Talk:Iranian hip-hop

Call for attention

after all, if it is not immediate.

Dear everyone who may read this, I am calling for attention here because I sense more than a number of issues here. I'm wondering if you care or consider solutions to the issues with the page here.

I see, this page is reaching a low level of importance because of nobody really extend the text or make actual positive edits, in turn we usually witness vandalism - and even worse when some editors quickly reduce the text without bothering to really edit. Do we want to keep this article with less importance and weak structure? I guess NO! You can tell others about it through any WIKI Guidelines you may want to, but I want to seriously warn everyone that it is becoming very useless an non-creative, outdated and plain without active participation, not what I call active-moderation anarchy. I want to quickly remind everyone about the difficult process that these artists have been through, with truly scarce platforms to publish and magazines and promoters to help them get exposure; the citations and few references to some press are the slight reminders of this -now- not small history.

As a producer (Jazz, Electronic-music) I no more provide promotions for the artists through the past years, but I'm a skilled professional in the fields that are fundamental to it, including literature, music, audio engineering and history, and I can seriously spread these news (as our demands and concerns) among our circles and communities because I had a few of bad-experiences while expanding the text and trying to put parts of its history together, (a year ago) and never had the time to scratch my head and login back here. Of course I will also ask our colleagues who are art-historians to be a help on the long run. It is not nice when we have to both try to help people who are systematically unrepresented and speak about those who now have an exposure at the same time. For the things you may know and have seen as first-handed, and also those which are promoted and known to the public these days, there is more than one thing wrong here.

Now I want to ask everyone to help with this issue because you know, this is wasting a lot of my (our) time and energy. Here is the body of text that I added - and the user Rye-96 have kindly make an undo with a thanks message... I have just written him another message and I'm trying to open up here, too.

I tried and provided enough resources and material, if I had to bring them from the internet-archive. I want everyone to read it carefully here and see if together we can decide over it. I have also mentioned both here on a reply to a 2013 message from an unsigned user and in details in Rye-96 's profile, I'm writing here prior to report it to the moderators here specially if they really care about a more dynamic and inclusive wiki.

Iran's premier rap group (best said super-group) '021' is named after the telephone area code of Tehran; it was first mentioned in a highly political mixtape by Yashar and Shayan during the 1990s. Soroush Lashkari Hichkas, used to be living in the same neighbourhood as his older friends 'Yashar and Shayan'. He was also attending the meeting places for rappers and metal-music fans in Tehran. The very first meetings were organized by the rappers (Badnaam clan) in the west Tehran (Namely Shahrak-e Gharb, Golestan Shopping Center and Ekbatan Complex) together with radical film-makers and skaters; together they shot a trilogy Jackass movie for the first time in Iran, which of course gained a lot of attention; although the complete movie does not get the air time on the TV of Iran because of scenes including punk rock, metal music, and of course the pranks , but it became viral in the days of Mini-DV cameras and Video-CD players (As also evident in the works of contemporary Graffiti writers like Keyvan Shovir and A1one). 021 clique (formerly the Persian Clique forum on Yahoo! Groups and Orkut.com) came into being only after the scarce number of artist and people from close subcultures (those related to the western countries and thus banned by the media in Iran) had the chance to exchange their styles of interest, ranging from making skateparks and doing Graffiti Art to finding band-mates and of course to record their songs in the sound studios.The Badnaam clan in west Tehran and Yashar and Shayan Duo act whom together co-founded 021 are still active as the former (clan) publishing online media and the latter duo renamed into Vaajkhonyaa.

Zedbazi, founded in April 2002, is regarded as the pioneer of gangsta rap in Iran. The band quickly gained a huge popularity among the youth, due mainly to their use of explicit lyrics, littered with profanity and depictions of sex and drug use. They are credited with starting a new movement in Iranian music.

After a decrease in the interest to hiphop music and rap (between years 2002 and 2006) and the political conditions in which a considerable number of people with dual identities fled Iran, as a reaction to the commercializations in culture, in this case the Persian-rap and hiphop, Soroush Lashkari (Hichkas) turned into the rapper who decided to stay in Iran and publish legal music which was rejected by the officials in the Ministry of Culture and Islamic Guidance long before 2010 when he left Iran. Later on he became one of today Iran's renowned rappers. Regardless of the self-released debut album in 2002, his subsequent (2006) well-received album Jangale Asfalt ("Asphalt Jungle"), produced by Mahdyar Aghajani, incorporated a fusion with Middle Eastern harmonies and contributed remarkably to the evolution of Iranian hip hop. He gained international fame after being feature in Bahman Ghobadi's highly political movie "No One Knows about the Persian Cats" in 2009.

Now let's take a look at the article itself to see how we can bring harm to wiki by removing essential material from its pages, Do we feel responsible about it? Greetings, Soso freak (talk) 21:22, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

References

First paragraph

Why does the first paragraph discuss rap in general? This is unneccesary and irrelevant for the introductory paragraph. If there are no objections, I am going to remove all the superfluous information and format the intro paragraph to look similar to that of the Arabic hip hop page. Arspickles17 20:10, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I've done written a more substantial into for the fitst paragraph, don't worry I can arrange the text accordingly to draw a clear picture.Soso freak (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Removal of external links and list of notable artists

Although I don't claim to have much knowledge about Iranian hip hop, I have taken the liberty to change the article quite a bit. This will never become a decent article as long as it is just a long list of "notable" Iranian rappers. For months now, the bulk of edits to the article are the addition or removal of names from that list and no effort whatsoever has been driven towards an encyclopedic treatment of the subject. So I've removed the external links section (see WP:EL for guidelines on the subject), dug up one reference (not that good but at least it's a positive example), cleaned up the intro and removed the list of notable artists. I think it would also do the article a lot of good if people started separating rap in Iran from rap in the Iranian diaspora. Pascal.Tesson 02:02, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I made some improvements. But the internal links need to be made and replace the external ones. I'll get to it whenever I can. I have a ton of other articles to tend to.--Zereshk 00:43, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree, it is better to improve the whole definitions and to draw a bright picture of the whole movement plus several cultural-origins. By the way I'm working on some related topics (like music-style in wiki-farsi) and will defiantly work on this, too.Soso freak (talk) 11:40, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

EY

im gonna edit this whole thing make it good perfect with section for history, beefs, current development, Controversies

it will ROCXK!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.241.29 (talk) 10:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Make it clear.Soso freak (talk) 11:26, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, indeed I read your message years later, but as you may be able to see, I tried to develop the text, using the Wikipedia guidelines for it. This was/ is not my only contribution that I could make but rather to try to contribute to a certain field in the sub-culture. Indeed, the whole thing in 2008 was incomparable to what we observe as it's history. It is a pity to miss your message here, I guess I left it without an answer because I'd rather take action or write to you in confidence.

I'm not sure if you will ever see this message, or if I can ping you to receive an email (because you didn't sign into wiki by the time (depending on your preferences)...

But, I do write here what I meant for everyone to read. Not to mention my identity, just like many more people, to preserve and keep the histories of certain cultures, something that may be fare more related to a mentality than to a geography or race. Therefore, I became more and more interested into learning how to write a small text, this can be about music, it's history and ethnographies related to it, specially when speaking about a sub-culture which is usually more rare, and underrepresented or in a sense oppressed. It is not about the Wikipedia and HipHop music, or if I enjoy editing pages about skating or Funk music, it is about a small but brilliant history.

This is not only about the Wikipedia, a lot of people may find it essential to contribute to history, as we see in the Graffiti art how there are online archives for certain walls, with layers and layers of paintings like a time capsule in the digital media. We have already preserved the music itself (or the video) hopefully - thanks to the digital media these days, but do we have an account or tale of how these movements usually start? Let's find about the significance of it, and that's my answer. Soso freak (talk) 20:32, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

this is awful

I don't know who wrote this in general but this isn't what it should be. i don't see anything about Yas or tohi but i see A2 or daad which are not known for 99% of the people. let me say this I am a big fan and a close friend of Yas and I know what he is doin' for persian rap, making clips with gobi (tupacs director) and signing contract with mediba production and singing songs with great american rappers is something we should appreciate so let make this page great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meelod (talk • contribs) 13:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

It's true that daad ain't as famous as yas, but it's definitely the best persian hip hop group out there... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.195.90.251 (talk) 10:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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I suggest you get an account, then you can help us improve articles.  Chzz  ►  09:37, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

 Not done

Dear unsigned user, be sure that many others are working, having relations, contracts with Mr.Rahimi without mentioning it like this here. It's not a good way of advertising for an artist who can express himself. I believe that you have to go ask about the old-old Tehran-based clan 021 which is now active. Imagine, they are not even on wiki It's not a big deal...Soso freak (talk) 11:35, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Removal of the template:reflist

Hi, I removed the template regarding needing references/inlign citation that was on the face of the article because as of today (8/18/14) this article has more than 20 references and shows clear inlign citation. The date on the old template was from 01/2012, since this has clearly been updated it seemed irrelevant, if anyone disagrees please feel free to discuss here. Jooojay (talk) 17:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Can these examples be merged in the text?

Dear wikipedians,

I am wondering, are all these examples of Iranian rappers needed as listed now? There is already a separate Wikipedia page with a list of Iranian rappers. Maybe it would be more clear to incorporate those examples in the text. I am currently editing the page and will incorporate the examples in different headers. If you think in addition it will still need the examples listed as they were, please let me know. The page will need more structure anyways, and I believe the text could flow better.

- User: Luvbwiki ~~~~~ Luvbwiki (talk) 14:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Add 'rivalry' to themes?

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Should the following section be added to the new subheader themes? Please review my edits in this new subheader.

Rivalry

In Tehran there is a rivalry and tension ongoing between East Tehran and West Tehran rappers. This rivalry is influenced by their economic and social status. Many rappers from East Tehran belong to lower middle class or lower class, which is why they tend to make hip hop as a social and political commentary. They discuss topics like poverty and economic and social discrimination. Rappers from West Tehran often cover topics like parties, and lifestyles associated with a high socio-economic status. Rappers from East Tehran look down upon the rappers from the West part of the city.

Source: Golpushnezhad, Elham (2018). "Untold Stories of DIY/Underground Iranian Rap Culture: The Legitimization of Iranian Hip-Hop and the Loss of Radical Potential". Cultural Sociology. 12 (2): 260–275. doi:10.1177/1749975518769001

- Luvbwiki (talk) 17:34, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I think this section is very interesting and adding it is a great idea! I have one suggestion, in the source you linked this rivalry is described as occurring mainly in the early period the author is talking about (2000-2003) without any mention of whether or in what form this rivalry still exists. I think it would be good if you could adjust the text slightly to reflect this:) Aljosja4321 (talk) 20:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aljosja4321,

Thank you for your reply and insights! I will make sure that the time period is clear when I add it.

- Luvbwiki (talk) 09:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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