Talk:Roswell incident

DYK nomination?

I'm not familiar with Main Page criteria, but if anyone else would like to nominate this for Did You Know, please do: Wikipedia:Did you know/Create new nomination. Feoffer (talk) 04:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: withdrawn by nominator, closed by Launchballer talk 16:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that in 1947, space aliens landed in New Mexico?

• Source: I know this is pushing it, and this is clearly a false statement, but I think we can get away with it for a quirky hook in a dedicated Halloween set.

• ALT1: ... that the 1947 Roswell hoax has been said to have been part of a "Cosmic Watergate"? Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Enemies_Within/Z8e5YELGGFAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA189&printsec=frontcover
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2024 Ohio Issue 1
• Comment: Please hold for special WT:DYK#Halloween set

Improved to Good Article status by Feoffer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 42 past nominations.

RoySmith (talk) 14:55, 9 October 2024 (UTC).

• It has been pointed out to me that this has been on OTD (multiple times), so I'm withdrawing this nomination. RoySmith (talk) 15:34, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Fund for UFO Research book

Ziegler's Version 5 is the Fund for UFO Research-funded Roswell in Perspective (1994). When adding it to the footnote just now, I started to add it to the table. I am thinking it probably does belong in there if the table is meant to present Ziegler's view. I had left it out originally because no other WP:RS treats it as influential on the UFO community or popular culture (whereas very many agree on his Version 1).

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!''Roswell in Perspective'' (1994)<ref>{{Harvnb|Saler|Ziegler|Moore|pages=25-26}}</ref>	
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* Fragments with symbols	
* Super-strong lightweight metal sheets
* A narrow craft with "bat-like wings" north of Roswell
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* Landed once near Corona, New Mexico, on Brazel's ranch	
* Struck a cliff 35 miles north of Roswell
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* 3 humanoid corpses north of Roswell	
* 1 living humanoid pilot north of Roswell

Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 06:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks for fixing it the footnote! Feoffer (talk) 09:15, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Majestic 12 hoax section

In the "Majestic 12 hoax" section....a couple of things stand out to me:

1. It talks about how (at that 1989 MUFON conference) Bill Moore "confessed that he had intentionally fed fake evidence of extraterrestrials to UFO researchers". That's true....but (and correct me if I am wrong) he did not say that MJ-12 was one of them. In the context of that section, that could mislead people if we don't make that distinction.
2. We present only the "it's a hoax" side of things. I agree that it is a hoax (in case anyone thinks I am pushing a POV here), but there have been arguments from the other side of this. In particular, in Stanton Friedman's works. We bring up the format errors of the documents....but Stanton Friedman (based on a challenge by Phil Klass) found other such errors in government documents. I admit though: with such a short section....would such a addition give the section a BALANCE issue? I'm not sure....that's why I posted here (for other opinions). Thanks for reading.Rja13ww33 (talk) 22:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Regarding your point #2, the thing to stress is that (as I understand it) some ufologists still believe that Majestic 12 existed, despite the fact that the known Majestic 12 documents are widely agreed to be fake and the identities of its members are correspondingly in question. Saying that the organization could not have existed because the documents are phony is affirming a disjunct. Carguychris (talk) 23:07, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Right. IIRC, there has been some speculation that the documents were faked in order to force the government to admit such a organization exist[ed]. I can't think of a RS saying that though. (I saw (for example) a UFO researcher saying that on The History Channel....but The History Channel is not a RS.)Rja13ww33 (talk) 19:09, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Bullet points addressed in article.[1] Regarding "documents were faked in order to force the government to admit such a organization", it's been claimed that Bill Moore proposed something like that by 3 other ufologists, Friedman, Randle, and Brad Sparks.[2] Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Richard Doty

I have RfD's the redirect from Richard Doty to the film Mirage Men because the target article doesn't say anything substantive about Doty. I think this is potentially of interest to people who follow this article. Discussion here. Carguychris (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

TFA blurb

This article passed a featured article review earlier this year and can run on Wikipedia:Today's featured article in the future. To do so it will need a "blurb" which according to WP:TFAR should be a summary of the lead "between 925 and 1025 characters". I've taken a swing at a summary of the lead and put it up on the sandbox page below:

☛ Talk:Roswell incident/sandbox ^{[ starting point permanent link ]}

Since many editors have contributed to this article's development, I wanted to leave a notice here to allow other editors the opportunity to change things, fix errors, offer feedback, and so on. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 05:13, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks good to me! Thanks for doing this.. and everything else! Feoffer (talk) 10:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)