaps another one of Jupiter's titles? I'm having trouble finding any information on it specifically. Could anyone help clear this up for me? – Quoth 11:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Jupiter Exobotanist

I found an epithet. Does anybody know? I heard from the radio, I think. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.77.216.252 (talk) 07:12, 20 December 2006 (UTC).

Jupiter Dolichenus

Would something about Jupiter Dolichenus be suitable for this page, or would a separate page be better? I see that most epithets of Jupiter have been redirected to this page. --Nantonos 05:00, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to add any epithets you've got to the page; I've done the same recently with Mars (mythology), Mercury (mythology) and Venus (mythology). If the list gets too long, we can easily make a daughter article, Epithets of Jupiter, to list them all. -Silence 07:36, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Adult supervision is needed

Constructive edits since 23 December 2006 are pitifully few: see my corrective edit today. This article needs closer adult supervision. Semi-protection is apparently unavailable. --Wetman 03:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Celtic Jupiter

Jupiter was adopted by the Celts after their lands were conquered by the Romans. He was given Celtic epithets in different places, and was also equated with local gods (for example, Jupiter Beissirissa, by a tribe in southern Gaul). Since this article is concentrating on the Italic Jupiter, I was wondering, would be appropriate to list those epithets here, or in a separate article? T@nn 06:56, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Great! Discuss them fully here, as an aspect of Jupiter. If any individual sections were to get long enough, they could be cut and pasted to start individual articles. But an encyclopedic treatment belongs here. Keep up the good work! --Wetman 12:25, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'll do that. I'm using my flatmate's computer so I don't get on as often as I'd like, but I will add the entries sometime this week. And thanks for the kind words. :) T@nn 10:17, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Zeus

Hey look my tag...

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Regis Deorum

WikiProject class rating

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Jupiter

IS A PLANET !!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.123.19.146 (talk) 18:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Epithets of Jupiter

This is taken from the italian wikipedia entry. Anyone with the appropriate knowledge of italian should add this to the article.

Epiteti

Questi sono gli epiteti conosciuti di Giove, secondo la lista compilata dallo storico svedese Carl Thulin e riportata dalla Paulys Realencyclopädie (1890), pagine 1142-1144. La sigla O. M. sta per Ottimo Massimo.

Translation:(These are all the known epithets of Jupiter according to the list compiled by the swedish historian Carl Thulin and which appeared in Paulys Realencyclopädie (1890), page 1142-1144. The abbreviation O.M. stands for "All Powerful")

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This translation may be way off because i'm translating from 1 month's failed Italian classes and my spanish knowledge. It looks right though!

The problem is that a list without context is a dead-end. Many epithets are purely local: to know the locality would be a start. --Wetman (talk) 04:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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• Adventus O. M. ("arrivo, invasione") (arrival, birth, invasion?)
• Aetetus O. M. (from aetas?: old)
• Almus ("che conforta") (who gives comfort, courage)
• Amaranus ("che amareggia?")
• Anxurus ("di Terracina")
• Appenninus ("dell’Appennino"; fusione con il dio ligure Penninus)
• Arcanus ("occulto") (occult, arcane: at Praeneste)
• Balmarcodes O. M.
• Beellefarus
• Bronton (thundering)
• Cacunus
• Caelestis O. M. (Heavenly)
• Caelus O. M.
• Capitolinus O. M. ("del Campidoglio")
• Casius ("del Monte Casio"; adorato ad Antiochia)
• Ciminius (of Mount Ciminus)
• Clitumnus
• Cohortalis O. M.
• Conservator ("difensore")
• Culminalis O. M.
• Cultor ("coltivatore")
• Custos ("custode, guardiano")
• Damascenus O. M. ("di Damasco)
• Dapalis (daps banquet)
• Defensor O. M.
• Depulsor O. M.
• Depulsorius O. M.
• Dianus
• Dolichenus ("di Dolico"; è l’antico Teshub degli Ittiti)
• Domesticus
• Diovis
• Elicius (who frees, elicits: lightning or rain)
• Epulo (who gives or takes part in banquets)
• Exsuperantissimus O. M. (incomparable)
• Fagutalis (had a temple near an old oak there)
• Farreus (perhaps from the confarreatio Dum.)
• Feretrius (who is carried around or to whom spoils are carried)
• Fidius (fusione con Dius Fidius)
• Flagius (adorato a Cuma)
• Frugifer (who bears fruit)
• Fulgur
• Fulgurator
• Fulmen
• Fulminator
• Grabovius (fusione con il dio umbro Grabovio)
• Hammon O. M. (adorato nell’oasi di Siwa)
• Heliopolitanus (di Heliopolis, attuale Baalbek)
• Hercius
• Imbricitor (who soaks in rainwater)
• Impulsor
• Indiges (identificazione divina di Enea)
• Inventor
• Invictus
• Iurarius
• Iutor
• Iuventas
• Lapis (the wetstone sends sparkles similar to lightning)
• Latiaris
• Liber (who is free, or who frees, also the semen)
• Liberator
• Libertas
• Lucetius (shining for his lightningbolts)
• Maius (majestic, great)
• Maleciabrudes
• Monitor O. M. ("guida") (leader, warner)
• Nundinarius
• Obsequens (agreeing)
• Opitulator o Opitulus ("soccorritore") (reliever)
• Optimus Maximus (O. M.)
• Paganicus
• Pantheus
• Patronus
• Pecunia
• Pistor ("fornaio") (baker)
• Pluvialis (rainy)
• Poeninus
• Praedator
• Praestes ("protettore")
• Prestabilis ("insigne") (noble, noted, well-known)
• Prestitus
• Propagator O. M.
• Propugnator
• Puer (child)
• Purgator (purifier)
• Purpurio O. M.
• Quirinus (fusione con Quirino)
• Rector (who rules)
• Redux
• Restitutor
• Ruminus (who breastfeeds)
• Salutaris O. M.
• Savazios (fusione con Sabazio)
• Sempiternus
• Serapis (fusione con Serapide)
• Serenator ("che rasserena")
• Serenus ("sereno, calmo; felice")
• Servator O. M. ("salvatore, osservatore")
• Sospes ("salvatore")
• Stator ("che tiene fermo, che ferma")
• Striganus
• Succellus (fusione con il dio celtico Succellus)
• Summanus
• Tempestas
• Terminus
• Territor ("che spaventa") (who scares)
• Tifatinus
• Tigillus (beam of the universe)
• Tonans ("tonante")
• Tonitrator ("che fa tuonare")
• Tutator (warden)
• Valens ("forte, sano, robusto, potente, efficace")
• Versor ("che modifica, che sconvolge, che travolge?") (who overthrows)
• Vesuvius (adorato a Capua)
• Viminus
• Vindex ("protettore, difensore")
• Vircilinus

Thanks. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 00:53, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

List of epithets as given in Augustine VII 9 (from translation at Virginia.edu):

Victor: conquered all things.

Invictus: conquered by none

Opitulus: brought help to thne needy

Impulsor: has the power of impelling

Stator: has the power of stopping

Centumpeda: power of stablishing

Supinalis: power of throwing on the back

Tigillus: held together/ sustained the world

Almus: nourished all things

Ruminus: nourished all animals

Pecunia: inexaustibly plentiful.Aldrasto11 (talk) 10:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Picture

One of the pictures of Jupiter and juno are inappropriate for kids who do reserach —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.253.197 (talk) 21:59, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored. That said, I am not sure the picture added much. Rather than restore it, I will post it here for now. -- Secisek (talk) 14:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree that removal is a decent idea. Primarily, this is because the picture is quite a minor variation on portrayals of Jupiter, while the other pictures in the article give a better impression of how Jupiter is normally shown. Including this image might constitute undue weight. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 15:14, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

etymology: mention of *Tiwaz?

If Jupiter has the same root as Tyr, then why is Tyr associated with Mars and not Jupiter? Tiwaz mentions nothing at all about Jupiter - and as Jupiter's associated with Thursday (and not Tuesday), the mention seems to confuse rather than clarify. Any of you have insight or suggestions about this? --moof (talk) 14:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree that it's confusing. Obviously someone's strayed a little off topic there. I'm removing the excessive Tuesday info. I'm not an expert but I believe that Tyr is associated with Mars because of shared characteristics, while, at the same time, he shares an etymological link with Jupiter. Think of it as Dyēu-pəter being the "father" term for both *Tiwaz/Tyr and Jupiter, while Mars and Tyr represent a kind of mythological convergent evolution. I hope this makes things a little less confusing. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 15:22, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

when Jupiter was born and information on him

Jupiter was born on 3 September 1624 dc he had 20 children 10 girls and 10 boys he love them, but they hat to have children with there brothers and sisters. They thought that was right they hade 20 children each,it was a very big family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.29.6.64 (talk) 09:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Father of Proserpina?

The article credits Jupiter with being the father of Proserpina, (whose mother is Ceres). I can find nothing to support this. Jupiter and Ceres? Can anyone? Is this not an error?--Wetman (talk) 21:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

It is correct. The answer in Ovid's Fasti IV, 587 ff.Aldrasto (talk) 12:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Origins

Aldrasto (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)The origin of Jupiter is not discussed. He was, like Janus and Diana, a god common to all Italic tribes. Livy talks of a "Jovis Latiaris sacrum in monte" this mount being Mount Albanus, where a federal Latin shrine stood. Livy 21, 63, 5. Servius called Jupiter "antiquissimus". I would like to add some relvant info, but I must look for more sources.Aldrasto (talk) 13:00, 3 January 2010 (UTC)