Talk:List of James Bond films

The first James Bond film

- is Casino Royale in 1954, more information here: https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/cr_1954 It features Barry Nelson as James Bond. There is no mention of this in Wikipedia for some reason. Of all the films it is truest to the Ian Fleming original. Perigrimmation (talk) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

See Casino Royale (Climax!) DonQuixote (talk) 20:24, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@DonQuixote and Perigrimmation: I was just puzzle by this. The link is in the lead and the navbox at the bottom, but shouldn't it also be in the table at List_of_James_Bond_films#Non-Eon_films? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 09:11, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like an episode of a TV series, not a film Indagate (talk) 09:14, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Inflation Metric

Why is the inflation figure still based on 2005? Would it not make more sense to update it? 2005 was nearly 20 years ago so seems like there's no point even having an inflation column unless it's something recent for people to relate to. TheMysteriousEditor (talk) 19:59, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

The 2005 index is the one used by the source. That's the simple answer. The point of the inflation column is to enable a financial comparison on a level playing field, so I don't really understand the point you are making. It doesn't really matter which index is used, whether it is 2022, 2005, or 1965 because it's all relative. The table uses the one in the source and adjusts the later films to the index so they can be compared too. Betty Logan (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

2005 dollars were 54% more valuable than 2023 dollars. That is a significant difference from the average person's sense of a dollar's worth, which is based entirely on what $1 will buy in 2023. The original purpose of adjusting these dollar amounts was to give the average person in 2005 a sense of the amounts of wealth the franchise has generated (and consumed) over its entire run. The table no longer serves that purpose and should be recalculated and updated, or the adjusted columns removed. Georgelazenby (talk) 03:57, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The whole point of inflation adjustment is to provide a comparative metric for comparing how well the films have performed against each other i.e. it is a normalisation metric. The choice of index—whether it is 2005 or 2023—is in one sense irrelevant, because these films did not collectively gross their revenues in 2005 or 2023. The only valid service it provides is as a basis for comparison, and on that note 2005 is more convenient than 2023 because we only have to adjust the Daniel Craig films i.e. it minimises the overall amount of work and original research. The chart using the 2005 index still tells us the same thing a 2023 index would: Skyfall comes out top, and Licence to Kill is at the bottom, so I disagree that the table "no longer serves a purpose". Betty Logan (talk) 06:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

You could always publish 2023 inflation normalisations in a reliable secondary source. Then we, a tertiary source, can cite your work. Tertiary sources are slow to update because they rely on reputable secondary sources to do all the work (ie original research). DonQuixote (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest updating the inflation data using the Consumer Price Index calculator (https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl). Any thoughts? Assadzadeh (talk) 19:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a built-in inflator, which is used to deflate the post-Quantum films. The problem though is that you can't adjust by the original gross because the early films had several re-releases—for example, two-thirds of Dr No's gross came from reissues. Betty Logan (talk) 14:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

If Wikipedia has a built-in inflator, then can the 2005 numbers be used to update to 2024? Assadzadeh (talk) 15:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

This article provides the metrics for 2024. I would suggest updating the table with them. Assadzadeh (talk) 15:34, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Some of the nominal figures in that article are incorrect. There are discrepancies between various sources but the George Lucas blockbusting book is generally the most reliable source for the data. You can view a comparison of the figures here from when we designed this page: User:Betty_Logan/Sandbox#Bond_grosses. As you say, the data can be inflated from 2005 using the data from the book. The upside is that it modernizes the numbers, but on the other hand it's quite a bit of work with very little potential gain, because ultimately the adjusted order will remain the same regardless of the base year.

To take Casino Royale as an example, the coding would be as follows:

{{formatnum:{{#expr:{{Inflation|US|581.5|2005|2023}}+{{Inflation|US|10.4|2019|2023}} round 0}}}} yields 919

So this calculation adjusts the 2005 $ figure from the book and we also add on the 2019 reissue gross too. Betty Logan (talk) 14:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

You obviously know more about this subject than I do, so I can't argue about the validity of the nominal figures in that article, but I would strongly suggest that this page be updated to reflect a more recent year. Otherwise, the page will seem outdated to a casual observer. Assadzadeh (talk) 15:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:32, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thunderball and Never Say Never are the same

same story but different actions 67.55.44.228 (talk) 00:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

That's literally mentioned at both film articles. DonQuixote (talk) 01:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

The plots are similar, there was some weirdness with the licensing and it is easily the worst of the Sean Connery films, but it is a James Bond film and it is strange that it isn't in the list of James Bond films. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc (talk • contribs)

It's literally listed on this page. DonQuixote (talk) 23:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)