Talk:Auckland

"Asians" ethnic group

The article refers to "Asians" quite a bit. I know we have this terminology come up in the media often, but is it a legit ethnic group? Asia is a very big continent with quite a few radically different cultures - Middle East, South East Asia, China, India, etc. I notice that Sydney has a finer grained breakdown and the word "Asian" is not used at all - Demographics_of_Sydney.

Is there any particular reason not to break it down for Auckland? Anon 21:15, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

The census lists 'Asian' as one ethnic group, it doesn't include Middle Easterners who are grouped together with Latin Americas and Africans. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:11, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

The census is also kind of weird, so I think maybe a small change in phrasing would make it clearer that this is census-designated, and distance the tone of the article from the tone of the census since I think the census ethnic breakdown sucks. PlatypusPlatypi (talk) 20:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

There's a wiki link to the relevant article. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

The photos

The photos on this page are fricking amazing! Like seriously legit good stuff, speaking for myself as a really, really bad photo taker person...

What do people think about maybe adding a photo of one of the food storage pits on Maungawhau? Or anything else that acknowledges the pre-European inhabitants of this land? 121.98.194.41 (talk) 09:39, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

By "anything else" I just mean cool photos. Like, what cool stuff do people have out there? 121.98.194.41 (talk) 09:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Nice suggestion, I've added a photo of Maungakiekie / One Tree Hill showing the terracing. E James Bowman (talk) 04:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not acknowledge anything if the sole reason is because an editor wants it acknowledged, so my reply is no. Why not spend some time perusing this website to learn what editors are supposed to do? See your talk page welcome for links. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:05, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Auckland/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: SageWikiPro (talk · contribs) 08:48, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Phlsph7 (talk · contribs) 08:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello SageWikiPro and thanks for the nomination. Unfortunately, the article fails criterion 2b since there are too many unreferenced paragraphs and 15 "citation needed" tags. Examples are the paragraphs starting with "In response to the ongoing rebellion by Hōne Heke in", "Several islands of the Hauraki Gulf are administered", and "Auckland Domain is one of the largest parks in the city". According to criterion 2b, these passages require inline citations "no later than the end of the paragraph". Other maintenance tags in the article include: 2x Update, 2x Expand section, 1x Multiple issues, 1x when?, 1x why?, and 1x permanent dead link. I suggest that you add all the relevant references and address the maintenance tags before a renomination. You might also consider a peer review before another GA nomination.

A few other observations:

• WP:EARWIG spotted several close paraphrases in the section "Modern history"
• Eden Park stadium with statue of Rongomātāne add an article before "statue"
• Northern Mystics and Northern Stars are netball teams who compete replace "who" with "that"
• North Shore Events Centre is an indoor arena which is used replace "which" with "that"
• Vodafone Events Centre is an indoor arena which hosts a variety of events replace "which" with "that"

Phlsph7 (talk) 08:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Planning to add a cross-reference at the top to Oakland, California

See Oakland, California. That article already has a cross-reference at the top to this article because the two cities are so frequently confused. Any objections? Coolcaesar (talk) 18:59, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

They're spelt and pronounced completely differently, who is confusing them? Over the past 5 years the only people who have searched for 'Auckland California' have been from New Zealand [1] so they are unlikely to mistake Auckland with Oakland. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Your Google Trends search has a "geo=NZ" limitation right there in the URL, that's why. If you adjust the scope to "Worldwide," it reveals that searches for "Auckland California" came in from 36 different regions all over the world. So the confusion is quite widespread. --Coolcaesar (talk) 21:48, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

Doesn't work if I remove it. New Zealand is still the overwhelming country of origin for the search and it gets less than a hundred searches a month. It's not something that we need to put a hatnote for. Also Auckland, California actually exists which can explain the searches... Traumnovelle (talk) 22:18, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

The bigger issue is that you're framing your search term far too narrowly to create the incorrect impression that there is no ambiguity. "Auckland California" fails to capture the far larger number of searches for "Auckland" alone by people under the incorrect impression that "Auckland" (when they are actually thinking of Oakland) is the only notable city with that name. Most people outside of NZ are only vaguely familiar with the country from The Lord of the Rings film series.

The confusion between Oakland and Auckland is exactly why Oakland International Airport just changed its name, in part because of confusion with Auckland Airport. See the sources I just added to both airport articles, one of which is the New Zealand Herald, which acknowledge the confusion. --Coolcaesar (talk) 02:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

The largest city of New Zealand is more notable than the third largest city of San Francisco.

The article itself states the name change was not mainly due to confusion and that said confusion was for Chinese speakers, given this is the English language Wikipedia it is not that big a deal if the Chinese language does not differentiate the two cities.

I think more people are aware of New Zealand than the third largest city of San Francisco, but hey surely that's just my Kiwicentrism speaking! Traumnovelle (talk) 02:58, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Well, I have to respectfully disagree. About 8% of Oakland's population and 10% of Auckland's population is of Chinese descent, so this is a serious issue for large numbers of residents of both cities. Also, Oakland has the advantage of numerous mentions in rap songs over the last three decades, especially California Love and Tell Me When to Go, and blockbuster feature films such as Black Panther. --Coolcaesar (talk) 01:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Again, this is the English language Wikipedia. But I had a look and Chinese Wikipedia doesn't appear to have a hatnote about Oakland. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Subtropical?

Not an expert so not changing main page. I think Auckland meets criteria for Köppen Cfa, humid subtropical. Like much of NZ it is extremely maritime which means that the Köppen divisions do not match all that well. 115.189.87.173 (talk) 01:53, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed multiple times previously. See the archives. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:58, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Under the Köppen classification, you need at least one month with a daily mean temperature above 22 °C (72 °F) to qualify for a humid subtropical climate (Cfa). Auckland's highest daily mean temperature is 20.5 °C (68.9 °F) in February, which falls well short and I doubt would even classify it as a borderline case. Lcmortensen (mailbox) 02:23, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Landmarks/notable places

There are over 500 Heritage NZ registered places in the Auckland Region-mostly in the urban area-alone; it'd be out of scope to include every single landmark and notable building/mountain in this article. I say for such a broad topic article these things need coverage in a secondary source about Auckland itself, rather than just a secondary source about the thing itself. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:42, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

You mean for the architecture section? That seems reasonable - mentions in a broad article like this should be features strongly associated with the city, or features that scholars have noted as exceptional and strongly associated with Auckland. Was there anything in particular you had in mind as needing inclusion or exclusion? --Prosperosity (talk) 23:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Nothing in particular, I just deleted an incredibly large mostly unsourced list that had little encyclopaedic value. I want to say there are obvious ones but we should let the sources do the talking for that. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2024 (UTC)