Talk:2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela

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All page history revisions – specifically the "origins" section – until Special:Diff/853938477 were copypasted from Special:Permalink/841441383#2013–present. I'm not sure what needs to be done here, and if anything else is copied without attribution. 84.250.17.211 (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal

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To improve and update both; no consensus for any merge proposal and discussion stale. Klbrain (talk) 16:33, 13 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I propose to merge 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela into Crisis in Venezuela. These articles appear to cover largely the same subject. I see it may be set up that the 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela page is an economics sub-page of Crisis in Venezuela, but the Crisis in Venezuela page already has an Economics section that is practically as large as the whole 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela page. I see two options for fixing this, but if anyone has other ideas I am open to them.

Option A: move content from the 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela page to the Crisis in Venezuela page and turn the 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela page into a redirect

Option B: shorten the Economics section of the Crisis in Venezuela page by moving much of the content to the 2013–present economic crisis in Venezuela page and leaving a summary behind

@Hzh, SandyGeorgia, Cyfraw, Jamez42, ZiaLater, Bdushaw, Davide King, and C.J. Griffin: are editors I saw who have edited one of the articles at least three times in the last year and may want to discuss this; please ping anyone relevant I may have missed. Ikjbagl (talk) 14:54, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Option A - I personally don't think the economic aspect is independent and significant enough to warrant its own page. Ikjbagl (talk) 14:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about the situation to make specific comments. After a quick glance at both articles, I note that they are both quite long. If they were merged, the one would be longer still. Perhaps the present article could be developed to describe the events that occurred just in 2013 that precipitated or aggravated the crisis, while the broader article could follow the ongoing problems? The troubles in Venezuela ( :( ) are just likely to continue (i.e., the articles are likely to get longer still) - it is likely the best strategy is to develop a coordinated set of articles focused on specific and complementary issues so that we are not left with a gigantic article that no one would read. Articles on broader economics, the effects on the oil industry, effects on environment, health and education, pandemic problems, political dysfunction, etc. Venezuela is a uniquely sad situation, the destruction of a beautiful country. I am not likely to be very involved in these articles, however. Bdushaw (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Many thanks for the ping, Ikjbagl. On one hand, there appears to be content that overlaps with both the Crisis in Venezuela article and the Economy of Venezuela articles. On the other one, this article is an opportunity to go into detail of all of the current economic problems. At first sight, what seems clear is that the article needs to be updated. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:07, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping; I am not in favor of a merge. The Crisis in Venezuela article is large, and each crisis should be addressed separately (economic, health, presidential, crime, corruption) etc. By merging them, the article will become unmanageable. Crisis in Venezuela is now at 12,000 words of prose-- well beyond recommended. Perhaps better Summary style is needed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 20 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thanks from me too for the ping, Ikjbagl. I'm not sure whether it's significant enough to warrant its own page, at least as it is now; so Option A seems to be a bit more reasonable as argued by Bdushaw, but I'm not opposed to Option B either, for as pointed out by Jamez42 this article is an opportunity to go into detail of all of the current economic problems. SandyGeorgia also made a good point, too. Either way, I agree that the article needs much improvement. For one, I think we should make a summary of the Origins section rather than just a transcript from Economy of Venezuela and also remove the Economy of Venezuela template which seems to be unnecessary and it would probably be better to have some image or something else to describe the situation rather than simply copy the template, again.--Davide King (talk) 17:06, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Option B sort of --- Merge articles and change title to 2013–present crisis in Venezuela. By removing economic from the title the article can present the crisis as a whole with a substantial amount of article space dedicated to the economic aspect. Articles titled similarly to "Crisis in Venezuela" are always problematic because there is no time frame attached to the title and crises aren't eternal. -- Somedifferentstuff (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose both This articles are so utterly important they need independent sub articles. There is no need to merge. Vallee01 (talk) 14:31, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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