Talk:Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali

This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.

If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.

Biography: Politics and Government

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography
	This article is supported by the politics and government work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Malaysia Low‑importance

	Malaysia portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Malaysia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Malaysia and Malaysia-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.MalaysiaWikipedia:WikiProject MalaysiaTemplate:WikiProject MalaysiaMalaysia
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Women

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of women on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.WomenWikipedia:WikiProject WomenTemplate:WikiProject WomenWikiProject Women

On 29 October 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Hasmah Mohamad Ali to Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali. The result of the discussion was moved.

Hasmah Name Change

Perusal of government record as far as 1975 shows 'Dr. (Puan) Siti Hasmah binti Haji Mohd Ali'. ^[1]

Notwithstanding, the BLP's name change has yet to gain currency in the reliable sources. The old name should be preserved in the meantime.

Shortcut

WP:NAMECHANGES

Sreeking (talk) 23:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good find, but I doubt the accuracy of the names displayed in the records as in the reference URL. I don't think those names are based on legal names (or to be exact, identity card names?).

For example, Muhyiddin Yassin's identity card name is in fact“Mahiaddin bin Md. Yasin”. In the above URL, there are no such records of “Mahiaddin”, but there are a bunch of records of “Muhyiddin”. Win98sefq99 (talk) 12:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not disagreeing with you. For Muhyiddin, their official record shows Mahiaddin, but commonly referred to as Muhyiddin. Their BLP' title is Muhyiddin Yassin, despite what the government record shows otherwise.

For Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali, their official name and commonly referred name is Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali. The announcement for Hasmah Mohamad Ali is very recent. A search shows that the LP's former name has been used to name after many things. The commonly referred name should be used for the BLP. KingParijata (talk) 03:09, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.istiadat.gov.my/semakan-penerima-darjah-kebesaran-bintang-dan-pingat/

Requested move 29 October 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Consensus exists to move back to the original title. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 08:43, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hasmah Mohamad Ali → Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali – The article in question was originally titled 'Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali'. An editor renamed the title to 'Hasmah Mohamad Ali' without any previous discussion. The BLP's name change has yet to gain currency in the reliable mainstream sources. The old name/title should be maintaind in the meantime.

Shortcut

WP:NAMECHANGES

Perusal of government record as far as 1975 also shows 'Dr. (Puan) Siti Hasmah binti Haji Mohd Ali'. ^[1]

References

^ https://www.istiadat.gov.my/semakan-penerima-darjah-kebesaran-bintang-dan-pingat/

Sreeking (talk) 00:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 07:00, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editors, a quick check indicates that the name 'Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali' has been in use for a very long time and the former is commonly used to refer to the LP. A quick search also shows that many things have been named after the LP's old name. The announcement of name change is very recent and has not been in use for a long time. The new name should gain some currency before changing the name to Hasmah Mohamad Ali, in line with Wikipedia's name change policies.

Shortcut

WP:NAMECHANGES

Sreeking (talk) 02:45, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Heatherfix @Fandi89, I noticed you made changes to the BLP. Perhaps you might be interested in this discussion. Thanks! Sreeking (talk) 02:54, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: previous move

 09:20, 27 October 2024 Heather Fix talk contribs block  79 bytes +79  Heather Fix moved page Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali to Hasmah Mohamad Ali: Misspelled

gives no rationale, in fact the edit summary seems blatantly misleading, as do the claims that all or nearly all of this user's edits are minor edits, such as this one. Andrewa (talk) 08:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move back to Siti Hasmah Mohamad Ali. In the absence of support for the undiscussed bold move, it should be reversed. Nom also makes a good argument that the current name of Hasmah Mohamad Ali does not have sufficient attestation, not yet at least. So we have two independent reasons supporting this requested move, either of them sufficient. Andrewa (talk) 09:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] ttps://www.istiadat.gov.my/semakan-penerima-darjah-kebesaran-bintang-dan-pingat/

[2] ttps://www.istiadat.gov.my/semakan-penerima-darjah-kebesaran-bintang-dan-pingat/

[1]

[1]