Talk:Destruction of cultural heritage by the Islamic State

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Hi, further translations of this article into other important languages are needed. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 06:54, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page name & theft aspect

It only seems to be covered in the lead, but per my 'bold' edit here, perhaps this page needs to be expanded a little to cover the theft of artefacts more? I was actually coming to query whether it should be renamed "Destruction and theft of cultural heritage by ISIL"?

But on a closer look I found only the lead mentioned "theft", "looted" and "plundering" of temples. How widespread is the looting? Pinging Brandmeister who started this page, so may know more. 220 of ^Borg 05:25, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support the inclusion of theft and looting as a separate section. However, this is a relatively common thing during war so I don't think changing the article's title would be good, as the emphasis is the deliberate destruction, a far less common thing. Brandmeister^talk 10:03, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. I actually dislike changing titles if it's not necessary, it makes working out page view figures more difficult! 220 of ^Borg 17:04, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely agree. Depending on your definitions of 'heritage' and 'destruction', I would argue that looting (or other methods by which artifacts are removed from historical sites) or desecration of historical sites can be considered destruction of heritage. RejectedOwl24 (talk) 12:09, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So they're blowing up their own stuff?

Hey, good for them, I guess. Why is this our problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.77.52.140 (talk) 19:36, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Blowing up World Heritage Sites is not just "blowing up their own stuff", it is deliberate destruction of a site which is significant on a worldwide scale. Xwejnusgozo (talk) 20:47, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which would you prefer they blow up: statues or schools? 70.77.52.140 (talk) 16:17, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They DO blow up schools. No offense but only complete cretins wouldn't see the destruction of ancient Mesopotamian artefacts and sites as a massive travesty. These things were supposed to be enjoyed by future generations! Now they are smashed to dust. ISIL also have murdered millions of men, women and children, human beings for heaven's sake! The callous neglect of this issue from people like you and a plethora of moronic alt-rightists and the cruder versions of leftists are why the world is turning into an abominable hell The Mummy (talk) 11:12, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

More Precise Information Needed

Could whoever is editing this article please add more details about the ages of the things destroyed? This is so a more exact assessment of the cultural loss, which in any case is very great, can be made. There is some such information, but not enough. Quite a few of the items listed include modern reconstructions or outright modern structures. These too are valuable, but it would be nice to know from what era each item is. Of course, it is true that some of these structures were built and rebuilt over a long period, so that exact dates cannot then be assigned, and others have exaggerated ages claimed for them, particularly those pertaining to existing religions, but it would still be really helpful to have more exactness of dating things. This would also show how the destroyers' hostility to heritage is not confined to items from one period but runs the whole gamut of history.LCalpurniusPiso (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Destruction of notable modern buildings

I don't know, but could notable modern buildings which were destroyed by ISIS, such as the Olympic Stadium in Ramadi, be included in this article? The Russian Wikipedia article mentions the destruction of the Olympic Stadium. What are others' views on this? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Allegations of Jewish Involvement in the Destruction of Palmyra?

regarding the section: Allegations of Jewish Involvement in the Destruction of Palmyra

Is this a WP:Fringe view or Conspiracy_theory? Does it merit a whole section and 3 paragraphs? Should it even be in this article? Even if it is reported someone stated the view, what facts do they have to make it a reliable statement?

--CuriousMind01 (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This story has been cited in several mainstream publications (e.g. the Jerusalem Post, International Business Times) so it should be mentioned here. To be clear, the allegations expressed here are about as laughable as earlier claims that Israel was responsible for an increase in shark attacks in the Red Sea [1] [2]. But the fact these theories exist, and are promoted by "experts" (Ali al-Nashmi is a prominent Iraqi historian and archaeologist, while Walid Al-As'ad is the Director of Palmyra Museum), should be noted. Including it here is actually far more embarrassing to these "experts" (and the television station that airs this crap) than it is offensive.(Hyperionsteel (talk) 00:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC))[reply]

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Royal Palace of Mari

Much of the Royal Palace of Mari was plundered by ISIS.^[1] It should be integrated into the article. Thriley (talk) 04:14, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/apr/19/destruction-at-the-ancient-site-of-mari-in-syria

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