Talk:Batman in film

Why is Return of the Caped Crusaders missing?

After Batman the Movie came a second spin off from the 60's tv series: Return of the Caped Crusaders. Should be there but it isn't — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.144.202.249 (talk) 20:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Does Joker count as a Batman film in the 'Academy Awards' and British Academy Film Awards' sections?

I thought this might be an appropriate question to ask regarding the awards recognition of Joker being included under the Batman-specific umbrella of films. And if it does indeed count, would it be 'Outside the DC Extended Universe'? Also, if that is the case shouldn't Joaquin Phoenix's performance be included the same way Heath Ledger's performance in The Dark Knight is explicitly referenced in the 'Academy Awards' and 'British Academy Film Awards'?

The Joker film has got more plot relevance to Batman's character and mythology than say Suicide Squad (where the character only cameos), which can be supported and/or debated by Thomas Wayne, Bruce Wayne's father, being a key aspect in Joker's story. With this in mind Arthur Fleck's arc concerning finding out who his father really is never actually gets resolved in the movie; it's only implied that Fleck may be a Wayne but the film never explicitly shows Arthur's true heritage: further fueling his descent to madness.

If anyone feels this suggestion is inappropriate, please reply and let me know your thoughts on the matter. It would be greatly appreciated. Internet Informant (talk) 17:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2020

My request is that the connection to the 2019 movie "joker" be removed as batman does not appear nor is mentioned in the movie, it is merely set in the same universe. Thank you. 77.103.28.30 (talk) 22:33, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This movie seems inherently related to the Batman franchise so mentioning it seems quite pertinent, though I see the potential case why one would not want to include it. Since this is a matter of editorial opinion it would require consensus. Feel free to wait for input from other more topic-knowledgeable editors. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

See also the section immediately above this one... RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:25, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Strange choice of photos for Batman actors.

Hi, I'm not in position to edit the page, but just wanted to make a suggestion to those who can. The pictures of Adam West, Michael Keaton and George Clooney were all taken years after they played Batman. I am not sure about the other actors.

Perhaps more contemporary pictures would suit the article. I was thinking the most relevant pictures of each actor would be a picture of them portraying Bruce Wayne.

Regarding Zack Snyder's Justice League

The article isn't accurate - Chris Terrio is the only screenwriter (as opposed to the original JL movie) and the producers are only Charles Roven, Deborah Snyder, without Jon Berg and Geoff Johns.

Source:

https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2020/06/16/welcome-to-the-dc-fandome

" About Justice League: The Justice League screenplay is by Chris Terrio, story by Chris Terrio & Zack Snyder, based on characters from DC, Superman created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster. The film’s producers are Charles Roven, Deborah Snyder, with executive producers Christopher Nolan, Emma Thomas, Jim Rowe, Ben Affleck, Wesley Coller, Curtis Kanemoto, and Chris Terrio. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.66.236.210 (talk) 07:39, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Zack Snyder's Justice League needs to be added

There is no mention of Zack Snyder's Justice League on the page. And in the Justice League 2017 section there is no mention of Whedon's work on the project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pineapple4321 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Typo - Joss Wheadon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_in_film#Zack_Snyder's_Justice_League_(2021)

Please change "Wheadon" to "Whedon" - just Ctrl+F for "Joss Wheadon" if you can't find it. Why is it always the locked articles with the typos?

-αβοοδ (talk) 21:00, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done El Millo (talk) 21:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Superman: Flyby section clarification

The section of Superman: Flyby refers to J.J. Abrams simply as "Abrams;" I'd suggest adding J.J. to the first mention of his name to clarify. Ctrl+F shows that nowhere in this article is he referred to by his full name.

2600:6C5A:6680:17BE:6065:E2D6:D94F:28EF (talk) 18:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Removing Suicide Squad from “Batman” Movie list

Can someone with a solid DC knowledge present a solid reason why Suicide Squad is included under the Batman movies? IMHO this should only list the franchise movies, I understand that the Batman cartoon movies need be included but Suicide Squad (along with a few of the others) need to be removed. Herenow44 (talk) 04:16, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold should be added

I would suggest that Scooby-Doo! & Batman: The Brave and the Bold should be added. It seems most fitting for it to go under the Animated films > With other heroes > Direct-to-video section, but that's potentially confusing as Scooby-Doo and the gang aren't superheroes. Either way, the film is missing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LSD-soldier (talk • contribs) 12:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Portal bar misuse

The documentation of Template:Portal bar specifically says "This template does not belong in the "See also" section" (please also note that the alternative Template:Portal says "there is no need to create a new section just to house this template").

Please remove it entirely or move it down with the Navboxes or change it to use the Template:Portal box. -- 109.78.199.198 (talk) 03:51, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Manticore 23:19, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Justice League (2017) Director Credit should be changed.

The Justice League (2017) names Joss Whedon as the sole director. This is incorrect, Zack Snyder was the director for principal photography while Joss Whedon directed additional photography. Scenes from both directors are included in the final film. 187.141.177.40 (talk) 20:16, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Fixed, Snyder is credited as the director of Jusice League, despite Whedon's reshoots. —El Millo (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 July 2022

Under the heading "The Dark Knight (2008)", change the main article link from "Main article: The Dark Knigh" (which does not exist) to "Main article: The Dark Knight". ReddyAashish (talk) 14:44, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 14:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Split of The Dark Knight trilogy to its own article

A few days ago, I split out The Dark Knight trilogy section to its own article, but I was reverted because there was already an AfD that closed as merge. I do apologize for this split, as I was unaware of the AfD.

Do editors here think that a split could be warranted? The Dark Knight trilogy of movies is widely acclaimed, so I believe there can be a large amount of information that could be covered in a separate article, such as production details, casting information, and accolades / legacy that should be separated out from this general Batman in film article. Natg 19 (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't think there's a need to do so, especially because similar articles such as Spider-Man in film, Superman in film, Fantastic Four in film, etc. have not been split either. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:21, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2023

Hi! I just wanted to point out that the Tim Burton movies are a different universe than the Joel Schumacher movies. DC originally wanted them to be in the same universe but they were too different so years later they finally separated them. In 2020, DC made this official when they retconned the two Schumacher films; officially separating the anthology into two separate universes. I ask that we separate the universes on this Wikipedia page.

Thank you!

Sources: -https://screenrant.com/batman-forever-robin-retcon-flash-movie-michael-keaton/ -https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/flash-ignore-batman-batman-robin-michael-keatons-return/ Theknux67 (talk) 01:36, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

That's like saying Superman III and IV aren't part of the same universe as the first two because Superman Returns ignores them. That was a retcon, meaning retroactive change. It doesn't imply anything about the original conception of the continuity or change the fact that they were released as part of the film series. Swordofneutrality (talk) 07:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. M.Bitton (talk) 12:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

The DCEU can do whatever it wants when it comes to canonicity, but it does not affect the original series. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Joker 2019 and 2024 films as part of franchise

These two films should be treated by the article, or at least the recurring characters table, as part of the franchise. Joker is not really a standalone franchise but a spinoff. The films also feature the characters of not only Joker but Bruce, Alfred, Thomas, Martha, and Harley. It's worth displaying which actors played these characters in the table. This isn't like the case of the 2004 Catwoman movie, which featured only a character named Catwoman. Swordofneutrality (talk) 15:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

The reason for the exclusion of 2019's Joker on the character table, from what I've seen, is that Batman himself doesn't appear in it, only Bruce Wayne, which contradicts the title of the article. While Joker is more than worthy of being mentioned and acknowledged in this article, it seems that it has no place in that particular area for that reason. If Folie à Deux features an adult Bruce donning the Batman costume or name, we can add it there, but as of now, we're gonna need a bigger concensus. Zucat (talk) 01:41, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

There's already a Joker (2019) section in this article. What does "Batman" refer to in this article's name? If it refers to characters with the cryptonym Batman, then this section should be removed. If it refers to the Bruce Wayne character, then Justice League: Gods and Monsters, as a film with a different version of Batman, shouldn't be included, and the Joker (2019) actors should be included in the cast table. Swordofneutrality (talk) 08:09, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Which animated theatrical releases count?

Mask of the Phantasm is in the "recurring characters" table and The Killing Joke isn't, even though the latter made $3 million more at the box office. Can someone explain the criteria for animated films in this table? Swordofneutrality (talk) 16:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Article title

@Swordofneutrality: I say that the article title refers to the character because Batman in film doesn't make sense grammatically. If it were referring to the Batman film series, the article would be titled Batman (film series). This article is titled Batman in film because as you noted, the Joker film series is also discussed in the article, as are the DCEU and DCU. None of those film series are called Batman, nor are they all part of the same series. They are, however, all part of the Batman franchise, and they all feature the character Batman in some shape or form. All of our other _____ in film and _____ in other media articles follow this titling convention. InfiniteNexus (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for raising this. If "Batman" in the article name refers not to the franchise but the character called Batman, should Joker, which features only a child Bruce, appear so prominently in the Box office performance, Critical and public response, Academy Awards, British Academy Film Awards, Saturn Awards and Recurring cast and characters sections? I don't think the article name should refer only to "Batman" as a cryptonym, because the cast of characters, box office, and awards of Joker are too noteworthy and too closely tied to films with Batman to omit it from the scope of this article. That's why I think the word Batman should be italicized to indicate the franchise. Swordofneutrality (talk) 19:35, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Again, Batman in film is not gramatically correct. It is understood that "Batman" implicitly refers to Batman and all of his related characters, so I don't think there's any harm in including Joker. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:54, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

We do have Joker in other media (again, referring to the character, like every other article in Category:Comics characters in other media), but that one doesn't have any tables, so this article seems more appropriate for that info, for the sake of completeness. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:43, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

It's not established how the article name is being understood by readers. If anything, the attempts by some editors to restrict the scope to the Batman character suggest the article name is being construed in that way. It's just a bit inconsistent to have all the information about the Joker and Catwoman films in an article by this name. The information should be there but the name isn't accurate. If you think Batman in film isn't grammatically correct since the franchise isn't in the film but represented by the film, then maybe "Batman film franchise" would be suitable (as "series" is too limited). Swordofneutrality (talk) 08:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

You are free to start an RM proposing a move to that title, but keep in mind that editors like to be as WP:CONSISTENT with other articles as possible. Batman in film is not the only article that uses this titling convention, there is also Superman in film, Spider-Man in film, Captain America in film, Flash in film, Fantastic Four in film, and Punisher in film. And then there are our in other media articles as well, none of which are titled _____ (franchise). As an alternative suggestion, perhaps Batman characters in film would work better. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Reorganizing table of films

Hi! I think the table of films should be reorganized a little bit. Right now, it doesn't really make sense why the order is Animated films, Joker films, Dark Knight films. I think a good way to organize is going by last film released as its marker. So the proper order would be: Early films, 1989-1997 films, TDK trilogy, Animated films, DCEU films, Joker universe, The Batman universe, DCU film. 168.149.246.61 (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:The Dark Knight trilogy

Template:The Dark Knight trilogy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Tim Burton's/Joel Schumacher's Batman

Template:Tim Burton's/Joel Schumacher's Batman has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:52, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2023

Aquaman and the lost kingdom is coming December 20th not December 25th 68.32.27.140 (talk) 00:08, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Aquaman_and_the_Lost_Kingdom#Release has the source cited RudolfRed (talk) 01:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 October 2023

Please remove Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom from this article. The reason why I want this removed is because Ben Affleck and Michael Keaton were initially reprising their roles, but in mid-2023, both of them were excluded from the latest cut of the film due to James Gunn and Peter Safran's plans to reboot the DC Extended Universe into their new franchise the DC Universe (DCU). So I am implying that Batman is unlikely show up in the film. 99.209.40.250 (talk) 12:53, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Done. Multiple sources appear to confirm that Batman has been removed following reshoots. Barry Wom (talk) 13:01, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Correction of Joker 2 phrasing.

Article says that the Oct4 release is upcoming, no longer the case. Madamedenim (talk) 13:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

GA concerns

I am concerned that this article no longer meets the good article criteria due to numerous uncited statements including entire paragraphs. Is anyone willing to address this issue, or should this go to WP:GAR? Z1720 (talk) 01:21, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

Batman in film

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: Appears to have been effort or commitment to rework within a week, delist. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

The article contains numerous uncited statements, including entire paragraphs. Some of those statements are plot summaries covered by MOS:PLOT but others are statements that need to be cited. There's also some MOS:OVERSECTION concerns that might need to be addressed or those sections expanded upon. Z1720 (talk) 20:33, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.