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He didn't get rejected from the Daily Bruin

See interview with Daily Princtonian http://dailyprincetonian.com/news/2013/10/qa-washington-post-reporter-and-wonkblog-editor-ezra-klein/

Fixed that reference, why would he apply to work for UC Santa Cruz's school newspaper if he went to UCLA? Doesn't make much sense.--The lorax (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Breitbart, confusing Constitution etc

I have removed this section - Breitbart is not by any standards a reliable source, but rather a biased advocacy group. Furthermore, the allegations are disputed by Klein himself. ThatOtherMike (talk) 12:55, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Breitbart is a lot more reliable than Klein. 98.175.27.173 (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Untitled

To retain this article, please:

Find biographical information from unbiased source. Note that as a biography of a living person, all facts must be cited.

Establish relevance and noteriety.

It seems like he's pretty notable given his publications and press credentials. Also with the greatest of respect it would seem that you'd be in a better position to throw around declarative sentences like "To retain this article, please:" if you a) had an account as opposed to an ip and b) got basic facts right (like that his blog is not defunct). All the best, Makgraf 08:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, did not have account any more (thanks to somebody stealing my password.) I have been using and editing Wikipedia for about 2.5 years.

I use the declarative since this article was mostly written by one or two people and I assume they (including you) are watching it for changes. As the creator and major contributor, you obviously know more about the subject than most; please cite where you got your facts. Per the policy on biographies of living persons, "Unsourced or poorly sourced controversial (negative, positive, or just highly questionable) material about living persons should be removed immediately from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, and user pages." While not controversial, this material is not sourced.

Furthermore, at two previous accesses, the current blog link led to a holder page advertising web hosting services. It is now linked correctly to a blog.

NotHenryMak 22:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry about your account and flattered at being called a major contributor (though I actually only created the article with 2 sentences, made a couple of cosmetic changes). I'm also not particularly knowledgable about Klein though I guess probably do know more than most people just because I read his blog and the vast majority of people don't (or to put it another way that I know he exists while most do not). Certainly, it's a good thing to add more sources and I will start looking for some. I'm curious though why you did not put up one of these Template:Unreferenced] instead of a deletion. I haven't really heard an argument about him being non-notable. Makgraf 04:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Which sentences do people think need citations. Also I'm aware about the distaste for citing blogs but should we for blog-specific stuff / biographical things? Makgraf 22:18, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

center left

should it be mentioned that he is center-left?

http://ezrak.blogspot.com/2003_02_23_archive.html#89760009

"This often leads to me, as a moderate democrat, defending the right against a 25 person onslaught" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.62.95.59 (talk) 02:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I don't think I'd classify him as center-left, certainly he's no fan of centrism [1] (or at least centrism qua centrism). He very well could be a moderate compared to campus lefties but still be on the liberal edge of the overall political sphere. Makgraf 05:45, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever his political stripe, a discussion of it in some detail is warranted. This is a systemic problem with Wikipedia. The political orientation of political figures is often omitted or at least given short shrift. ---Dagme (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

his bio should also include his religin as he is jewish----

How did the preceding ignorant comment get on this page without attribution? Does the writer mean that the bio's of all Jews should include their religion? Christians too? ---Dagme (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, the article says:

"Klein is a middle child,[3] raised in a Jewish family. Religiously, he now identifies as an agnostic.[4] His father is a math professor, his mother an artist.[3]"

What more does the above troll want? ---Dagme (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

JournoList

This private website/forum/mailing list he created has been getting a bit of attention over the last week. Here's an article about it: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20086.html . I don't think it has yet risen to the level of notability that requires it being mentioned in the article, but it's something to keep an eye on.Lord of the Ping (talk) 17:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mickey Kaus posted some excerpts from Journolist. It looks like a Google Groups: http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/archive/2009/03/26/journolist-revealed-inside-the-liberal-media-email-cabal.aspx. --Lord of the Ping (talk) 14:48, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think a brief mention might be okay. Go for it! Obviously remember to keep it neutral, rather than something like, "zOmg, the librul-Obamedia is cabaling!!1!". :-) Mahalo. --Ali'i 15:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely think it needs to be mentioned here. I was going to make a whole article on it. If you want, we could compromise and mention it here instead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.82.57.163 (talk) 15:14, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I added the section. Edit and improve please.Lord of the Ping (talk) 19:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Looks sweet. I don't think we need more. It's for others to debate the project itself (and in forums other than Wiki). Only tweaks I would have are some tiny prose style things. And (I think) the Kaus 2007 reference was rather an oblique reference to the group (used a nickname for it and just had a gibe in passing) (which explains why it never came up as an issue before the Politico kerfuffle and why it had no public knowledge, Lexus/Nexus, etc.) 72.82.57.163 (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand how you are restarting the ref numbers in each section. And not displaying the text refernce, but just an external link. Have not seen this on other articles. Think this is not normal wiki format. 72.82.57.163 (talk) 02:19, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Changed.Lord of the Ping (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the controversial life and death of Journolist, I think this section ought to be turned into a separate WP article. The role that it played in the David Weigel affair, the questions it raised about a "secret" confab between "liberal" journalists, and so forth, make it notable on its own. If anybody wishes to make a good start on such a page, I will try to plug in some additional information that has come to light in the last week or so from major print media and the blogosphere. One thing that has leaked out imperfectly is the names of many of the participants. A handful are mentioned in the Ezra Klein bio but several other names have come to light via their own admission in recent days.~Mack2~ (talk) 16:59, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That might be overkill, it's a mere email list. If it's relevant to a person the necessary info can be included in his/her article. Hekerui (talk) 17:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. At this point I don't think there's enough material to even create a full article. As far as I know right now there's the Calderone article from a year ago, a bunch of blog posts, and maybe a few news article that offer additional details. My suggestion would be to update and polish this section, and leave it here for now.Lord of the Ping (talk) 18:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dec 09 dispute with Charles Lane

The existing description of the recent dispute between Ezra Klein and Charles Lane of the WaPo looks awfully full of POV to me. It omits the premises of Klein's original criticism of Lieberman and oversimplifies it in a way sympathetic with his critics. I've elaborated in my recent edit as so:

In December 2009, Klein wrote an article in the Washington Post that because Senator Joe Lieberman was motivated to oppose health care legislation in part out of resentment at liberals for being defeated in the 2006 Connecticut Democratic Primary, it meant that Lieberman was "willing to cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people in order to settle an old electoral score."

This is much clearer, but the first sentence feels bulky and awkward to me. If someone else wants to clean it up, feel free. Amezuki (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed it. Talk of a spat between two bloggers really doesn't warrant mention. People will have forgotten about this episode in a couple weeks.Jaboles (talk) 05:47, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. You justified this edit by minimizing both their noteworthiness as individuals and the noteworthiness of the incident by misrepresenting this as a "span between two bloggers." This is wrong on two levels. The first is that both Klein and Lane are paid columnists at the Washington Post. Wikipedia policy is clear on the use of blogs in sourcing, but rightfully has little to say about the noteworthiness of an individual based on whether they are or were a blogger. The second is that this wasn't simply a "spat"--it was a highly visible exchange across several days between two columnists at the WaPo concerning Senator Joe Lieberman and health care reform. It was notable enough for Senator Lieberman's office to start calling around asking about Klein, and notable enough to draw responses from, say, the Cato Institute and politicians on both sides of the issue. As to when "people" may forget about this incident, I submit that not only can neither of us make any credible predictions to that effect one way or another, the question of whether an incident is notable has at best a tangential relationship to how many people remember it after X weeks, considering the turnover in the contemporary 24-hour news cycle.

The wholesale deletion of this section was inappropriate. I am reverting the change. If you feel that parts of it are awkward and could be phrased better, I agree and invite you or anyone else to improve it. But please refrain from deleting it again. Amezuki (talk) 22:46, 16 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No I'm minimizing the event because things like this happen every couple weeks with almost any blogger. I keep up with Ezra and think his contributions are valuable. But this is a section about his career, not current events. And I don't see how the wholesale deletion of a paragraph by me is any more egregious than the addition of the paragraph by someone who thought it was worthy. This just does not seem like a worthy detail about learning the story of Ezra Klein. Maybe with time it will prove to be a defining moment, but there is no proof of that at the moment. (edit: I always forget to sign these things) Jaboles (talk) 06:01, 17 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More JournoList members

The Daily Caller has published exchanges on JournoList regarding the shaping of press coverage over the relationship between Barack Obama and Jeremiah Wright which reveals the names of many more JournoList members, including Richard Kim, Spencer Ackerman, Michael Tomasky, Thomas Schaller, Jonathan Stein, Jared Bernstein, Holly Yeager, Joe Conason, David Greenberg, David Roberts, Todd Gitlin, Chris Hayes, Katha Pollitt, Mark Schmitt, and Kevin Drum. Also, writing on his blog FiveThirtyEight, Nate Silver identified himself as a former Journolist member on June 27 and again on July 21.~Mack2~ (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm wondering if there is getting to be enough material, including the David Weigel stuff, to split "JournoList" off into its own article. Kelly ^hi! 06:11, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like biggovernment.com will be providing more material to fill out a separate entry on Journolist. The listserv was a brilliant idea and congrats to Klein on his biggest story yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.171.0.143 (talk) 15:13, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A separate article would probably be a good idea since the Weigel stuff is what's most important and it's awkward to cover that in this article.Prezbo (talk) 16:20, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

More members outed by The New Republic - Rich Yeselson and Ed Kilgore. Kelly ^hi! 03:12, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And another expose from The Daily Caller - this time with members wishing for the death of Rush Limbaugh and hoping to shut down Fox News. Kelly ^hi! 05:01, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kelly: I'm wondering if there is getting to be enough material, including the David Weigel stuff, to split "JournoList" off into its own article. Yeah, I think we're there. If that section gets much bigger it might be criticized for WP:WEIGHT, and yet important material just keeps being reported. Two promising areas of expansion are a "Reaction" section and a list of members. With 400 members and names dribbling out all the time, a list might make it's own article after a while. The list could be a table with that feature that could order by name or workplace. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck, I'll create it: JournoList. There. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 19:29, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good, I think it needs its own article now.Lord of the Ping (talk) 19:34, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Constitution comment

Even mentioning this non-notable "event", let alone devoting an entire section to it, smacks of WP:RECENTISM. 75.76.213.106 (talk) 07:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Does it really belong in an encyclopedia article that he is a middle child? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.44.18 (talk) 15:14, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Improvements for consideration

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Hello! On behalf of Vox Media, and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I'd like to propose some corrections and updates to this Wikipedia article for community review. There are 5 parts to this request, which should not take long to review, but I'm happy to address them one at a time if editors prefer. Following are the suggested edits:

1. Currently, the last sentence of the introduction reads: "In January 2014, Klein left The Washington Post, and now works for Vox Media as editor-at-large for their news website, Vox." The lead fails to communicate that Klein actually co-founded the website, which greatly contributes to his notability. I propose extending the sentence to properly credit him and his colleagues by changing the sentence to "In January 2014, Klein left The Washington Post, and now works for Vox Media as editor-at-large for their news website, Vox, which he founded along with Melissa Bell and Matthew Yglesias."

2. Secondly, I'd like to identify an error. The "Career" section says, "Klein announced he would be leaving the Washington Post in January 2014, with the intent to start a new media venture with several other veteran journalists. The new media venture was soon identified as Vox Media, which hired Klein and several associates to create a new politics site." This is factually inaccurate because Vox Media was already in existence, and Ezra Klein, Melissa Bell, and Matthew Yglesias decided to partner with the company to launch the website. I propose replacing with the following text: "Klein announced he would be leaving The Washington Post in January 2014, with the intent to launch a new politics site for Vox Media, along with journalists Melissa Bell and Matthew Yglesias."

3. The New York Times has said Klein's interview of President Barack Obama in 2015 signified acceptance of digital news organizations like Vox and BuzzFeed News. I propose the following addition to the "Career" section: "Klein interviewed President Barack Obama in 2015, which The New York Times said was indicative of a growing acceptance of digital news organizations."^[1] or similar. Following is markup for the New York Times source:

<ref>{{cite news |last1=Ember |first1=Sydney |title=Vox and BuzzFeed Obtain Interviews With Obama |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/09/business/media/vox-and-buzzfeed-obtain-interviews-with-obama.html?login=email&auth=login-email |accessdate=August 7, 2018 |work=The New York Times |date=February 8, 2015}}</ref>

4. I'd like to propose an update to the end of the "Career" section, which currently reads: "In October 2015, Klein, along with Sarah Kliff and Matt Yglesias, launched The Weeds, a Vox podcast of detailed discussions on public policy." I propose adding mention of another (self-titled) podcast he hosts, as well as credit for serving as executive producer of Netflix series Explained: "He also hosts the podcast "The Ezra Klein Show".^[2] Klein is an executive producer of the Netflix series Explained, which debuted in 2018.^[3]" Other sources could be used to verify the claims, but if The Atlantic and NBC News are suitable, here's citation markup:

<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Thompson |first1=Matt |title=A Podcast Listener's Guide to the 2016 Election |journal=The Atlantic |date=November 5, 2016 |url=https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/11/podcasts-2016-election/506651/ |accessdate=August 7, 2018}}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news |title=Vox steps out of the news cycle in Netflix series |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/vox-steps-out-of-the-news-cycle-in-netflix-series-1240003139871 |accessdate=August 7, 2018 |publisher=[[NBC News]] |date=May 23, 2018}}</ref>

5. Finally, I propose correcting the "Personal life" section, which currently says, "Klein is married to Annie Lowrey, an economic policy reporter at The New York Times." This is no longer accurate. Lowrey now writes for The Atlantic, and has also worked for Slate and the Washington Independent, among other publications. I propose either describing her using her current role ("Klein is married to Annie Lowrey, a politics and economic policy reporter for The Atlantic.", per the introduction of her Wikipedia article) or using more general wording ("Klein is married to journalist Annie Lowrey."); either way, an update is required.

My goal is to fix a couple errors and update the article a bit. I do not edit the main space directly, given my COI, and I'm seeking assistance from volunteer editors to review and implement these corrections and updates appropriately. Are any page watchers willing to take a look? I'm happy to address questions or concerns here or on my talk page. Thank you for any help in advance. Inkian Jason (talk) 19:33, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thank you for respecting the WP:COI process. I incorporated feedback points 1,2,4 and 5, with some minor tweaks. Section three is interesting for Vox page, though I do understand Klein is an integral part of Vox. Shushugah (talk) 21:42, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Shushugah: Thank you for reviewing this request and updating the article appropriately. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Ember, Sydney (February 8, 2015). "Vox and BuzzFeed Obtain Interviews With Obama". The New York Times. Retrieved August 7, 2018.
^ Thompson, Matt (November 5, 2016). "A Podcast Listener's Guide to the 2016 Election". The Atlantic. Retrieved August 7, 2018.
^ "Vox steps out of the news cycle in Netflix series". NBC News. May 23, 2018. Retrieved August 7, 2018.

Marriage to Annie Lowrey

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@Shushugah: Another editor removed the "Personal life" section altogether. However, there are sources confirming Ezra Klein and Annie Lowrey are married, such as this one and this one. Do you mind updating the article appropriately? Perhaps the following:

Extended content

==Personal life==
Klein is married to [[Annie Lowrey]],<ref>{{cite web|last=Stoeffel |first=Kat |url=http://observer.com/2011/10/mazel-tov-media-power-couple/ |title=Mazel Tov, Media Power Couple |publisher=Observer.com |date=2013-01-15 |accessdate=2018-08-21}}</ref> an economic policy reporter at ''[[The Atlantic]]''.<ref>{{Cite news|url=https://www.theatlantic.com/press-releases/archive/2018/03/the-atlantic-announces-ideas-columnists-ibram-x-kendi-annie-lowrey-alex-wagner-and-kevin-d-williamson/556301/|title=The Atlantic Names Columnists Ibram X. Kendi, Annie Lowrey, Alex Wagner, and Kevin D. Williamson|date=2018-03-22|work=The Atlantic|access-date=2018-08-21|language=en-US}}</ref>

Inkian Jason (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Shushugah returned the content with this edit. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 23:22, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy/Believability

Please elucidate how a self-described non-engaged high school student with a 2.2 GPA can get accepted into the University of California at Santa Cruz, a school with numerous renown alumni. 2602:306:CD0E:A940:5D4:8618:81AD:FB5E (talk) 17:53, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Ember, Sydney (February 8, 2015). "Vox and BuzzFeed Obtain Interviews With Obama". The New York Times. Retrieved August 7, 2018.

[2] Thompson, Matt (November 5, 2016). "A Podcast Listener's Guide to the 2016 Election". The Atlantic. Retrieved August 7, 2018.

[3] "Vox steps out of the news cycle in Netflix series". NBC News. May 23, 2018. Retrieved August 7, 2018.

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